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Posted: 4 years ago
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It is karishma who likes to see tamasha. Mohit is just mute. When you are the "khota sikka", when no one ever takes a stand for you including your oen parents and you have 2 older brothers who are the apple of everyone's eyes, one can easily get caught up in bitterness. He probably looks up to his older brothers but also feels jealous/bitter/inferior of the attention and laad/pyaar they get. I don't recall seeing any scene where mohit has deliberately hurt someone but he has never spoken up because he has no izzat in this house, every time he has tried he is shot down in 2 seconds. Even devi/ashwini/shivani can put up a fight longer than him. Hes the youngest son who in most households is the pampered one. But here he is treated as a nobody.

Virat knows right from wrong but he has been so conditioned that he really pi ks his battles. Instead of picking a side he usually just diffuses the situation pleasing everyone. Today was one of the few times like Sai's education where he has clearly picked a side and spoke up to everyone.

I feel that he spoke up for Sai's sake and her correct stance more than mohit. If Sai had not raised hell, sab log chhup chaap apna kaam karte, mohit would have left hungry, virat wouldnt know anything- this is probably what always happens in the house. Virat probably has never realised just how badly aai/shivani/mohit have all been treated because by the time he enters the situation either everyone has accepted their fate and moved on.Virat looks shocked everyday to see his family elders in a new light exposing their double standards. It is only thanks to Sai and the fact that she wont back off that virat is seeing more of what really goes on in this house. And when Sai starts her morcha, virat again usually speaks in a way to calm everyone down without blaming/pointing fingers etc but sometimes the issue is such that virat is forved to take a stance. To his credit, he does the right thing. But today was one of those few rare moments where Virat even though he came with the attitude of "kya hua hai, koi mujhe batayega" once he saw the truth and realised the reason for Sai's morcha, he was firmly on Sai's side and has not tried to just calm people down but actually shown everyone a mirror and given it back. To sonali, bk, ninad, pp. Everyone got a sharp rebuttal.

But if this scene had played out in front of Virat with no Sai in the picture, how would be react? Would he oppose it? Yes. But would he be as fierce, as blunt in his opposition as Sai is- i think not. He probably would calmly be like "kaku, khaana nahi khayega toh interview kaise dega" or maybe he'd just give a disapproving nod, take the plate to mohits room and tell him to eat. Or maybe he'd even say - ye thik nahi kiya aapne. But he would likely not be as fierce as Sai. She used all the right words. Dohraapan, "bheek manga", "adbhut parivaar". And it was important because she wasnt having a polite disagreement she was calling out their hypocrisy, double standards and the despicable treatment being meted out to a family member. Sai's fierceness enabled virat to also back her up solidly.

Virat ka "fierce roop"/insaafpasand attitude sirf bahaar criminals ke saath dikha hai, GC mein, but aaj for a change ghat mein dikha. And being able to call out and fight with your own family is much harder to do but its important. Kyunki safai karna hai toh pahle apne ghar se shuru honi chahiye!

Virat has always been righteous but until Sai came in the picture he lacked the "fight". He has mostly picked the overly diplomatic route which may have worked but sometimes it dilutes the impact. Similarly sai is always too blunt. She needs to realise that somerimes tact and diplomacy also work, work better than her approach. But situation ke hisaab se navra-baiko need to use each others ammunition.

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Posted: 4 years ago
#32

As usual great analysis Janki

Yahi to hum chahte hain Virat apni vahini cum bff ko mirror dikhaye aur biwi ke saath khada rahe humesha

Sai ne pata nehi kya likhi hogi exam paper mein i think yeh bad weekly test tha isliye mobile allowed tha class mein

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: msin

he was drawn to her ..men seldom make decisions of marriage if there is no attraction.. virat was always drawn towards sayi .. yes by chance he had met pakhi .. and had conventionally fallen for her .. so his mind was saying there’s a girl called pakhi


who is meant for you


sayi is a beautiful stunning girl .. who smart , outspoken and very intelligent .. there’s something about her which reminds me of yagyaseni .. draupadi ..

Virat was much older than her .. so he dismissed her as a kid but when she challenged him during safe house .. the man in him wants to control her .. tame her .. but he kept it under a civil face ..

Also it was not appropriate behaviour.. as she’s much younger and was the daughter of his deputy .


and he wanted to marry pakhi who was more suitable for him ..



When he met pakhi again as samrat fiancée .. he was aggrieved and made appropriate promises but it was his mind making those noises ..he ran to save sayi from being kidnapped .. his temptation for sayi became more obvious in the safe house as he made sure she speaks to him only not her police officer dad .. remember the scene when virat saves her from marriage to jagtap he tells her to believe him hold his hand .. she refuses .. and after some coaxing when she escapes she runs to her dad ..

there is something there .. I have to figure out what .. Janaki help

wjen Kamal sir died .. there were too many things involved , his guilt , he was stressed out about samrat abd he had lost pakhi



So he was not in a frame of mind to decide about marriage .. but when he saves sayi from suicide .. and he sees her maang filled with her blood sindoor .. there is something he is drawn too. The protector the man in him wakes up from the trauma .. he did not want to lose her now .. he decides to have her as his wife ..





I agree with ur all d points except one comparison of sai with Draupadi as myself is mytho lover so has little bit knowledge of it that Draupadi is 10 times stronger character than sai , Draupadi has seen worst time in d life still she never thought of ending her life. Draupadi was not name sake empress infact ruling empress & better than yudhishthira in many aspect & Draupadi was a politician also who well aware of rajneeti & active member of it . She is a political figure


Yes sai has sharp tongue , stick to get values but still don't come anywhere near Draupadi.



Sorry for this one

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Love ur Analysis as always... It always bring a new concept/idea regarding the episode..

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Sai's first suicide attempt was driven by immeasurable grief and the desire to just be with her father. End her life so she can join her father. It was am impulsive decision stemming from immeasurable grief not of weakness.

Sai will learn tact and diplomacy with age and from seeing others. Jitna gussa karti hai Sai utna hi Acche se manati hai. Case in point is how she brought pp back home. Actually when required she is smart. In reception scene they showed how she convinced kaku to stay back because she said shivani will take her bed, karishma her mirror and usha her room! Shs knew kaku is materialistic abd cares about shaan/ruthba/etc. The best room in the house must be kaku's.

But aage virat ke influence aur age ke saath she will learn even more tact/wit.

I hope that unlike KD we will never see another suicide attempt from Sai. Now that shes a medical student and has recovered from hee biggest loss- of losing her father i expect her to value human life and her purpose- of being a doctor enough that suicide will never be an option for her.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Roch


Disagreement nahi par difference of opinion hain, buts thats ok.

I dont doubt Virat's intentions and my logical mind has always supported him and i would still stand that way whenever needed.

I always had one question "Why did Virat marry Sai?" - He knew his family, he knew how she is, he knew about his past, he knew about his values, he knew about his promises, etc.

He must have thought something and married her, i want to know what that is 😉


Same question mera sai ke liye why she married virat fully aware of t & c of d marriage. I asked for her pov sai ne kuch to socha hoga sadly makers never gave any pov of sai about this marriage , maine janki se bhi pucha tha .


Well I very strong believe that this marriage would had not happened if sai had not committed suicide. If I see virat refuse to marry her & left for GC but sai suicide attemp made him return. I can only say sai suicide attempt made him belief that sai can't lead life alone she need someone , if I m right he had seen sai begging villagers to become her family . He was guilty for not able to save KJ sai suicide attempt made it worse & KJ had given Sai's responsibility to him. I wonder what made KJ give Sai's responsibility to virat only.


Virat can't bring sai in CN without marriage nor he can leave her alone as he had seen her action what she is capable of .


Virat had a thinking that his family will react d way they would had reacted d time of karishma thou I m not sure virat was witness of it or not coz only karishma Mohit said they faced humiliation.


He never thought his family will react this way in grahpravesh if u remember he was shocked at behaviour of ninad & really upset d behaviour of d family , that made him ask sai to stand for herself but in a decent way.


Regarding loving someone else , it's not a crime to love someone ye makers ki galti hain ki vo present nhi kar paye virakhi track ko varna marna makers ka idea tha Ki ML was already been in love with a failed relationship

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Roch feeling don't have on off button, aap agree na kare shayad ,virakhi ka relationship attraction mode me tha but virat is not someone who falls for someone only outer Beauty , he is not casonova who fall for every beautiful face, he may had felt connection with pakhi , bu again makers failed to justify it.


At end of d day virat too is human if he will get hurt even he will cry 2.


If u see virar got back 2 back blows with no time to relax in b/w . Samrakhi marriage , Sai's abduction , KJ death , his own guilt , villagers emotional pressure , sai suicide attempt wasd last blow in b/w he dint had time to think much .


He was termed as cheater by d girl he was dreaming with no fault his own as he was never given chance to give his side.


There was no point of fighting for someone who never trusted u on d first place, virat find no reason to fight for pakhi who agree to marry samrat in flick of a moment that's why he choose samrat over pakhi. As per his conversation with samrat he realised samrat really interested in pakhi.


So called vaada was an impulsive move to make pakhi get out of d room as she was not ready to leave.


I hold virat as culprit of samrat as he was no one to decide for samrat but he is not culprit of pakhi. Pakhi is herself responsible of her own misery. Ball was in pakhi's court that to accept or not virat"s deal


Logically pakhi's father kept on telling her back off but that idiot lady dint coz she think pyar paagalpan hota hain.


I can say with guarantee even sai or samrat will ask pakhi why she accepted virat's vaada & why she wanted virat alone for whole life which pakhi's father also asked.


With that vaada also virat was clear he was not planning ema infact he planned to shift to GC after samrat's marriage.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: msin

When he met pakhi again as samrat fiancée .. he was aggrieved and made appropriate promises but it was his mind making those noises ..he ran to save sayi from being kidnapped .. his temptation for sayi became more obvious in the safe house as he made sure she speaks to him only not her police officer dad .. remember the scene when virat saves her from marriage to jagtap he tells her to believe him hold his hand .. she refuses .. and after some coaxing when she escapes she runs to her dad ..

there is something there .. I have to figure out what .. Janaki help

He definitely already had a connection with her and I will repeat for the umpteenth time that he was very affected when she just ran past him to Aaba, brushing his shoulder. He had first stretched out his hand when she was scared and when she did run, she didn't stop to acknowledge him. He wanted it. He repeated it at the safe house milkman disguise when he said, "Wo shaadi chhodhkar tumhare paas wapas aaya tha... uski kadar nahi hai .."

Of course, he has always had this urge to be the only one for her at various levels as we discussed recently -- first as a protector, now, of course in many, many ways. He has always been kind of possessive. It was he who first asked her , "Will you forget me when you go to Nagpur?"


Originally posted by: Roch

I always had one question "Why did Virat marry Sai?" - He knew his family, he knew how she is, he knew about his past, he knew about his values, he knew about his promises, etc.

He must have thought something and married her, i want to know what that is smiley2



I am reposting from an older post the day of their outing i think because it is exactly what I still feel and the answer to the same question of why (i think) he married Sai:


For the fear of repeating myself, I would say, like I have mentioned in several posts before, I believe the real reason why Virat is not going to verbalise his 'affection' for Sai spashth shabdon mein for a long time is because the current status of being 'caught in the crossroad' is actually also a way to protect his heart as well. We all agree that it's Sai who is getting a raw deal and will hurt more. It's true. But it is also true that Virat will always be apprehensive about speaking out about his 'affection' to Sai for the fear of rejection -- knowing that he himself has asked her to keep distance and therefore, by virtue, lost the right to expect her to love in return.

Recall their conversation before their wedding when Sai wanted to desperately hear why he wanted to marry her -- and when he didn't answer, she desperately wanted to push him to refuse the marriage. But he didn't. And she wanted to know why? Virat said, "Har sawaal ka jawab hota hai par har sawaal ka jawab dena zaroori nahin..."

To my mind, it was Virat trying to evade telling her the truth as he felt it -- and he didn't want to lie. The truth was what he said a few episodes ago --- "tumhare na Milne Ka dar, tumhare Saath Kuch galat ho jaane Ka darr... Mujhe chain se jeene Nahi deta, ghoot ta rehta"... Also, at that moment, his 'true love' was really not even on his mind. It was as an afterthought when Sai asked about 'Aap Pakhi se kya kahenge?' twice and it hit him that he must tell her about the vaada -- the sudden misery that overcame him when he said, 'Nahin... Umeed mat rakhna'

The suicide attempt had rattled him-- not merely because she was the daughter of his guru and the officer who gave up his life to save him or the guilt that she'd just wanted to leave the place for a new life but somehow he came in the way of her dreams... but because it had affected HIM -- the thought of 'disconnecting' beyond reach. "Mujhe pata hota tum aisa kuch soch rahi ho toh main tumhe kabhi akela nahi chhodhkar jaata..." Wouldn't Virat have still looked out for her even if she hadn't attempted suicide? Obviously, he would have because he would have realised that he's left his peace of mind back with Sai. They would have still fallen in love even if she had been on her own because he had admitted that he felt 'connection' with her. There was no other way for him to find peace than to marry her and keep her in front of his eyes -- not merely for the zimmedari but for HIM - his own compulsion to ensure that she doesn't 'disconnect' from him in any way.

For Virat, it wasn't "love" for Sai, just like it still isn't. But it was definitely, beyond any doubt, a bond of the soul he felt with Sai -- right from the moment he met her. They were instinctively drawn to each other (not romantically), they were brutally honest yet actually had respect for each other in their minds, their value systems were aligned with each other, they could sense each other like they'd known each other since ages, they trusted each other without second thought from the word go, and MOST IMPORTANT---- they could converse with each other about inane things-- loss, pain, dreams, anger, courage, food and 'connection' and they could talk in loud words and in silence too.

Virat will soon also learn that with Sai around him, he can actually move forward in life -- not only move on but move forward. The energy that she has is enough to propel him to shake him awake when needed. Woh toh abhi she's not even asking for her 'rights'. But Chavan Saheb, ek baar sirf aadha handover karke dekhna. The mutual personal growth that you'll experience will awaken your long forgotten dreams.

Virat has been aware about the 'connection'. That is why, he does not hide his care and his fondness for Sai -- Chakram niwas ki public bhi sab jaanti hai But acknowledging that you love someone enough to seek their love in return comes accompanied by a lot of stuff that can make the bravest of people feel scared and guarded — the fear of rejection, possible pain of a heartbreak, disappointment -- all legitimate fears that act as a barrier.

Aside from the senseless vaada (almost non existent now) the bigger insecurity is his own assumption that Sai hates him and would have never married him had it not been for the circumstances.

We have all been wondering, Does Virat consider her really think of her as 'patni' to point out that she used the word 'pati'. I am going to speak only from my mind: My answer is a resounding 'Yes'. He does. He does not consider her a 'patni' -- it began with the intention of not establishing a conjugal relationship with her yet but he definitely knows, accepts and considers her his 'wife' -- someone he will look out for, reach out to and also stand up for. If he didn't, he wouldn't have been filled with so much conviction at the gruh pravesh, reminding his livid elders that the he has 'married' the girl and brought her home as a 'bahu'. And now, he is actually also seeking that conjugal relationship. It is only a natural progression

I never believed that he said the 'tum doctor ban ne ke baad ye Shaadi chhodhkar chali jaana' in the literal sense. I believe it was said with just as much sincerity as was needed at that moment calm Sai down. He wanted her to know that she will have the freedom to choose to be with him or not in the arrangement they have agreed to, once they are 'equals' because "main baandh kar nahi rakhunga"... And batao toh, who takes on the entire Khandaan for a five-seven year marriage deal? And also gets extremely cautious that no one hears about this 'deal'?

In the moment that he accepted her hand in kanyadaan and then placed the mangalsutra around her neck -- hearing and soaking in the Pandit's words and Sai's questioning eyes about the Pavitra janmon janam ka Bandhan -- their gaze was enough to convey the commitment. And, he did give a 'hamesha hamesha' ka vachan. Set aside all the rubbish they speak about the 'deal', neither of them is going to "leave" the marriage. They might separate due to circumstances but they will not leave -- eternal soulmates never do.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9


Same question mera sai ke liye why she married virat fully aware of t & c of d marriage. I asked for her pov sai ne kuch to socha hoga sadly makers never gave any pov of sai about this marriage , maine janki se bhi pucha tha .

Maine reply bhi kiya tha. I remember... For Sai, he was the only one in the world at that moment who was willing to be with her when her "own so-called extended family" was wanting to get rid of her. She really didn't mind marrying him because she trusted him since she knew Aaba trusted him. Also her own instinct about him was in place. I think I told earlier also, we must not hold their emotional outbursts against them because in grief and anger people say a lot of things they don't mean. Virat also refused to marry her first and then she came out of her house and spoke in a very aggressive tone and very understandably because she was not prepared for marriage, within hours of losing her father. The so-called Kakas were being insensitive and wanted to just push her on to Virat. She would have also been okay not marrying him but then she was lonely. She didn't know how she would live with a possible monster roaming around and her Aaba just gone. There was no motivation to live so she tried to kill herself. People who really attempt suicide do so in their moment of weakness and defeat, not with ulterior motives, unless it is explicitly done to blackmail and then, in that case, it is done in a way where someone will be there to save them. Yes, I agree that we are yet to actually see a PoV of Sai about Virat in general. Except for that one conversation with Aaba's photo after her admission, they have not really given us much into her mind about her marriage.

But one thing is clear: She doesn't like the idea of the deal. She has said okay because she compromised with the situation and accepted his offer as it is. She wanted to hear him say something when she asked him if he loved her? She was disappointed when he did not answer it straight and said, "Nafrat bhi toh nahi karta". She wanted, like any other girl, a marriage of love and why shouldn't she? She now knows that he deeply cares for her and with time she will also realise that he has begun to love her. I think Sai also has the same feelings for him.

Is she possessive about Virat? Of course. Right since the Gadchiroli days. She almost never liked it when he had Pakhi on his mind or phone without even knowing much or having any such feelings or ideas about him. But it was mutual.. something about them had both of them drawn to each other. That is why i call it a soul connection.

You asked me a hypothetical question yesterday about a female colleague. I really don't want to speculate but in the current emotional situation - Sai will feel jealous only if she feels he is giving her undue attention but she will not speak about it. She will taunt him as a joke or sarcasm and it will be for him to figure it out. She will not object, however, if it is just a random female colleague. Not like he did the moment he heard "Aniket".


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Well I very strong believe that this marriage would had not happened if sai had not committed suicide. If I see virat refuse to marry her & left for GC but sai suicide attemp made him return. I can only say sai suicide attempt made him belief that sai can't lead life alone she need someone , if I m right he had seen sai begging villagers to become her family . He was guilty for not able to save KJ sai suicide attempt made it worse & KJ had given Sai's responsibility to him. I wonder what made KJ give Sai's responsibility to virat only.


Virat can't bring sai in CN without marriage nor he can leave her alone as he had seen her action what she is capable of .


Virat had a thinking that his family will react d way they would had reacted d time of karishma thou I m not sure virat was witness of it or not coz only karishma Mohit said they faced humiliation.


He never thought his family will react this way in grahpravesh if u remember he was shocked at behaviour of ninad & really upset d behaviour of d family , that made him ask sai to stand for herself but in a decent way.


Regarding loving someone else , it's not a crime to love someone ye makers ki galti hain ki vo present nhi kar paye virakhi track ko varna marna makers ka idea tha Ki ML was already been in love with a failed relationship

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Roch feeling don't have on off button, aap agree na kare shayad ,virakhi ka relationship attraction mode me tha but virat is not someone who falls for someone only outer Beauty , he is not casonova who fall for every beautiful face, he may had felt connection with pakhi , bu again makers failed to justify it.


At end of d day virat too is human if he will get hurt even he will cry 2.


If u see virar got back 2 back blows with no time to relax in b/w . Samrakhi marriage , Sai's abduction , KJ death , his own guilt , villagers emotional pressure , sai suicide attempt wasd last blow in b/w he dint had time to think much .


He was termed as cheater by d girl he was dreaming with no fault his own as he was never given chance to give his side.


There was no point of fighting for someone who never trusted u on d first place, virat find no reason to fight for pakhi who agree to marry samrat in flick of a moment that's why he choose samrat over pakhi. As per his conversation with samrat he realised samrat really interested in pakhi.


So called vaada was an impulsive move to make pakhi get out of d room as she was not ready to leave.


I hold virat as culprit of samrat as he was no one to decide for samrat but he is not culprit of pakhi. Pakhi is herself responsible of her own misery. Ball was in pakhi's court that to accept or not virat"s deal


Logically pakhi's father kept on telling her back off but that idiot lady dint coz she think pyar paagalpan hota hain.


I can say with guarantee even sai or samrat will ask pakhi why she accepted virat's vaada & why she wanted virat alone for whole life which pakhi's father also asked.


With that vaada also virat was clear he was not planning ema infact he planned to shift to GC after samrat's marriage.

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Originally posted by: neeraja91

Sai's first suicide attempt was driven by immeasurable grief and the desire to just be with her father. End her life so she can join her father. It was am impulsive decision stemming from immeasurable grief not of weakness.

Sai will learn tact and diplomacy with age and from seeing others. Jitna gussa karti hai Sai utna hi Acche se manati hai. Case in point is how she brought pp back home. Actually when required she is smart. In reception scene they showed how she convinced kaku to stay back because she said shivani will take her bed, karishma her mirror and usha her room! Shs knew kaku is materialistic abd cares about shaan/ruthba/etc. The best room in the house must be kaku's.

But aage virat ke influence aur age ke saath she will learn even more tact/wit.

I hope that unlike KD we will never see another suicide attempt from Sai. Now that shes a medical student and has recovered from hee biggest loss- of losing her father i expect her to value human life and her purpose- of being a doctor enough that suicide will never be an option for her.


I agree. There are reasons why Sai is like the way she is and why Virat is like the way he is. They have come together for a reason. Sai has some things to learn from Virat and Virat has a few things that Sai can teach him/make him see.

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I agree. There are reasons why Sai is like the way she is and why Virat is like the way he is. They have come together for a reason. Sai has some things to learn from Virat and Virat has a few things that Sai can teach him/make him see.

Virat is impulsive when it comes to emotions while sai is impulsive when she is fighting for justice. He takes decisions in haste just like he loved pakhi ( not in true sense though) , gave vaada to her and then his outburst during amay track. While sai is equally hurt when he put ice for pakhi or took her side , she wont put it out before him. But her plan of exposing amay was impulsive and put her in grave danger !!! And that's where they both will learn from each other.

We can actually attribute much of this to their upbringing. Sai always had emotional support in form of her father but virat never had one in that house ... Maybe he had with samrat to an extent . He does love his aayi and have a good bond with her but not enough to be emotionally stable. He has bottled up his emotions all his life.

I have said this before and will reiterate again that virat is emotionally weaker of the two !!!!

Will come back to rant the rest in a while

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