Mental illness theory (Read at the risk of getting disappointed) - Page 11

Pehle Virat milega Sai ko. Ye hafte milenge. Intezaar hai ki kya hoga. Earthquake! 😆

This mental illness theory also cant really "redeem" V perse.... No doctor can ask someone to get fake/real married and have a fake happy family with a person just for their mental health. Him playing mahaan by marrying PP for her health which has not improved even after 5-6 years is a little too OTT. But they really need to up the quota of his angst and "love" when he meets Sai.... They have barely given us any scenes of him grieving. Why has he not remembered his last words to Sai yet....when Sai V meet, if he does angry young man stunts and gets mad at Sai then why should Sai return to him. As it is she's been cheated on- maybe not sexually but PP has the status of Vs wife. So Sai has been cheated. Uparseh ab angst or passion bhi nahi mila toh what is left.... The least they can show is have him beg Sai to understand his "majboori" and give him "time" to fix things. If on the contrary he decides to snatch Savi, alienate Sai , and feel like his zimmedari towards pp is bigger then Sai should file a case against him for bigamy, harassment , divorce and also to get sole custody of Savi.

I know deep down that Sai V are gonna reconcile because the audience is never gonna accept V-PP, but i dont want it to be flimsy grounds like "kids"and ke liye and entirely rushed like remarriage time when literally no conversation happened about how he behaved during Shruri track.. he never even apologized properly and only Sai had to assume all responsibility.

This time if they make Sai go into self guilt, self blame mode then it will really suck. This time she needs to make V apologize. What he did before leap was wrong and what he did after has also been wrong. He has phelaoed raita in such huge amounts and over such a large surface area that its unparalleled....

He made pp surrogate , he tolerated her tantrums, he snatched the baby, he failed to investigate the case, he brought pp back and he said really terrible things to Sai. Sai tolerated a lot because of him and because it was for their baby. And now again he didn't search hard enough for Sai, he assumed her dead, he has decided to enter into a samjhauta relationship with PP and he is referring to her as "mumma" to his son. So they are parents. He has given Sai's place to another woman. His majboori are always flimsy and impulsive. So all the deeds are V's own bad choices. It's time he takes responsibility instead of blaming Sai.

Brilliant one Sadhika!!!!

What an intricate eye for details and for delving into a different perspective. Just loved it ❤️

I had skipped a few episodes except Sat and was only reading the updates and the precap. With work life so hectic and stressful, didn’t want to risk any mental bandwidth. But I went back to watch the episodes post your reading this and with a different perspective, which made it bearable. And all the scenes seemed so aligned when I watched with your outlook.

But is Vankar capable of pulling such a deep plot? If he can, then a fab job has been done all aspects and handling that split personality. If he can't......why are you not board instead of him????

Your perspectives rise from studying Virat's character, mine comes from the Karma cycle. While I may have asked you for the answers for some gaps in a normal scenario, but this one struck me, and I so want this to happen that I got down to business myself 😉. There is no way we can watch V with Sai without even a partial redemption. He is butchered completely at this point.

My catches were the word "Ajeeb" and "medicines". Correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't know what medicines P is taking. Is that hint dropped to be connected later wrt her mental illness? And her bipolar behaviour could be something which has made Vinu not connect with her.

Coming to my "initial" gaps and their probable answers.

Fake marriage - How is it that P and the family believe it to be real then?

So P1 was in aligned with V and they didn’t really register the marriage. But P2 which is the delusional side believes they did considering her mental state. Family was not present during the court marriage. So the family believes it to be a real marriage. Hence the word ajeeb. Is Sunny the secret keeper?

Ashwini and family's acceptance of P's illness - I don't believe the family would have agreed knowing P's condition. So it ought to be something which they are unaware of. They are only seeing the good side of P. And V is trying to work around it constantly to not trigger anything in family's presence

How can V forgive P? - A constant question that has been playing on my mind and I have mentioned a few times. He is functioning from a place of guilt. Where he feels he was the cause of P's state. Right from his promise to her before her marriage to making her the surrogate mother. But he has not been able to forgive her. I did make a comparison between Jagtap and P being the 2 evil people in Sai's life. So while Sai on humanitarian grounds treated Jagtap, V is doing the same with (Not getting into what is acceptable here). Sai acknowledges that Jagtap has changed, but she hasn't forgiven him. So she lets Savi have her own bond with him. Giving him that reward for it, but making it clear he is not forgiven. Similarly, V hasn't forgiven P. It is on humanitarian grounds. He is keeping P1 at a distance and not even considering her as a friend. With P2 he is acknowledging her condition and being considerate as a human being and being the person somewhere responsible for this state.

Interestingly Sai allows Jagtap to be around Savi, but wants to keep her away from V.

I have not seen KD and my limited knowledge is credited to the updates on the forum. Yet trying to attempt this point. Why did they deviate and bring in the P's mental illness after Sai and Virat's separation?

They are trying to redeem V here and also save him that one fall of Rono. Rono was criticised for his actions for ignoring Emon during pregnancy. Here V was not aware of Sai's pregnancy. So while there will be guilt, for losing that time, the blame will not entirely lie with V. And like V is not Rono, ....Sai is not Emon. If she knew about P's illness she would have somewhere been more compassionate.

Coming to the closures, repentance.....Karma giving its due.

I'm not sure how KD worked and how this will, but I want to see how this can be aligned with your perspective.

P's delusions, mental illness have not just been highlighted by us (in jest or real), and Sai (Virat's hospitalisation). But they indeed were laying the foundation. Unrequited love, broken promise, husband's death....

Now in all this all it seems like V will again be hailed as "Mahaan" like SH track. While I do agree Sai was at fault there, but V had mistakes in his kitty too. But here while Sai may have been impulsive, coming from a place of fear and safety of her baby, V had wronged her. So where does that get Sai at?

A question that Nutty had asked sometime back. Would Sai have forgiven V if he had gone after her? Maybe, maybe not. But the things that were said had a very deep impact on Sai. So much so that Sai was questioning the authenticity of their marriage...his love for her. And where words fail actions have to pave way. So while there will be lots of trails and tribulations, this will prove to Sai that he loves her and even death can change that. While Sai trusted V, she doubted P's capability in manipulating V. Here, she will also realise, that he learnt his lesson, and even in manipulation he will not fall for P.

Coming to V. We have only seen V's guilt. No reflection. Maybe that has happened or will happen when there is another face off. Not just of surrogacy, but also SH track. V is only capable of seeing Sai's physical pain and not her emotional one. The fact that even the strongest need that support, and it is upto the partner to understand and lend it. Since such people never show their needy side. The hurt his words had caused Sai, the fear and lack of trust his actions had induced in Sai has to be understood by him. His actions, his faults. V's major punishment comes in the form that he missed Sai's pregnancy, Savi's birth and the X years of her life. He can never ave them back. But he will now also bear the consequences of his actions before leap. Here he has not factored in the fact that Sai could be alive. But in complicates things for him. Having his daughter and wife in front of him and yet not being able to be with them, will be his punishment. His ordeal in trying to win them over, while everything falls apart. The result of his decisions. Savi will become the flag bearer. He has seen her longing for her father. While he may be upset with Sai, he will be guilty of bringing this upon his daughter. Though this is his core character, but while he keepws the truth away from Sai and P and Chavans, the outburst it will cause, will be his lesson not to stall everything.

P we have discussed. She has everything, yet she will not have anything. Her delusions will get cleared when she knows that even after death, V never stopped loving Sai. And he always meant what he said, he can never love her or anyone else.. because he only loves Sai.

But in all this where is the family? BK, Ashwini and the others..who have and will continue their mistake streak. P has to get darker. Hence, P2 will have to become dominant. This will happen when Sai returns. So while initially everyone might empathise and support her, seeing V's pull towards Sai, P2 will take over from the loving P1. And she will cause harm. This is when Chavans will see the magnitude of the evil they had nurtured and unleashed. Seeing the aggressive and evil side of P will tell them that the old P still exists. And they are guilty of encouraging her and making them all go through this. BK allowing P to be surrogate started this. Ashwini, forcing her on her son, and badmouthing Sai. They will also realise the threat that Sai and Savi would have been under if Sai had stayed back.

The point is Chavans thought that they would be able to resolve the problem within CN. They believed that they can school P and they had already fallen for her tears. So if Sai had stayed P would have played her game again. And could have caused more damage. Now they will see what P is capable of and how they were wrong about P and how they had wronged Sai.

That will be Karma full circle.. provided they are intending on it.

I'm counting on your prediction to keep this watchable ❤️

Originally posted by: Nja91

This mental illness theory also cant really "redeem" V perse.... No doctor can ask someone to get fake/real married and have a fake happy family with a person just for their mental health. Him playing mahaan by marrying PP for her health which has not improved even after 5-6 years is a little too OTT. But they really need to up the quota of his angst and "love" when he meets Sai.... They have barely given us any scenes of him grieving. Why has he not remembered his last words to Sai yet....when Sai V meet, if he does angry young man stunts and gets mad at Sai then why should Sai return to him. As it is she's been cheated on- maybe not sexually but PP has the status of Vs wife. So Sai has been cheated. Uparseh ab angst or passion bhi nahi mila toh what is left.... The least they can show is have him beg Sai to understand his "majboori" and give him "time" to fix things. If on the contrary he decides to snatch Savi, alienate Sai , and feel like his zimmedari towards pp is bigger then Sai should file a case against him for bigamy, harassment , divorce and also to get sole custody of Savi.

I know deep down that Sai V are gonna reconcile because the audience is never gonna accept V-PP, but i dont want it to be flimsy grounds like "kids"and ke liye and entirely rushed like remarriage time when literally no conversation happened about how he behaved during Shruri track.. he never even apologized properly and only Sai had to assume all responsibility.

This time if they make Sai go into self guilt, self blame mode then it will really suck. This time she needs to make V apologize. What he did before leap was wrong and what he did after has also been wrong. He has phelaoed raita in such huge amounts and over such a large surface area that its unparalleled....

He made pp surrogate , he tolerated her tantrums, he snatched the baby, he failed to investigate the case, he brought pp back and he said really terrible things to Sai. Sai tolerated a lot because of him and because it was for their baby. And now again he didn't search hard enough for Sai, he assumed her dead, he has decided to enter into a samjhauta relationship with PP and he is referring to her as "mumma" to his son. So they are parents. He has given Sai's place to another woman. His majboori are always flimsy and impulsive. So all the deeds are V's own bad choices. It's time he takes responsibility instead of blaming Sai.

From Sruthi track, he hasn’t taken up responsibility for any of his atrocious behaviour with Sai.

We can expect the same going forward too. He will be painted as the victim for losing Vinu, marrying Paki and for his dukh-bhari life .

And even worse, all blame will be on Sai.

There is no sense of justice in Ghum world. They compensate it by making Sai extra fierce and Superwoman!

Thats the issue. Itnaaa kaand karke bhi how is the onus not on him to fix things and to apologize..how does he get to be holiet than thou. How is Sai to blame for everything?! If she had come back, he'd still done everything he did, in KD he did and he expected her to tolerate. He made Sai tolerate everything throughout Shruti, throughout Surrogacy..so Sai's presence doesn't prevent him from making any bad choices anyway. If Sai had come back instead of adoption, Savi would be handed to pp or Sai would have had another miscarriage and throughout everyone would have called her Vinu's murderer

Sai has made a choice to rather live alone than to go back to a man who never understood her or prioritized her and clearly never loved her enough. Its just empty words he gave her. And the family also clearly never really saw her as their own. So I do not want to see Sai being made to regret her completely valid choice and V defend and get whitewashed for every ridiculous and poor choice.

The very least they need to do is to make V accountable for his bad choices.

V is only capable of seeing Sai's physical pain and not her emotional one. The fact that even the strongest need that support, and it is upto the partner to understand and lend it. Since such people never show their needy side. The hurt his words had caused Sai, the fear and lack of trust his actions had induced in Sai has to be understood by him. His actions, his faults.

This was pointed out to Virat by Sivani and Rajiv right after the marriage ceremony. They told him about how she broke down after he cut all ties with her and did the Diya visarjan. Sai tried to brush it aside but Sivani reiterated it. Virat’s reaction wasn’t so great then. Maybe he will revisit the same again ! Well, there is no harm in hoping 😃

Right now Virat and Sai have dialogues that are not blaming P n any way .

- Virat says i feel bad that I didn't stop her.

- Sai says he didnt come looking for me.

Even when they meet, they may discuss only on the above 2 lines.

Nothing about Virat bailing P, making her surrogate etc etc, or snatching baby.

So not sure if P s wrong doings will be brought up n any way.

Originally posted by: Moor278

Thank you sharing this... ❤️

As I said to you already... don't know if Vanku is capable of pulling this off... but if it has... then a lot of things make sense...

Especially why did V marry P??? If he believes that all this started because of the surrogacy nonsense and then losing Vinu... he might in his guilt, take up her responsibility and do good for her.

That aligns with his mahaan character.

Secondly, it also supports why there are no pictures of Sai even in his room.

Thirdly, Vinu-P equation is also quite suggestive. If Vinu has seen this flip/breakdown once in a while but his innocent mind is unable to understand it, then it makes sense why he is aloof with her.

I did a rewatch of all the scenes you mentioned and NB indeed does this. He flinches every single time she mentions they are married.

Even Aish/P ka flip at 'ajeeb' was superb. Like suddenly a switch turned on in her mind.

Thank you again...

Since I have asked Sadhika to share this... please don't come at her for being Pro V... it's a theory. Very well thought off and nice analysed. Try to look at it objectively with the story's perspective. It might make sense. It's a request.

Tagging a few others who I could see were on these lines.

I agree with you , If vanku was this creative , ghum would not be crap like now, He would have been more creative about sairat, but vanku can only show creativity in hall fight, thane marna and cringy scene of bhabhi devar.

So i dont think vankar will take the story anywhere close to what is mentioned, instead i am sure he will show bhabhi's non existing dhuk bhari kahani after sai comes, How bhabhi still not be able to get husband love, how sai has come in b/w didi and her husband,

If vankar wanted to show didi +ve he should have made didi walk out of CN to her parents house.

Thank you .. bipolar disorder is something which can be explained for pakhi’s behaviour

it is very common along with schizophrenia.. and a lot of households have members suffering from it .. I myself have a close family member suffering from schizophrenia and so many things we let go .

to maintain family peace .. we live a delusional life in front of her .. but will vankar be able to do justice to this track

why vinu is aloof with her .. because maybe he knows along with his father .. that pakhi is bipolar ..and that maybe the reason virat allowed pakhi to remove traces of Sai in the house in the room

Virat owed it to pakhi .. when he gave a promise that he will always stand by her when she need him this was the condition for which she agreed to marry samrat.. and he fulfilled that promise .. after Sai n samrat’s death ..

Originally posted by: Rosyme

Right now Virat and Sai have dialogues that are not blaming P n any way .

- Virat says i feel bad that I didn't stop her.

- Sai says he didnt come looking for me.

Even when they meet, they may discuss only on the above 2 lines.

Nothing about Virat bailing P, making her surrogate etc etc, or snatching baby.

So not sure if P s wrong doings will be brought up n any way.