Things I Noticed - 07/01/11

• This may be totally pointless but did anyone else notice how Dushyant listened to everything Raman said up until Vasant was brought up? He silently listened to Raman's accusation against Gulaal - that she'd destroyed his and Kesar's life, but the minute he brought up her "Vasant ko toh woh kha hi chuki hai" and therefore suggesting her being the cause of Vasant's death, that is ALL it took for Dushyant to loose his entire silent stance. His guilt is so massive (as it should be!) that even the slightest suggestion about Vasant and Gulaal in the wrong context, even the slightest disrespect towards either and his anger shoots up ten folds! And on a similar point, ever since that fateful conversation with Gulaal so many years ago (when she tells him she knows everything about him killing Vasant) he's constantly strived to make sure that Motabha's family does not feel Vasant's absence, at least in terms of work/family related issues. He can obviously never fill up the void in their heart left by Vasant's death.. But he tries to make sure that he takes care of them just as much as Vasant would have (tries..).. And it really makes me happy to see a character who has tried to REPENT his mistakes, rather than sulk in his own guilt/misery for years after and possibly turning bitter (as is normally the case with desi shows)..

• Umm.. so Raman's whole spiel about Dushyant returning to the "right path soon" didn't seem very ominous to me.. 😕 I mean it did seem like Raman felt k he had the upper hand in some way (like maybe making sure that Gulaal and Kesar reconcile and thinking that that would probably result in Dushyant to "return" in a fit of jealous rage) but for some reason it didn't seem definite.. It just seemed like he was being his usual lame scheming self.. But that may well be just me.. 😳😆

• Gulaal really does not want to be forced/talked into taking care of Kesar at all (especially from Taali too!).. *sigh* I really can only imagine how it must feel be held in some place against your will and be expected to do things that you would not do otherwise if you had the choice.. *sigh*

• Ooo! Gulaal knew! Lol! Poonam ba would be so disappointed in her daughter-in-law's lack of discretion when she finds out k Gulaal had her pegged from the start. Aur the fact that Gulaal knew, ye toh I understand that Reva had no power over.. But the way she tries to cover up (and I use that term loosely) was almost bizzare! Yaar jhoot bolo toh at least CONVINCINGLY toh bolo! Ye toh formality ka jhoot tha.. Is sey acha toh saaf saaf bol hi deti k yeah Ma send me over.. She gave it all up with the pause-filled-shifty-eyed response anyways.. 😕😆

• And now, coming to the star attraction of today's episode.. Yep, you guess it! It's Kesar's "feed me!" scene.. 😆 I only have one "reason" for why he did what he did - not an excuse or a justification, just a reason - and that is the fact that this onset of unreasonable stubbornness is possibly a symptom of his fever. And this whole theory is based on my OWN prevalent crankiness/unreasonable behavior if and when I get sick. 😳 So based STRICTLY on that "theory", I'm going to go ahead and try and explain what I think happened.. Kesar had looked physically sick/exhausted from the moment he walked up to kitchen and asked for some food. And I believe at that time, he was really just hungry and that is all he wanted - food. He asked Gulaal, because lets face it, he feels closest to her and even though recently he's been trying to hold himself back, I feel that he's lost that deliberation to be "distant" in light of his failing health. He's lost that will power to keep himself in check for the time being.. So he simply asks her for food and when she ignores him, he speaks a little louder (again he isn't in his "tantrum" state yet.. He is just hungry).. But it was after Jamuna-ba's nonsense (about Gulaal bringing him the food directly and what not) that I think Kesar starts to realize k Gulaal is still holding on to her rules of not bringing him food or caring for him - and I feel that to a certain extent he'd though that they'd have called a time out on this stand off for the time that he was sick.. That in his SICKNESS at least she'd be there for him like he was for her.. Also, when he'd asked her to give him his meal right there with her "own hands", I think he meant that she make the plate for him (and as a result show that she really does care about his health even if she doesn't love him or accepts his love for her..). I don't think that ever in that entire drama (in the kitchen and later in the lounge outside) did he mean that Gulaal actually break of pieces and place them in his mouth.. Khair, so then obviously Reva brings him the food and he pops a fuse. And what we see after is really just a totally uninhibited Kesar - what he had been before he'd realized his love for Gulaal and before he'd decided to be a bit more restrained in his approach.. It's like in his sickness he totally lost all sense of control that he had otherwise started to show recently.. His stubbornness, which he normally (and only recently) tried to keep in check around her came out full force again and now it's really just a matter of his stubbornness against hers. And it really makes me shake my head to think k this was such an avoidable issue - had Gulaal just brought him the food (because really, anyone could see that he was sick and bringing ONE plate of food does not a love confession make!) or if would have just let Gulaal's refusal to do so slide (because again, just because she didn't bring him the plate doesn't mean she doesn't care!) this wouldn't have escalated to what it had. And of course, even though I can explain (in my twisted logic) why Kesar did what he did, it does not lessen my desire to smack him silly for doing so! He's a grown man and just because he is "sick" does not give him the right to stomp his foot and throw pointless tantrums.. *sigh* What a mess. Unfortunately, at this time I feel both of them were just being silly and stubborn, although Kesar's behavior clearly tops Gulaal's in terms of silliness.
  

• This may just be a figment of my imagination, but did anyone else notice how Gulaal was neither angry or offended when Kesar asks that she bring him his food or he won't eat? What I saw on her face was concern (for refusing to eat now), worry (for what if he really doesn't eat should she not bring it) and just a little bit of conflict (where she's trying to decide if her own defiance is more important to her than Kesar's health).. And in all this, I predominantly see concern for Kesar displayed on her face. She really did not look angry at all. It was only after Jamuna-ba's lame intervention (seriously! WHAT is this woman's issue?! And where are Paan-ba and Mota-bha?! Beta bahu un k hain aur mirchi inhain lag rahi hai! For someone who's so adamant k HER family and Mota-bha's family are DIFFERENT, she sure has this ridiculous habit of tang-arah-ing in Mota-bha's family's issues!) that Gulaal's defiance and anger took precedence. She is NOT going to be his servant - she is NOT going to feed him just because he's thrown an irrational demand. And she WON'T be forced into it by anyone! And I cheered when she said that. No joke! I did! Because, in love or not, NO ONE should have to do something the don't want to do just because they are "married". *rolls eyes* Although I do feel the need to say k when Kesar was asking Gulaal to bring him food, it wasn't because she was his "wife" - it was because he wanted her to show some care for him.. He wasn't exercising his "husband rights" so to speak.. He was just asking for a little sign of "care" and "concern" from her - he just wanted her to put aside her resilient defiance of him just this once, just for now, for the time being that he's sick.. And even though his methods were absolutely wrong, they were in no way as insulting at Jamuna-ba's suggestion that Gulaal FEED Kesar because he's her husband. I'm sorry, what kind of a pointless argument is that?! Husband hai toh wife ko naukar bana k rakhey ga and that will be justified?! No wonder Gulaal blew a gasket. I would have too! *fumes*
  

• So Kesar's sitting in his room, fuming at what just happened downstairs and I can just see the wheels in his head turning where he is TRYING to justify his behavior to himself after the fact.. And this is why when Reva comes into his room, he just snaps at her and asks her to leave because I feel that at SOME subconscious level (one that is hidden deep under and one he isn't aware of at all) he knows he acted like an idiot and doesn't want to hear about it from anyone else. And that is also why when Reva starts to tell him off he throws out whatever lame reasons he's come up with so far to justify what he's done - "Why don't you make HER understand!", "I'd just asked for food! Was that so bad!" and oh my personal Jamuna-ba inspired "She's my wife! Can't she do this much for me!".. I'm sorry Kesar, I would have believed your "wife" wala excuse if I'd ever seen you exercise your "husband" waley rights on her in general. Sure you did so before the confession where you asked her for food and were happy that she fasted for you, but ever since you'd realized k you loved her (from that night at your almost-wedding with Taali) the ONLY time you've ever "expected" something from Gulaal in lieu of her being your "wife" is when you tried to bring her back to the house.. But even then it was simply because you wanted HER to be happy.. It wasn't because your happiness took precedence over her (at least not intentionally). So really, telling Reva that Gulaal should bring you food because she's your wife was the lamest thing you've ever said. *shakes head* And when Reva leaves him after giving him a piece of her mind, it is no wonder that Kesar doesn't want to pay any attention to him. Filhaal to he just wants to stay angry because if he does so, he won't have to realize what an idiot he's been. Ghussey mein sab jaiz lagta hai, haina Kesar?! *shakes head some more*

• I liked what Reva said to Gulaal in the kitchen - I did.. Because to an outsider looking in, Kesar's behavior was just that ridiculous! So I'm really glad that she's called him on it. I'm glad that she isn't another Jamuna-ba/Sudha who think that it's okay for Kesar to be demanding what he's demanding simply because he's the "husband" (even if that isn't the real case). And I'm glad that she supports Gulaal.. Because even though Gulaal pretends to be strong (she kept up with that straight face until Reva actually touched her where she finally paused long enough to show just how relieved she was at this little display of support) what she's dealing with (the constant family pressure and seemingly unfair demands) is nothing to be dismissed lightly. The suffocation, frustration and helplessness that she feels may very well explain all her unfair comments/actions towards Kesar (just like Kesar's love explains all his sometimes unfair/stubborn actions too). Lol! Seriously, donon hi ziddi hain! *shakes head*

• *flabbergasted muh* I had NEVER thought that Taali would be the smarted one in the lot! For someone who was SO dense in her own time that she couldn't even see that Kesar didn't lover her, she has turned out to be quite a perceptive individual.. I love how she just disregards Kesar's "angry sulking mode" shuru sey hi and just drags him to the mandir - because after all when Kesar thinks k he's doing something that's good for Gulaal, he doesn't wait around for her permission either! And then how she creates that situation where Kesar ends up saying the exact same things that he will later realize are what Gulaal has been saying too - that this is wrong, that there isn't anything wrong with her (or in Gulaal's case him!), that this cannot happen (in his mind!), that he cannot understand what's going on with her because he expects her to understand the situation based on all that she knows of him (just like Gulaal had expected of him - to understand that she "loves" Vasant and his memories and her own chosen bland life style..) and FINALLY cornering him with the death-thread-based ultimatum (just like he had with Gulaal with his whole "main khana nahi khaonga" and I'll sleep in the rain till I get sick nonsense)! OMG Taali jee! Just for this one thing, I am willing to give you another chance to grow a brain when it comes to Kesar and stop crying over him incessantly like a victim! Just because of this you have finally gotten the chance to redeem yourself in my eyes.. 😆

• And about the precap.. I have no speculations.. I don't know k kal kya hoga.. But I do know that whatever happens - whether the deeyarvatu breaks or not - the Gulaal-Kesar dynamic is about to shift! This is the jolt that was needed to shift the stalemate - to break their stubborn stand off.. Someone HAD to back off and this time it's Kesar.. Which now leaves Gulaal to step up to plate and figure out what to do next.. *excited muh*

Originally posted by: nureat01

You so justify the title of the thread, Fivr...the fact that you had to take a break to mull over this stuff and then come back to put down all you noticed😆

Now that I've had a day or two to digest the epi as well, there are some things I too can see better in hindsight...Kesar's tantrum...the highlight of the epi so to speak...LOL...yes the only reasoning that can be applied is that being ill, having that fever had him in a cranky state anyways...Gulaal made it all the worse with how she handled it...these two *shakes head* lol...it's very hard to really come down to it and describe how they lock horns and refuse to budge an inch either way...like you summed it up in one line earlier...HE insists on her bringing the food BECAUSE that's his way of wanting to know if she cares and SHE refuses to bring it for PRECISELY that reason...just cuz HE asked for it😆...Kesar is the more honest of the two when it comes to his feelings but they BOTH know that she DOES care...this is her basically putting on her OWN tantrum in a sense...except that her tantrum doesn't involve the kind of petulance that Kesar showed...but it was a tantrum nevertheless...if she was REALLY handling this MATURELY she could handle it in a much better manner...but she has her own ego issues, her own vulnerabilities to battle...and when it comes to Kesar especially, the ego issues take a whole another level...lol

She did look shocked when he refused to eat or drink unless she gave him the food...there was something shifting in her eyes there but then the walls went back up and she stuck to her ground...refusing to budge an inch as Kesar's zidd grew...by the end of it it always comes down to a clash of wills...sorry by this time toh it's a WAR of wills😆


The Reva-Gulaal scene was interesting too and yes I too in that moment felt that Reva was right in her support of Gulaal...but what Gulaal said in response was almost cryptic/enigmatic in a sense and it's hard to fully get a handle on WHAT Gulaal is REALLY thinking...yes she's feeling suffocated, hating the pressures being put on her...so she's becoming mutinous in response in many ways...honestly her even refusing to REPLY to Kesar asking for food DOES show how petty Gulaal is acting...


The Talli-Kesar scene...LOL yeah Talli's approach is superb...she's hitting all the right notes to make Kesar think...I'm looking forward to watching the rest of this scene play out tomorrow...and then ofcourse the outcome of the precap which no one can really predict...but yeah big drama coming up next week for sure...lol

Originally posted by: -Fivr-

Donon hi bachey hain.. Does anyone still wonder why they fit so well with each other? Age chahey kuch bhi ho, maturity level toh wohi hai na over all especially when it comes to each other. Na Gulaal Kesar sey ziada mature act karti hai aur na Kesar Gulaal sey ziada childish hai apney behavior mein. They are both two peas in a pod really where Gulaal's over all maturity and Kesar's over all logical thinking ends up compensating for their combined short comings.

Originally posted by: nureat01

Awesome points, Fivr! Especially love the last one👏😆...you know that's the best part about these two characters especially...how they are BOTH so flawed...BOTH of them have their shortcomings...which make them so human and fascinating to watch even as those very flaws/traits make them clash again and again...but seriously like you said...somewhere they both compensate for their combined shortcomings😆...made for each other, indeed! haha...isn't that what the whole concept of love is about anyways?? Two imperfect ppl ... but somehow their imperfections are what make them perfect TOGETHER...that is what Kesar-Gulaal are...

Exactly! No one's perfect here - as much as Gulaal would like to argue that she does what she does for the greater good and what not, even she has to accept the fact that sometimes her need to decide what's best for EVERYONE ends up depriving THEM of their RIGHT to choose! And similarly Kesar needs to understand that while he may speak logic from time to time, the fact that other people don't yet understand it doesn't allow him to throw irrational fits in return.. Seriously, like you said "made for each other".. Aur koi inhain bardasht bhi nahi kar sakta, ye donon khud hi ko bardasht kar lete hain wohi ghaneemat hai.. 😆

And you know going back to the beginnings of their bond again...it was true then, it's true now...Gulaal gives up all 'level-headedness/maturity' when it really comes to Kesar...I mean I was SO amused in the kitchen scene when she tells Reva that she refuses to be a puppet dancing to Kesar's unreasonable demands...but honestly the real issue is that this is KESAR saying so...that it's KESAR involved cuz of which her back goes up and she too acts up in her own way...no matter what front she wants to put up of holding on to her own will and dignity.

Lol! Exactly! Warna "unreasonable demands" toh pehley bhi hui hain aur bauhat logon ne ki hain, with the most defining one being Dushyant lust-filled murder of Vasant.. And the more recent and not so drastic one being Sudha's lame demands that Gulaal stay out of the kitchen while she's there (because obviously jab tak Sudha maharani kaam kar rahi hongi, Gulaal ya kisi aur ko toh koi kaam nahi hoga na..).. But in both those instances Gulaal has let it slide (maybe not forgiven both behaviors but definitely turned the other cheek or just let it slide for the "greater good").. It is only in Kesar's case that the oh-so-important "greater good" goes out the window and her own stubborn defiance take precedence. Because technically in an attempt to maintain the "family peace" Gulaal could have just worked around Kesar too.. She could have just put her foot down to his really unreasonable demands (ones that he would never make) should he ever ask her to do something totally ridiculous all for the sake of their marraige. But agar sirf khana deney ya achey sey baat karney ki hi baat thie, toh really Kesar hasn't done anything that's (rationally seeing) worst than what Dushyant did and Dushyant still gets to be greeted/spoken to in a civil manner. It really is the fact k it's KESAR doing this other than it being "what" he's doing, that's throwing her off.. They seriously remind me of kids on a play ground - when the other older people or people that they aren't as "close" with throw a fit, they back down and work around it.. But jab aik dosre ki baat hoti hai wohi "tu seer toh mein sava-seer" shuru ho jata hai.. 😆

I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing Gulaal's expression in response to Kesar announcing that he wants to break the deeyarvattu...that should be worth a million bucks😆😆...she's most definitely going to be thinking that Kesar went to complain again...that's what JK had said to her earlier too in the scene when Kesar threw the tantrum...but once again, Kesar will throw off Gulaal just when she thinks she has everything figured out😆...she's got that mutinous expression on her face locked in again but that one statement of his will throw her off balance...hahaha

This COMPLAIN issue is a major grudge she holds against Kesar...ever since THAT, she just retreated FURTHER into her shell...so whatever the outcome of the panchayat scene this time, this complaint grudge should start to fade away with time...

LMAO! Oh man! Me too! She thinks she has this all figured out and honestly maybe in this stalemate she's had the upper hand by denying him any kind word. But in the end, Kesar's going to win this round because he's just going to terminate the situation entirely. Toh ab Gulaal kya karey gi? Ab kis muh sey she's going to maintain her "I won't give into unreasonable demands" wala logic? Since now Kesar's given up on ANY remotely (what she considers as) "unreasonable demands".. *smirks* I so cannot wait for tomorrow! In fact I may actually wake up early on a holiday just to catch the episode/updates as it airs.. 😆

Originally posted by: -Fivr-

Aur koi inhain bardasht bhi nahi kar sakta, ye donon khud hi ko bardasht kar lete hain wohi ghaneemat hai.. 😆 LMAOOO worddd, Fivr WORD🤣 Aur koi SACH mein inhein bardaasht nahin kar paayega...bas yehi dono ek dusre ko bardaasht kar sakte hain chaahe waise jitna marzi phaste rahein😆😆

They seriously remind me of kids on a play ground - when the other older people or people that they aren't as "close" with throw a fit, they back down and work around it.. But jab aik dosre ki baat hoti hai wohi "tu seer toh mein sava-seer" shuru ho jata hai.. 😆 Bingo! That's EXACTLY how it is in a sense...it oddly becomes a game of one-upmanship...ego battles...and not even in any VINDICTIVE sense...there's just that hint of challenge in their relationship always...they challenge each other in interesting ways and refuse to back down...they push and pull and prod at each other and it's almost a deadlock until you wait to see who backs down THIS time...it's like an epic battle EACH time😆


LMAO! Oh man! Me too! She thinks she has this all figured out and honestly maybe in this stalemate she's had the upper hand by denying him any kind word. But in the end, Kesar's going to win this round because he's just going to terminate the situation entirely. Toh ab Gulaal kya karey gi? Ab kis muh sey she's going to maintain her "I won't give into unreasonable demands" wala logic? Since now Kesar's given up on ANY remotely (what she considers as) "unreasonable demands".. *smirks* I so cannot wait for tomorrow! In fact I may actually wake up early on a holiday just to catch the episode/updates as it airs.. 😆 LOL yes Kesar is deffo going to win this round and Gulaal will be FORCED to re-think, re-consider...although I guess I shouldn't get too optimistic...she can find new ways to hold on to her khunnas...you never really know with this woman just like you never really know with Kesar😆...but her shocked expression is guaranteed! That I'm going to watch with relish...popcorn tayyar hai!😆

Originally posted by: -Fivr-

Also, when he'd asked her to give him his meal right there with her "own hands", I think he meant that she make the plate for him (and as a result show that she really does care about his health even if she doesn't love him or accepts his love for her..). I don't think that ever in that entire drama (in the kitchen and later in the lounge outside) did he mean that Gulaal actually break of pieces and place them in his mouth..

Originally posted by: likarsh

I'd been wondering about this too. I really suspected this might be the case from the words I understood, but everyone wrote about it as a request to feed him. So I thought it was probably specific, and I was missing the meaning.

Originally posted by: likarsh

Ahh, okay. Thanks for the clarification. It helps a lot. 😊