I found the episode ok 👍 - Page 4

Originally posted by: laksh

Will reply once I watch the episode. Watched very few clippings. I agree to almost everything that you have said based on the story and the clippings that I had watched. I also thought the episode was okay. It could also be because I didn’t have any expectations. I was only eager to watch the reactions of CN log when Samrat exposes the truth and what he is about to do. Since I didn’t have any expectations, their reaction somehow didn’t make a difference to me. They are all hypocrites anyway. I also have another theory about it.

I feel that they all sided with Pakhi because she was chosen by them. She was chosen by the elders of the family. They had a very good impression about her and had faith in her. Accepting to Samrat would mean accepting their inability to read a person, it would mean their failure, that they have been wrong all the while in supporting a wrong bahu. Bhavani would never want it. She is not a person who can accept her failure. Not a person on whom people lose faith that she was wrong in supporting Pakhi all the while.

It was not only because she felt bad for Pakhi, it was because Samrat was accusing a girl whom she chose for him, whom she has so much faith in. She wouldn’t want to withdraw her support after she has been supporting her thing long I think. Bhavani is yet to change in many ways. Only after her egoistic and dominant attitude changes, will she even accept her mistakes and also agree that Pakhi is wrong.

That is my take on why she didn’t support her own sons. At the end of the day her pride is important which we had seen in Pulkit’s case too. She never accepted Pulkit. It was not only because of his Khandaan but I think it also would mean that she accepts she was wrong in not accepting Pulkit in the past.

Will let me know my views on the other things once I watch the entire episode.

Laksh,

I agree with all of these points. I have personally witnessed such dynamics in my own family. Every single character yesterday acted within their character sketch in my opinion. Everything was to be expected.

Also, from the POV of the elders, Pakhi has been the ideal bahu over the past year. She has upheld tradition, supported their every decision, done the house's chores, etc, etc.... all of these things have shaped their perception of her too.

I would have liked to see at least a moment of shame from them, though. Leaving everything else aside, they have just come to discover that their son, who they claim to have been desperately missing, left the house because his wife and younger brother "deceived him." Shouldn't this cause people as orthodox as the Chavans to feel humiliated? But then again, they all clearly knew the truth already, as demonstrated by their reactions. They were just choosing to brush it under the rug, which they are basically continuing to do now.....

The episode was good but the only problem is whenever someone calls out the relati0onship between Virat and Pakhi they become the villain. No one from the entire house questioned Virat or Pakhi, in fact Pakhi just threw a tantrum (nothing new) and ran away, like she always does. No one asked them why did they hide all this, they didn't have to share it with the family but what about Samrat, why did they hide it from him?

IDK if it's for writing or PH problem (because certainly the story wasn't like this in the original one) but somehow Pakhi always gets away with everything. They will probably show her murdering someone (who knows Samrat or Sai probably) and then getting away with that too. -_-

Asmi has encapsulated why viewers are so upset with the episode in another thread. I am pasting and elaborating upon her words here. It honestly has nothing to do with what was shown in the episode in terms of how the characters reacted (all of their reactions were to be expected)....it has more to do with the way in which the makers are handling this show....

"The Ghum makers and actors keep using the fact that this show is a remake to justify tracks and scenes that may displeasure the audience. They blindly copy-paste word for word for the most part, when nearly every other show on television is a remake, but never to this extent. All of these other shows have many original tracks.

Despite the fact that the makers copy paste everything in this show, there are 2 things that are extremely frustrating.... because they only choose to show their creativity when

1. Pakhi is never questioned nor held accountable to the extent she was in KD. Scenes and dialogues are eliminated in her favor, and additional scenes are also added in her favor.

2. SaiRat scenes are always rushed and reduced when compared to KD.

These 2 things have been a constant trend in this show. So, in my opinion, it's only natural for viewers to get upset..... "

Originally posted by: tptwi

Asmi has encapsulated why viewers are so upset with the episode in another thread. I am pasting and elaborating upon her words here. It honestly has nothing to do with what was shown in the episode in terms of how the characters reacted (all of their reactions were to be expected)....it has more to do with the way in which the makers are handling this show....

"The Ghum makers and actors keep using the fact that this show is a remake to justify tracks and scenes that may displeasure the audience. They blindly copy-paste word for word for the most part, when nearly every other show on television is a remake, but never to this extent. All of these other shows have many original tracks.

Despite the fact that the makers copy paste everything in this show, there are 2 things that are extremely frustrating.... because they only choose to show their creativity when

1. Pakhi is never questioned nor held accountable to the extent she was in KD. Scenes and dialogues are eliminated in her favor, and additional scenes are also added in her favor.

2. SaiRat scenes are always rushed and reduced when compared to KD.

These 2 things have been a constant trend in this show. So, in my opinion, it's only natural for viewers to get upset.....

HAAN HAAN HAAN HAAN!!!

Honestly never did I think I would find KD better..Such is the state right now!

Originally posted by: msin

see in a family we don’t support or not support .. I have lived in a joint family .. sometime we have deep conflicts .. abd if we are not directly involved .. we tend to listen to both sides .. just for time pass if nothing else ..

Mohit Shivani knew something has been brewing .. which has created tension .. fir a year .. today they got a chance to see what the matter can be .. curiousity if not empathy … made then go and show sympathy to pakhi ..

Mohit has not been given any information from his both cousins .. ( virat abd samrat ) has virat revealed his extent of relation to even Sai .. today patralekha is vulnerable.. if nothing else .. just Plain Curiosity can also lead a family me member to her side ..

In a normal day she would never reveal anything.. I can’t explain anything more than this ..

this maybe similar to Karishma type behaviour but it is not .. it maybe done with an intention to resolve the mess ..

I can identify with this 🧐

I am usually the one that talks to warring parties..I am the least emo in this generation

unless big bro is on one side and anyone on the other side in this case no matter what I will not let bro down in public🙈 ( I will berate or criticize in private if he is wrong)

Originally posted by: tptwi

@bolded: I found this to be perfectly within her character. She is incapable of accepting her faults, even to herself. She truly believes that she has done nothing wrong. What put me off is when she told Sunny, Shivani, and Mohit that she didn't know she would be living in the same house as Virat. Because we literally had multiple scenes at the start of the show where she explicitly said that this was the only reason she was marrying Samrat. It did not seem as if she was trying to lie... it was yet again another inconsistency (or perhaps purposeful attempt to victimize her by the makers)....

See she knew virat n samrat were related at the Haldi .. which is one day before wedding .. cards were out .. after that she started getting cold feet , crying rebelling ..

But she had resigned to her fate when she had agreed to marry samrat salunkhe before knowing his virat connection..

It is not that easy to break shadi at that time .. her father was supporting her but virat was not ..
pakhi was not that grey in the beginning .. Infact virat n pakhi both were similar in their sensibilities..

gradually pakhi is becoming more negative abd virat becoming positive ..

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

On the face of it, today's episode as a whole may be logically explained....and I agree with a lot of your points.

When I thought about it, Samrat not revealing about the SR phone call was actually fine. It was probably reserved to be used during SamrAkhi confrontation. Samrat had already revealed the gist of the love triangle and also that Virat had hidden the truth from him (to the elders). Phone conversation was a private info between Samrat, Virat and Pakhi.

I did not mind Shivani, Sunny and Mohit going to meet Pakhi. They were not trying to console her but as neutrals, trying to find a solution to the problem....ask her what she wanted to do. That's what family members do during disputes. I just want them to call her out her BS if she tries to shift the blame, or plays victims - without taking sides

Chakrams being partial to Pakhi is also known fact....this is who they are

Why people are apprehensive or dissatisfied? - because Pakhi never gets called out

Pakhi is being whitewashed....just like Bhavani

Everything in GHUM is copy pasted from KD. In KD, RK was rebuked by the family for major kaands like Ajinkya, pushing Sai etc. Here there isn't even a whisper. Why? I don't understand what they are trying to do here....

1) Are they trying to tell us that Chakrams are worse than Chatterjees. Then lets stop with the kabhi khushi kabhi ghum.....stop Sai or Virat trying extra-hard to make them happy.

2) Are they trying to portray Pakhi as an emotional fool...the parallel lead....who committed sins out of desperation? Then, perhaps, keeping the focus away from her crimes, helps to quietly move her story ahead? In contrast, in KD, RK was portrayed an a vindictive, scorned woman - which she was. I concede that audience perceives Pakhi as a deceptive, manipulative woman who doesn't take responsibility for her actions. But on-screen, she will always be the aggrieved party, never receive comeuppance for her sins - SaiRat will continue to be sympathetic to her irrespective of her conspiracy in Ajinkya matter which nearly caused Sai's death. Later, she will be shown as a loving wife of Samrat...It doesn't make for a good watch.

This is probably more a general view...not limited today's episode

@bolded: Perfectly said, Nethraa.

My original problem with these 3 coming to talk to Pakhi was from the standpoint of the makers. These are the 3 people who know Pakhi's intentions and how she has behaved in Samrat's absence, and now they are being sent to sympathize with her. I agree that they are kind hearted and I was not expecting them to bash her in this moment, because they see that she is "hurting" too. But, I still believe that it would have been better for the makers to send Kaku and even Mansi to Pakhi instead. The entire thing was off putting and kind of odd in general.

But, leaving that aside. I understand that they are acting as neutrals and trying to problem solve here. But, Pakhi is crying over the divorce, acting as if she has been completely wronged, throwing Virat and Samrat under the bus to save herself. If they remain silent in the face of all of this, that is not acting neutral nor acting as a problem solver. They are not Trimurthi who have always blindly looked past Pakhi's faults. They have always called out wrong. Sunny remaining silent makes sense, because he is Virat's best friend, and Virat himself is remaining silent. Sunny does not want to reveal anything or say anything that could make Virat upset or pain him further. But, in terms of Shivani and Mohit... if this conversation continues into the next episode, I would really like them to at least say a little something to remind Pakhi that she is not entirely innocent here... They are asking Pakhi what she wants to do next, which is fair. But, they also need to keep in mind that Samrat is deeply hurt and be cognizant of his feelings too- only then can they come across as neutral problem solvers.

I like your POV and it makes me feel better about the episode on rewatch,

Initially I was not happy, but now I understand.

Things might have been different maybe if Samrat told this the very next day of marriage when she refused honeymoon in front of all. They could have counselled Pakhi and Samrat then or broke off. Now the family selected bride has been shown as waiting for 1 year for him and their son is at fault for abandoning her.

Infact both their sons are involved in this mess in a way, so family will try to hush it up rather than antagonize Pakhi.

Plus they already lost respect of neighbors when Sai was thrown out and she showed their truth in public and truth of Devi's wedding.

So they will want to protect their own respect at this point.

However I do want to see Pakhi losing her respect from Chavans when she continues to interfere in Sai's life and people should not take her seriously.

Originally posted by: tptwi

@bolded: Perfectly said, Nethraa.

My original problem with these 3 coming to talk to Pakhi was from the standpoint of the makers. These are the 3 people who know Pakhi's intentions and how she has behaved in Samrat's absence, and now they are being sent to sympathize with her. I agree that they are kind hearted and I was not expecting them to bash her in this moment, because they see that she is "hurting" too. But, I still believe that it would have been better for the makers to send Kaku and even Mansi to Pakhi instead. The entire thing was off putting and kind of odd in general.

But, leaving that aside. I understand that they are acting as neutrals and trying to problem solve here. But, Pakhi is crying over the divorce, acting as if she has been completely wronged, throwing Virat and Samrat under the bus to save herself. If they remain silent in the face of all of this, that is not acting neutral nor acting as a problem solver. They are not Trimurthi who have always blindly looked past Pakhi's faults. They have always called out wrong. Sunny remaining silent makes sense, because he is Virat's best friend, and Virat himself is remaining silent. Sunny does not want to reveal anything or say anything that could make Virat upset or pain him further. But, in terms of Shivani and Mohit... if this conversation continues into the next episode, I would really like them to at least say a little something to remind Pakhi that she is not entirely innocent here... They are asking Pakhi what she wants to do next, which is fair. But, they also need to keep in mind that Samrat is deeply hurt and be cognizant of his feelings too- only then can they come across as neutral problem solvers.

i have already said they are behaving like a typical family listening to both sides and forming an opinion.. how pakhi n samrat will behave has no bearings on what these 3 might say .. they are just lending a sympathetic ear ..

next episode you might see them with samrat ..both the warring parties don’t value their opinions .

Originally posted by: msin

i have already said they are behaving like a typical family listening to both sides and forming an opinion.. how pakhi n samrat will behave has no bearings on what these 3 might say .. they are just lending a sympathetic ear ..

next episode you might see them with samrat ..both the warring parties don’t value their opinions .

@bolded: I can almost surely say that this won't be shown.... and that is my entire point to begin with.....

Anyways, I feel that we are talking about 2 separate issues here. My issue is more with offscreen and how the other characters are being used to whitewash Pakhi, while you are talking more about onscreen family dynamics.....