Neil's expressive best:Three women in Kesar's life - Page 2

Originally posted by: nureat01

LOL...little taste to share in common? I presume she has no interest in Gulaal then, correct?😆
Oh I tried selling the idea to her, she rolled eyes 😳 So I told her she could be happy with DMG and the likes, and she rolled eyes again 😆 I think she's gone on some kind of sworn off Indian TV mode these days, and can't stop talking about how much she wants to see Rishta make a comeback. And people preach about letting bygones be bygones 😆

Anyway - you ask the exact question that needs asking at this point, like you nail it!

I do wonder though...what would be the best way to get to Gulaal??

I try to think about the same, and there is no one step answer to this. Thing is, whether she sound evasive or not, inside of her head she knows exactly why she can't accept Kesar. And it is not about age, not about being a widow, not even about Kesar being Vasant's brother - but all about never having let go of Vasant. He was, and continues to be the only man in her life, and she can't even begin to imagine sharing, forget replacing, that place in her life. Kesar in being all that he is - her ward, her deeyarvatu hubby, her unofficial devar, and much younger - may add many dimensions to the problem, but at the base of it all is that one simple matter.

And there, your question becomes rather hard to answer. What should be done to let Gulaal come around to accepting him? Personally I think I'm very impressed with the precap showing her own father knocking sense into her in Gulaal tongue -or simply the language she understands. The only way she will even give the matter a chance is if she's convinced this is part of her moral obligation to what she had with that house, and in turn with her husband Vasant. That is, as an ode to completing the unfulfilled responsibility. Therein perhaps, while living through the newly established relation as a duty, she will probably come around - Kesar will have his role to play of course, as will others - to the point that she can finally understand that he is not in his wildest dreams thinking of his love for her as a wife as anything to replace Vasant or his place. That's the thing. While Gulaal can only be mortally offended by Kesar even thinking this way, Kesar himself has just grown up with the ideology, and it has nothing to do with changing what Vasant and Gul had, but only with what he and Gul have, and can have - and sooner or later she will see it. Its the precise reason his love is not even remotely a paap for him, as it morbidly is for Gulaal.

phewww! long reply - don't sleep yet Nur 😆

Originally posted by: nureat01

Lovely analysis once again! Thanks

Today's epi totally belonged to Kesar through and through and Neil was fantastic in all his scenes with the three women in his life...

I absolutely loved his scene with Paanbaa...especially the way he took her hands softly and said he wants her opinion as a woman, not as a mother...and the way he calmly laid out the logic of the situation...why indeed is it a sin?? He put forth every possible question ppl/society could raise but clearly it does not make sense to call this a sin...which is why Paanbaa didn't have an answer either...but I did agree with her point about how the relationship b/w Kesar and Gulaal has become such a puzzle for everyone around them...they obviously don't have the answers to anything either. And Paanbaa's point about Talli was valid too...she did become an unwitting victim in this turmoil b/w K and G.

Finding a solution to Talli's problem will have to be the first step for Kesar because Gulaal feels Talli is her responsibility.


Secondly, the scene with Talli...Kesar was fantastic...everything he talked about...how he admitted his mistake once again...and talked of his own misfortune that it took him so long to understand his love...and had barely started to have that feeling sink in when his love left him...his entire monologue was very good but Talli's reaction made no sense and was extremely random...the one scene that really stuck out like a sore thumb in the epi and seemed very fragmented...I don't get the purpose of it :S

I did not expect much from her either. She was so lost in her own grief. He sought out a friend in her. She did not even qualify in being a friend to him, let alone becoming wife.

Thirdly and finally...the most important woman in his life...Her Royal Highness Gulaal...lol...the way he approached her today was just what was needed...the calm logic was back...I totally agree with you on this point being the most important question:

[quote]The most significant dialogue was Kesar questioning who decides to declare it as sin, the one who makes a mistake and announces the punishment or the one who did not commit a mistake but was suffering for no reason. It was partly an eye-opener to her when he asked why couldn't he love her being Vasant's younger brother when in fact she had utilized that same relation (as an escape) to go through Deeyarvatu.[/quote]

Indeed...WHO decides what to declare a sin?? When it suited Gulaal, she used the deeyarvattu for her own means...and now she is the one announcing the punishment for Kesar...who never committed any mistake and was an innocent victim to begin with...How can it be right to do this deeyarvattu to begin with and then conveniently forget it's very meaning? To label it as SIN when it suits YOU, Gulaal...but otherwise it's all good? Kesar held up a mirror for her today.

She took it to the court too and when it did not rule in her favor, she refuses to comply

Now I don't know if she'll answer him or just brush him aside as usual...but I saw quite an agitated Gulaal today...her repeating that no one can take Vasant's place shows that that is her biggest problem...that she perceives THAT to be a sin...Kesar needs to clarify to her that he is not taking Vasant's place...he is making his own.

There is enough room in ones heart to seek a new life, love another (Kesar) without letting go off the wonderful memories of Vasant. Kesar is aware of it too.

Her father said it best when he told her mother...we all know how ziddi Gulaal is...she won't budge...and at the same time, we all know Kesar...he WILL come to take her back home...and that is exactly what happened😆

That was expected, come what may.

Originally posted by: JZephyr

Excellent post Mey Simi 👏

You say it all. I really like how Gulaal as a show balances between expected and unexpected in such a precise manner.

Expected: Kesar's breakdown, and eventual attempt to get Gulaal back.

Unexpected: Kesar actually being logical in his very befuddled state, to the extent that he sets out to clarify his front with all the three women you name. It's a different matter that all three find their ways of rendering his effort mostly futile, but by himself, Kesar truly wants answers, wants to understand why and what is so wrong, and genuinely fix it too - whatever the means and ends. He obviously can't understand his fault, and he seeks it at every corner, without making himself a sorry figure (even when he breaks in his mother's lap) and in many ways his emergence from this rude twist of faith is very promising, and pleasantly unexpected so soon!

xx

JZee

Originally posted by: JZephyr

I do wonder though...what would be the best way to get to Gulaal??

I try to think about the same, and there is no one step answer to this. Thing is, whether she sound evasive or not, inside of her head she knows exactly why she can't accept Kesar. And it is not about age, not about being a widow, not even about Kesar being Vasant's brother - but all about never having let go of Vasant. He was, and continues to be the only man in her life, and she can't even begin to imagine sharing, forget replacing, that place in her life. Kesar in being all that he is - her ward, her deeyarvatu hubby, her unofficial devar, and much younger - may add many dimensions to the problem, but at the base of it all is that one simple matter. Perfectly summed up...her refusal to let go of Vasant is indeed at the base of everything...no matter what other way she may want to dress it up...Kesar being younger than her (not much actually...I think they only have a 7-8 year gap...Gulaal was around 19 when she married Vasant...Kesar was 12)...or more to do with the fact that she has viewed Kesar as her ward, a child...all of these are surface issues...at the core of everything is Vasant...she has drawn strength from clinging on to Vasant's memories, his promises...her responsibilities to those promises...to even consider replacing/sharing that space with another man to her seems like taking away her very existence...hence a sin.

And there, your question becomes rather hard to answer. What should be done to let Gulaal come around to accepting him? Personally I think I'm very impressed with the precap showing her own father knocking sense into her in Gulaal tongue -or simply the language she understands. The only way she will even give the matter a chance is if she's convinced this is part of her moral obligation to what she had with that house, and in turn with her husband Vasant. That is, as an ode to completing the unfulfilled responsibility. Therein perhaps, while living through the newly established relation as a duty, she will probably come around I agree...they have to put a moral obligation stamp on in connection to her promises to Vasant and his family and that could be a start...a start to atleast make her give the matter a chance...cuz that is what they need at this point...some point to start with.


- Kesar will have his role to play of course, as will others - to the point that she can finally understand that he is not in his wildest dreams thinking of his love for her as a wife as anything to replace Vasant or his place. That's the thing. While Gulaal can only be mortally offended by Kesar even thinking this way, Kesar himself has just grown up with the ideology, and it has nothing to do with changing what Vasant and Gul had, but only with what he and Gul have, and can have - and sooner or later she will see it. Its the precise reason his love is not even remotely a paap for him, as it morbidly is for Gulaal. Exactly...I do feel the crux of this issue in some ways is Gulaal's refusal to fully recognize or even start to closely observe what her and Kesar have...there is already something there that she has blocked out willingly for a while...maybe since she equates it to "betraying" Vasant, the only man in her life as she sees it...and she is hell ziddi as we all know...so Kesar definitely has to work at making her see that...recognize that...that they both do share something very special...and it is not just her love for him via transference as "Vasant's sapna"...it is something special in it's own way...

I do find it amazing how matter of fact Kesar is, haina? One of the things that's so interesting about his character...he views things in black and white...he can simplify the most complex of issues sometimes...sometimes that is all that's needed because otherwise everyone else can get entangled in overcomplicating an issue...Kesar reaches to the core and unties the one crucial knot...😆...not that I'm saying he has the best approach...he could use more prudence sometimes...but I do love his straightforward approach in general...

phewww! long reply - don't sleep yet Nur 😆

Originally posted by: nureat01

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

@MeySimi: *snap* on the topic. You said it better than I did! ❤️

Regarding Gulaal, I agree with Nureat01 and JZephyr. She is already drowned in guilt for disappointing Sudha and Talli. She can't look MotaBa in the eye because his warning which she royally ignored 10 years came back as a big bang. I don't think she feels great about herself at all but most of all her guilt is centred around Vasant. She is so stuck in his memories and promises that to even think of any other man in his place is a sin. Gulaal has almost programmed herself to stay this way! She has decided to stay as Vasant's widow for the rest of the life come what may.

What makes her run away? Of course the whole situation is too overwhelming for her but she has stayed under the same roof knowing Dushyant loves her too. That didn't make her run away which is why I feel that subconsciously (that's the word for Gulaal because on surface she will not budge) she knows that her and Kesar share something special. She is already extremely attached to Kesar anyway, the love is there but as I said, she has monitored herself to stay as Vasant's widow and in the process she has also killed her own desires.