Audience vs makers

This might be a controversial topic, I don’t know. But would love to know all of your thoughts.

Who does the story belong to? The obvious answer would be the makers in case of movies. For example, when an audience see a movie, they either love it or hate it. No choice is given for making further changes to the script

in a daily soap. It’s quite different in the sense the makers have to listen to the audience feedback on a daily basis ( I have been part of the rant as well, ) whether they take our feedback or not is another issue. My question is , as an audience do we have the right to demand changes to the script when and if we don’t like something?

I am sorry if I am rambling . I have been one of the few when annoyed with the storyline have written long emails to the makers. But this topic is meant to just start a healthy discussion on what everyone’s though is.

Tagging a few to get things rolling

Agreed! As a television show progresses the script is changed according to audience demand! I’ll state a short and small example! One of the most famous television show friends did the same... Monica initially was suppose to end up with Joey but when they saw the audience reaction to Monica and chandler and how much people loved them the entire script was changed for that!

Same goes for many ITV shows as well.. we have seen scripts change because of audience demands because unlike movies which last for an 1 or 2 hrs ITV shows last for many days if not months and years, people actually start getting attached to characters...

Very interesting topic. I would say in daily soap makers should give importance to audiences feedback but they shouldn't change the storyline completely based on few a suggestions, they see on SM . There are few reasons

1. Most of the times Audiences or should I say fans get connected to one or two characters in the show and their feedback will be only from that particular character's POv and they miss looking at the bigger picture but in a story all the characters are important and the story becomes interesting when every character has its arc and have a role to play. Let me give an example. To avoid offending anyone I will take my example . I relate to Virat more because of where I come from in my real life. My feedback will mostly be biased towards Virat and that changes the course of the story . We need to view the story from neutral eyes

2. Next important question..how will you collect the audience feedback? Not all audiences are active on SM to share their views. So should online audiences be given preference over tv audiences? In a country like India especially in rural side the TV audiences are more in number than online audiences.

3. You have different feedbacks available so which one should be picked. Is the majority always right? If you are going for the majority then you need to be fair and give every audience a chance to put their views.

There was one serial KRPKAB which most of you might be aware of. They gave importance to online audiences so much that if any of the characters was called names like spineless then they would show three or four episodes later . The story was messed up because the story was changed and we got to see only one character’s journey , pain ignoring other characters. Later after the serial ended I got to know certain fans of the actor has grudge against him for certain reasons and they formed the bashing gang who bashed his character on screen . I don’t know how true that is but I have seen some messy things happening on SM where they gang up on actors

Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

Very interesting topic. I would say in daily soap makers should give importance to audiences feedback but they shouldn't change the storyline completely based on few a suggestions, they see on SM . There are few reasons

1. Most of the times Audiences or should I say fans get connected to one or two characters in the show and their feedback will be only from that particular character's POv and they miss looking at the bigger picture but in a story all the characters are important and the story becomes interesting when every character has its arc and have a role to play. Let me give an example. To avoid offending anyone I will take my example . I relate to Virat more because of where I come from in my real life. My feedback will mostly be biased towards Virat and that changes the course of the story . We need to view the story from neutral eyes

2. Next important question..how will you collect the audience feedback? Not all audiences are active on SM to share their views. So should online audiences be given preference over tv audiences? In a country like India especially in rural side the TV audiences are more in number than online audiences.

3. You have different feedbacks available so which one should be picked. Is the majority always right? If you are going for the majority then you need to be fair and give every audience a chance to put their views.

There was one serial KRPKAB which most of you might be aware of. They gave importance to online audiences so much that if any of the characters was called names like spineless then they would show three or four episodes later . The story was messed up because the story was changed and we got to see only one character’s journey , pain ignoring other characters. Later after the serial ended I got to know certain fans of the actor has grudge against him for certain reasons and they formed the bashing gang who bashed his character on screen . I don’t know how true that is but I have seen some messy things happening on SM where they gang up on actors

You have made some interesting points.

I don’t know if they do but if they don’t , PH should really hire a PR team / social media analyst ( or something I don’t know ) to scour through the feedback’s and criticism. It is difficult to take in all the suggestions but if something keeps repeating then it’s a good thing to take into consideration.

TRPs are one good metric but verbal feedback’s should play some part not a majority of it. Again it’s upto them to play around and see what fits best.

SM is highly volatile because some might purposely skewer opinions. But a combination of different things like ( IF popularity, Twitter, emails ) can play a small part too apart from TRPs.

I think 404_usernotfound has answered the question you have raised. I have nothing more to add.

Originally posted by: Svt611

Agreed! As a television show progresses the script is changed according to audience demand! I’ll state a short and small example! One of the most famous television show friends did the same... Monica initially was suppose to end up with Joey but when they saw the audience reaction to Monica and chandler and how much people loved them the entire script was changed for that!

Same goes for many ITV shows as well.. we have seen scripts change because of audience demands because unlike movies which last for an 1 or 2 hrs ITV shows last for many days if not months and years, people actually start getting attached to characters...

WHAT? Monica and Joey 😳

I can’t even imagine

If itv show didnt want to change the original story and stick to a fully thought out script then the show should be a finite drama/series likr the ones on ott platforms. The minute they committ to a DAILY SOAP format they need to be cognizant of audience feedback. Obviously every wish and demand cannot be fulfilled and sometimes us audience need to be patient to allow the track to unfold but they should remember that trp depends on audience. If majority of the audience are saying something they need to listen to it.

I really hope post Neil's return they dont forget that the biggest attraction of the show is Sairat. And we want good Sairat scenes. Romamce seh pagle nok jhok bhi chalega but NOT only fights and MU between the couple. They need to give enough screentime to the couple that has got them trp n eyeballs not the couple that everyone hates to see onscreen together.

But one unfortunate thing is i think trp aunties don't mind the 3rd angle drama as much as the online audience. Many people who give feedback on the forum are online/hotstar viewers. They invest so much time into the show and creating a buzz on SM. Edits/VMs etc. And i wish thst they'd take online feedback seriously and not just trp.

I am sorry I don’t know for how long you have been watching TV shows, but ITV does not change anything for Twitter and online audience

SP operates on TRP only. It’s very clear, when TRP is down, they look at what tracks in other shows are working, and force PH to ingest those tracks in their show.

The whole Monica chandler example does not work here cos that’s a weekly show, we must compare ITV shows to American daily soaps which btw have stopped now. Those are writers room shows
The writing here is literally done sometimes on the set. Sometimes it’s not even writing, it’s the director or cv shouting lines and the actors repeating them.
Only around first 50-60 episodes are really written

They have lots of rehearsals for chemistry tests because they know audience comes for promos (which btw sometimes they spend more money on than episodes) and get addicted to chemistry and kitchen politics.

SP is super clear on TRP with PH

Sandip Sickand famously revealed all this

He now has a show on SP at a 6:30pm slot, after having given SP one of its all time big hit YHM. That was Balaji PH but Sickand was main CV. Sickand’s KHKT didn’t work on SP, they didn’t care that he had given them hits before, he wanted to show something different but SP wanted kitchen politics

The only time PH comes and begs to Twitter is when they know the show is falling in TRP and they rely on Fandoms to increase the perception of numbers

SP is consistent - TRP

PH is fickle

Audience is mix

sorry this may come across very negative but I have seen many many shows like this come and go.

i am sorry I know you didn’t tag me,

So forgive me for pushing my op

In essence it’s not two groups - makers and audience

It’s actually three - Channel (the ultimate boss) the Production House (the in between and so called CVS) and the audience (the actual powerful ones - TRP audience, the powerless - the online younger ones like you and me)

also just want to say if the title has the three people on it, you can be assured the three will stay until the end of the show. Pakhi isn’t going anywhere.

Originally posted by: Harinivas

I am sorry I don’t know for how long you have been watching TV shows, but ITV does not change anything for Twitter and online audience

SP operates on TRP only. It’s very clear, when TRP is down, they look at what tracks in other shows are working, and force PH to ingest those tracks in their show.

The whole Monica chandler example does not work here cos that’s a weekly show, we must compare ITV shows to American daily soaps which btw have stopped now. Those are writers room shows
The writing here is literally done sometimes on the set. Sometimes it’s not even writing, it’s the director or cv shouting lines and the actors repeating them.
Only around first 50-60 episodes are really written

They have lots of rehearsals for chemistry tests because they know audience comes for promos (which btw sometimes they spend more money on than episodes) and get addicted to chemistry and kitchen politics.

SP is super clear on TRP with PH

Sandip Sickand famously revealed all this

He now has a show on SP at a 6:30pm slot, after having given SP one of its all time big hit YHM. That was Balaji PH but Sickand was main CV. Sickand’s KHKT didn’t work on SP, they didn’t care that he had given them hits before, he wanted to show something different but SP wanted kitchen politics

The only time PH comes and begs to Twitter is when they know the show is falling in TRP and they rely on Fandoms to increase the perception of numbers

SP is consistent - TRP

PH is fickle

Audience is mix

sorry this may come across very negative but I have seen many many shows like this come and go.

i am sorry I know you didn’t tag me,

So forgive me for pushing my op

In essence it’s not two groups - makers and audience

It’s actually three - Channel (the ultimate boss) the Production House (the in between and so called CVS) and the audience (the actual powerful ones - TRP audience, the powerless - the online younger ones like you and me)

also just want to say if the title has the three people on it, you can be assured the three will stay until the end of the show. Pakhi isn’t going anywhere.

I just tagged a few to get the conversation moving:

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Your opinion is most welcome. Seems like the reality I guess. Can’t be helped. TRPS TRPS TRPS. They don’t even care what actually brings TRPS. I guess it’s mostly trial and error for them. It’s so bleak for online audience who want logical tracks and sairat 🥺

I wish more character depth or a different track for her. Samrat vapas aao please .

If you want in-depth stories - Sony TV does a decent job becos their TRPs are the worst

If you want mindless entertainment with your favorite jodis ZeeTV has learned to keep its online audience happy - by introducing their popular jodis in web series separately written stories on the fab jodis - they have done it with two or three jodis so far.

SP is the richest channel - they want to remain that way - their formula is TRP in fact when Amir Khan tried to change the TRP formula SP told him to wrap up satyamev jayate

The TRP formula works for SP

TRP aunties don’t care for story, it’s regressive Tv they like - sasuma Bs, btw they love third angle women becos it makes their own pati varta lives fulfilling. In-depth, grey vaghera is beyond understanding. These are people who want a break from cooking cleaning and fighting in the house. They want to feel better about their humdrum lives