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Posted: 14 years ago
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@blueberry_07 (sorry don't know your name)

You're so right, after going through what he is, Kesar will grow up no doubt, then we will see him fight the battle trying to get Gulaal to accept him as an adult.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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First off, lovtv - excellent post. You are right on with your comment about Kesar - he is a kid, acted like a kid, wants Gulaal like a kid, loves like a kid, wins his trophy like a kid. He is a KID and nothing more. My heart goes out to him to see him so sad bechara and misunderstood by all, especially by Gulaal, but at the end of the day, I feel for him partly because he is a kid and partly because he is so cute!
With all emotions aside, 22 is old enough to understand the meaning of a relationship. The fact that he did not understand Gulaal's emotions and rationale for rejection is disturbing. Yes, he was sent to a boarding school, big deal! He was not kept in a dungeon that he failed to grow up.
Yesterday's episode finally made me happy as I was really struggling with the romantic angle between Kesar and Gulaal. I am however saddened by the fact that the TRP went down because of this angle. I think the CVs are brilliant for showing the reality of things. If it were any other show, Gulaal would fall for Kesar and have their romance. But in this show, this issue was handled very realistically and very tactfully. Even Kesar understands that there cannot be romance between them, at least not yet, the Chhee was just brilliant and that's what I tried to say months ago. I just could not see them in a romantic setup.
I think it would be a lot nicer if they can show how both Kesar and Gulaal use their void in life to fill each other's void. They can easily show this friendship and bond that was menat to be from the very beginning. Their relationship has always been a special one - one of love, care, concern, trust - does that need to be tarnished by introducing romance to it? Probably not.
I know 95% of the forum members will disagree with me - especially all the Kes-Gul fans, but honestly Gulaal's personality is mind blowing and unless Kesar gets strong enough, she will always crush him emotionally. I do BELIEVE that Kesar is not ready or fit for Gulaal in his current form.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: rakni

First off, lovtv - excellent post. You are right on with your comment about Kesar - he is a kid, acted like a kid, wants Gulaal like a kid, loves like a kid, wins his trophy like a kid. He is a KID and nothing more. My heart goes out to him to see him so sad bechara and misunderstood by all, especially by Gulaal, but at the end of the day, I feel for him partly because he is a kid and partly because he is so cute!

With all emotions aside, 22 is old enough to understand the meaning of a relationship. The fact that he did not understand Gulaal's emotions and rationale for rejection is disturbing. Yes, he was sent to a boarding school, big deal! He was not kept in a dungeon that he failed to grow up.
Yesterday's episode finally made me happy as I was really struggling with the romantic angle between Kesar and Gulaal. I am however saddened by the fact that the TRP went down because of this angle. I think the CVs are brilliant for showing the reality of things. If it were any other show, Gulaal would fall for Kesar and have their romance. But in this show, this issue was handled very realistically and very tactfully. Even Kesar understands that there cannot be romance between them, at least not yet, the Chhee was just brilliant and that's what I tried to say months ago. I just could not see them in a romantic setup.
I think it would be a lot nicer if they can show how both Kesar and Gulaal use their void in life to fill each other's void. They can easily show this friendship and bond that was menat to be from the very beginning. Their relationship has always been a special one - one of love, care, concern, trust - does that need to be tarnished by introducing romance to it? Probably not.
I know 95% of the forum members will disagree with me - especially all the Kes-Gul fans, but honestly Gulaal's personality is mind blowing and unless Kesar gets strong enough, she will always crush him emotionally. I do BELIEVE that Kesar is not ready or fit for Gulaal in his current form.

haha! I myself is a big fan of kes-gul and want to see them together as a couple and as i want to see them as a couple then romance would automatically be followed after that. Although i some what agree with you that kesar still needs to understand how he should follow his heart, he is mostly brainwashed by other people in the house which turning him into taking wrong decisions. He is 22 and he completely understands what love means, as we see him not forcing gulaal into an intimate relationship because he himself havent feel anything about it, he only wants her to be close to him and that shows what unconditional love he has for gulaal... But i disagree on the fact you said that they could share a friendship relationship for the rest of their life that has love, care and respect...We alll knew that they were always meant to be together from the begiining. And every relationship that they has shared so far is unique. But that has developed through time. They hated eachother at first, they became friends and shared a true and strong bond and then they became husband and wife but their love for that relationship is still lacking. And i am not saying that it should happen right away. Its clear that it would take time, but the track that has shown today for gulala staying at kesar's room, is some what an indication that may be from now on, they will experience their feelings when they are together not necessarily physically close. But cv's creating that angle between them was right because thats how the story would move on. They stil need to show the realization of gulaal and how she comes out of her own unreal life that she has trapped within herself...i am happy that the new track that they want to show would be amazing because we would see kesar's gaining his maturity in terms of presenting himself infront of gulaal and not necessarily forcing her. Its going to be intresting to watch so many undeveloped feelings being developed one after the other. Kes-gul rocks! 😃
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: lovtv

I just watched yesterday day's confrontation between Gulaal and Kesar this morning and had to write about them. On an acting front both actors deserve 10/10 for that scene. The emotions, facial expressions, music, dialogues and the delivery of the dialogues etc were all exquisitely written and delivered by both. Enough said.

My topic is about Kesar and his immaturity.

The scene revealed that even though Kesar now looks like a man, underneath it all he is still a little boy who hasn't grown up emotionally. Like a child he threw a tantrum when Gulaal left the house. He cried, he begged, he manipulated, he tried to use every arsenal at his disposal to get Gulaal to come back. When that failed he allowed Raman to mislead him and went to the punchayat to force Gulaal to come back.

When she comes back and offers him when she thinks he wants he is totally taken aback. What are you doing in my room? Of course I didn't want "that"!!! I don't want to live "with" you just be "near" you. While Gulaal has been shown to give this situation a lot of thought Kesar has just reacted. He said he considers Gulaal his wife but he hasn't thought about exactly what that means and what he wants from the relationship. He still thinks of her as his possession...his love, his thoughts are those of a child. Maybe the early marriage has never allowed him to think beyond a child.

Kesar may love Gulaal but that love is still very childlike, immature. He still thinks of Gulaal from a child's view. He probably knows everything about her likes and dislikes but he doesn't know her as a woman. Her grief, her sadness, her maturity, her loneliness. He sees it but I don't think he quiet gets it at the deep fundamental level.

Yesterday's scene was a wake up call for Kesar and almost a cleanse for Gulaal. Those tears and her collapsing yesterday seemed somewhat therapeutic. If leaving the house was closure for Vasant...yesterday's tears and confrontation were her first step towards Kesar.

Kesar has a lot of growing up to do before he is ready to love and accept Gulaal and his marriage to her as an adult with everything it entails. On the other hand Gulaal has to still let go of Vasant and see Kesar as an adult.

As wonderful as yesterday was it was a revelation to us as a viewers how far apart they still are. It also gave me new respect for the CVs of Gulaal and trust that they will give us a wonderful ride as we see Gulaal and Kesar become GULSAR!!!!!

-Shelly

Shelly, I like your observations regarding Kesar's "love" for Gulaal. I quote the term because I find what is depicted is not love but an obsession which has no rationale. Gulaal is a widow and if people wish to argue that this marriage was done to protect Kesar, then for Gulaal this was not a marriage in the actual sense (let us leave aside what I actually think of the whole situation), and now Kesar is older and able to take care of himself, she should be allowed to relinquish this job of protecting him.
Unfortunately, this has not happened because the writers want to create a story of a young boy 'in love" with his sister-in-law/"wife." I use the term "wife" in quotes as technically a 12 year old cannot give consent to marriage and it is in fact illegal (I believe even now in India although the law is not enforced - too costly). So, how does the writer have Kesar show this "love" but through an "obsession." Some people will excuse this behavior as acceptable because a) this is a first love and b) he is young. The fact is that this is not "love" but an obsession and highly inappropriate, wrong, and disrespectful. Has the writer never heard of the term, if you love someone you set them free and if they come back they are yours and if they don't - respect their decision???
The panchayat (made up of old and middle aged men - no females) have sided with Kesar and reversed the tables forcing Gulaal into a marriage she does not consent too. I find this VERY wrong. Kesar does not know what he wants and until he does, Gulaal should not be forced to remain in this marriage with a mad child.
I would have clicked like to this post except for your last two paragraphs where you ask that Gulaal give up on Vasaant's love because she is in this "marriage" with Kesar and accept his "adult love" which he has failed to demonstrate and even if he did, she does not have to agree to it just because she married him to protect him. And, as I have already mentioned I have found the whole concept rather gross of GULSAR.
Edited by Laila2009 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Laila - you just love to push buttons LOL. You would again see an outpour of anger over this - too funny. 😉
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: rakni

@Laila - you just love to push buttons LOL. You would again see an outpour of anger over this - too funny. 😉

You're welcome. Glad you're entertained. Hey, it is great to have discussions - makes us think and makes this place exciting 😉😛
Edited by Laila2009 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: rakni

First off, lovtv - excellent post. You are right on with your comment about Kesar - he is a kid, acted like a kid, wants Gulaal like a kid, loves like a kid, wins his trophy like a kid. He is a KID and nothing more. My heart goes out to him to see him so sad bechara and misunderstood by all, especially by Gulaal, but at the end of the day, I feel for him partly because he is a kid and partly because he is so cute!

With all emotions aside, 22 is old enough to understand the meaning of a relationship. The fact that he did not understand Gulaal's emotions and rationale for rejection is disturbing. Yes, he was sent to a boarding school, big deal! He was not kept in a dungeon that he failed to grow up.
Yesterday's episode finally made me happy as I was really struggling with the romantic angle between Kesar and Gulaal. I am however saddened by the fact that the TRP went down because of this angle. I think the CVs are brilliant for showing the reality of things. If it were any other show, Gulaal would fall for Kesar and have their romance. But in this show, this issue was handled very realistically and very tactfully. Even Kesar understands that there cannot be romance between them, at least not yet, the Chhee was just brilliant and that's what I tried to say months ago. I just could not see them in a romantic setup.
I think it would be a lot nicer if they can show how both Kesar and Gulaal use their void in life to fill each other's void. They can easily show this friendship and bond that was menat to be from the very beginning. Their relationship has always been a special one - one of love, care, concern, trust - does that need to be tarnished by introducing romance to it? Probably not.
I know 95% of the forum members will disagree with me - especially all the Kes-Gul fans, but honestly Gulaal's personality is mind blowing and unless Kesar gets strong enough, she will always crush him emotionally. I do BELIEVE that Kesar is not ready or fit for Gulaal in his current form.

I like a lot of your comments and agree with many of your observations. Had the writers really wanted to handle this story properly, the would have had Kesar NOT want to be Gulaal and marry Tali but both leads are forced into this marriage. Over time, because they are forced into this mess, then perhaps a romance can develop and it would at least be acceptable, but this is really outrageously over-the-top and ghastly. The idea I presnet is not new, but how the story was first handled in the Punjabi film in the 1970s - Mutti Bhar Chawal. Here the two characters were older, the husband was murdered and his widow was forced to marry her brother who was betrothed to another woman he loved because there would not be anyone to take care of his nieces and nephews. The story was set in a rural village and at a time when this practice might be tolerated or at least understood as a practical solution for a family. The idea of romance was not even thought of when the two are forced into this arrangement but for the economic welfare of the widow and the children.
Although personally speaking from persective the whole idea of a woman marrying her brother-in-law is kind of gross - I mean, you're telling me with a bilion to trillion people in the world, these two can't find anyone else with whom to fall in love? 😕
Edited by Laila2009 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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yep he is a child at heart and thats what makes him special, he makes mistake,admits and repents. his humane nature makes him lovable:)

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Posted: 14 years ago
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COPY PASTING from another post of mine!!!

Kesar is not IMMATURE...he is just BITTER!!!
*Pallo takes in deep breaths*
He was sent away to a boarding skool...away from his dearest ones...he has tossed and turned in his sleep for 10 years thinking the Gulaal, whom he had worshiped had wronged Vasanth Bha!
He comes back and feels that pull towards Gulaal...wants to snap it off coz he believes her to be wrong...
He confronts her about it...
She firmly says that she did it all for "GREATER GOOD" (Ewww...I hate the word!)
He feels his resentment has exhausted...and only his undiscovered love remains...

And when he wants to go back to that "SPECIAL-BOND" he shared with Gulaal...whr he didn't have to share her with anyone else...we call him immature!!!
Nah! Its just his "ache" to make up for the lost tym...

And his stay in the boarding skool has molded most of him...He is independent...He can handle himself...He isn't afraid to say what he wants...and he questions openly... (and never receives answers! Wich gets frustrating!)

NEIL enacts this KESAR unbelievably well!

To most of us people it seem that he is very immature...but it isn't...Its just his attempt to have things back as they were...

And if neone feels dat his love is still like a "12yr" old's...THEN...I've HEARD SUMWHR...Dat a CHILDLIKE (READ CAREFULLY: Child like...not Child's) LOVE IS THE MOST PURE AND UNSULLIED! Its the highest form of love ever!!!

(Excuse me!!! Am not saying he loves Gulaal like his mom...*Puke* Am just saying that while his love is innocent and pure...I wonder why ppl mistake it for IMMATURITY?)

*Pallo drumming her fingers on the table*
*I'm eagerly waiting for him to unleash his passion*

So I just hope ppl quit calling KESAR immature...
VOLUNTARY INNOCENCE and IMMATURITY ain't synonyms according to me!


(And yeah...neone having ne questions abt Kesar's character development in his boarding skool...CONTACT ME! I've outdone Kesar in da boarding skool arena...I have a straight 12 years in ma pouch...He missed by two years!! So yeah...😛)


PS- No rudeness or offense intended. Its just the "FANGURL" in me defending ma Kesuda...🤗
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Pallo, no offense taken...all the views here are views and as long as they are expressed respectfully then they have every right to be expressed and welcomed.

I have no doubt that Kesar loves her. He loves her whole heartedly. However, the way he expresses it is immature. The pagalpan, the ziddi pan and trying to make things the way they were are all signs of immaturity. As a mature older woman I hate having my choices taken away and being forced to do things I am not ready for... So I totally get what Gulaal's perceptive.

All that being said once he smartens up and thinks before acting or reacting he is going to become a force to be recon with and Gulaal will not be able to resist. I know mature Kesar and Gulaal's love story is going to be legendary!

I can't wait to see their story progress. Even the transformation of Kesar from boy to man is going to be amazing to watch. His intensity once channeled properly ...*takes a deep breath* Just the thought of it gives me heart palpitations!!

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