Devis bowing before Menaka again !

If the Betiyaan are aspects of the godess Durga and have so much strength to burn a man alive , why were they so silent before the pile of insults that Menaka heaped on them in the hospital ? They have , from day 1 , bowed before Menaka and done Choti Maa, Choti MAA till our stomachs feel sick and never ever bothered to put up a real fight with her . 350 episodes and still it is the same story .

Menaka is responsible in a way for Saraswati's fate ...she broke up Shitij and Saraswati and got Saraswati married to Bhavishya . Menaka was instrumental in them living on the roads when Yuvraj snatched the property . Menaka was lambasting Saraswati saying she brot shame on Garodias etc during Bhavishya phase . She is so openly ruthless and treats Savitri so openly like dirt .....yet Savitri keeps boot licking her and shushing her daughters not to speak .

They get so much anger about a mental patient whose brain isnt functioning normally and who has lost touch with reality and feels Preeti was burnt by Saraswati.....[ Bhavishya] but they dont feel sufficciently aroused in anger against a woman who insults them so badly with all her mental faculties intact and has to date snatched snatched and only snatched from them....[ Menaka]. Not only that , after the snatching , she has been instrumental in insulting SAvitri always . Why this bowing down before Menaka ? Is the Durga roop only with men ....not with horrible women ?

Why does Savitri shush up her daughters ? She herself says not one word to Menaka and teaches her daughters not to be spirited but weak . And why do the daughters listen to Savitri as if they dont have a mind of their own ? They r young married women now ....watz this Bapuji and Maa shushing them thing ?

I am sure any normal girl wud keep quiet till she was a girl but if she was a woman and still saw her mom being insulted she wud put her foot down and say till now i kept quiet but plz dont talk to my mom like that and she wud fite with the likes of Menaka by citing sum real bad examples of her own . Thats called putting up a fite . Why shud one be cowed down only coz its ur grandmother , or aunt or step mom when u know they r harassing and hiurting ur mom wrongly and it has been same scenario for years ?

What Menakaben Menakaben yaar ? Show us some hard back answers in the family and a solid verbal fite with Menaka in which she is stripped totally .....we r tired of this ! And plz dont try to con us by saying its not good sanskaars and indian culture ....there is nothing wrong in standing up against what is wrong if it done by elders ....our culture was the first to teach the world that !

I implore the creatives to give us episodes of the betiyaan putting up fights with Menaka , fulki and Baa and stopping this charade of good sanskars .

Very well-stated, koolsadhu1000. I really enjoy reading your comments. Wish the scriptwriters could take a few minutes out of their time spent in script-writing and read your topics. You could truly be an inspiration to them 😆 ... seriously! 😉

As I read your comments about Menka, I had the same feelings about Kajri. Betiyaan felt that it was highly necessary to take an action against a mentally disturbed patient, who couldn't tell from right or wrong, but thought it is okay to let that sane, evil-minded schemer [Kajri] to continue her deeds. Garodias have repeatedly allowed her to plot against them but none of the 'devis' were ever hell-bent on getting rid of her as they were with Bhavishya. They never went into their 'devi-mode' to kick Kajri out for good. All we see against her are strong bhashans from one Garodia after another.. telling her "mujhse burra koi na hoga" as Kajri stupidly blinks and moments later, goes back to her conspiracy.

Yet again the Garodias have made a blunder by allowing Kajri to harm Niyati. Yuvraj knew that it was Kajri who spilled the oil on the stairs, plotting to make her fall and lose her baby. But all he does is warn her as if that will make her repent and she'll discontinue her dirty deeds. 😕

In the last episode, Menka says to Kajri in the hospital, "If something happens to my grandchild, I will punish you before God does." The next minute, I watch her put complete blame on Savitri. All the Betiyaan were shown, one by one, giving obnoxious bhashans to Kajri in the hospital that they can't compromise with their brother's happiness, they can't see him sad, Kajri has committed a BAHUT BADA paap, blah, blah.. but none of them had enough sense or strength to stand up to Menka when their mother was being scolded and accused by her right in front them. If you listen to their lectures in the hospital to Kajri, it will bore you out of your mind and make you laugh at their stupidity. You know, Lakshmi's exact words to Kajri were, "YOU not only hurted Yuvraj or the Garodia parivaar but also the one who hasn't yet step foot in this world." What other words needed to drift in her 'smart' brain for her to BELIEVE what she was saying? All four of the Betiyaan sounded like they knew deep inside that Kajri is the real culprit. Its like they showoff their ability to intellect but they don't realize it or ponder their words.

It felt terrible watching Savitri who ridiculously started to cry as Menka was blaming her. At times, she also stood silent and looked down as if feeling ashamed for something she hasn't done. I too wanted her to put her foot down and say, "Look, Niyati is not a child whom I could force to hold my finger and walk with me." There is a fine line between courage and foolishness. If Savitri continues to be weak-minded like this, she herself will be giving Menka the opportunity to overpower her everytime.

Prestigious u hit the nail on the head with the kajri point .

Kajri has been harassing them on par with Bhavishya ....she looted them moneywise , wrecked Yuvrajs happiness , has connection with gundas , threw Menaka in kotha , tried to make the house a kotha , called over sleazy men to the house who commented cheaply on the girls , made threat calls to saraswati to psyche her , and is perfectly capable of even murder , given her gunda contacts.
She is not really a woman who can be dealt with in a normal way , within boundaries . To deal with Kajri one has to break boundaries . So why didnt the Betiyaan surround her , slap her around , and threaten her with sum unethical means if she was seen around the house again? Why didnt they use Dev and some strong armed men to force her to sign back the property and then kick her out ? Is there really any other way of dealing with Kajri?

From day one the Betiyaan have been keeping silent in front of Menaka....and at Savitri's behest . It is not Surya alone who is responsible for Savitri's fate ....it is Savitri herself and the daughters who listen to her as if she was the gospel truth . Not one daughter tells her NO ill talk , it stifles me to keep quiet like this .No individual thinking....no individual personality .

They r not at all obliged to keep quiet in front of Menaka . I mean why this attempt to even love her for dads sake when she took everything from them and is clearly ungrateful even after they helped her in crisis ? What exactly r these breaking points ? And how can one watch ur mom being maligned and insulted like this yaar ?

They constantly talk of Durga roop as they r Hindus . And being gujrathis their family god is , as Baa says ' Murari' [ Krishna] . Well , Murari or krishna has clearly said in the Gita that if the elders r wrong , u have to fight them . What matters is standing up for the right .....it doesnt matter if it is an elder who is doing wrong . It is very very surprising that inspite of being gujratis they r not acquainted with Sri krishna's philosophy .

Fulki needs a solid lambasting from some one [ ideally Surya but that will never happen] ....Menaka needs to hear some home truths and Baa , a sound talking to if she sides with such rubbish . So niyati went out alone ...so what yaar ? Thousands of women go to work till the last day of their pregnancy . Sitting at home , not lifting the butt or not going out alone for walks can be reallu quiet unhealthy . And Niyati is not a kid to be controlled by Savitri !
As i say ....no progressive thinking , regressive thinking and uneducated messages to the masses even about pregnancy .

I am sorry but I have to disagree with the Kajri point

To quote you every-one is responsible for one's own action……

Kajri is herself – she's a prostitute and mixes with people who have a different set of values and as a result she has a set of values that is not consistent with the Garodia, so everything she has done is consistent with the values she has. I agree in order to deal with her you will have to break your boundaries and values or you have to use what is in place - the law. Of course the law is something that can be compromise but again it's up to you. You have to be careful of changing your values because you can become what you hate. To teach a murderer do you murder him?

Then what separates you from him. Remember life is about choices.

I blame Yuvraj for everything – he brought Kajri into the family knowing fully well what she was. Didn't he pass her off as a princess knowing she was a 'prostitute'? No one destroyed his happiness. After the family found out she was a prostitute and Yuvraj played he didn't know. He allowed that woman to humiliate his family and father. He allowed his wife to humiliate his mother. He allowed his sister Gauri to spend a night in jail. To Kajri - Yuvraj showed he had her values. Why should she change – what example of goodness has she seen. Yuvraj – Oh what a sterling character, Menka – a selfish woman who has showed that she only has her own self-interest at heart. Hulki and Pulki – changes as the wind changes again self-interest… Bapuji - I am sorry discards one wife for another then discards again... Savitri – a good wife discarded because she cannot have a boy child.

Yuvraj sisters were doing everything to save him from Kajri. Setting her up with Dev as the 'prince'. So, he became good……It's like a man who was unfaithful - the wife blames the other woman. When she should blame her husband because he humiliated her as he knew her, loved her cared about her, the other woman is a stranger. Yuvraj allowed Kajri to do what she did. Strangers don't walk into your house and humiliate you they only do that with a family member permission.

For all that Yuvraj has done he has gotten off in fact he got rewarded he got a new wife…
The Garodia has gotten Kajri….Who owns the remaining property?

Let's face it the entire Garodia family showed for an entire period of the family history that Savitri and daughters were second class citizen – Ok boy children were better but did they have to go to the lengths they did….What an example for Kajri?

The burning - Savatri, Sarawati etc. may have had justifiable reasons for doing what they did. But I would like to hear when Saraswati's child reaches an age of understanding how someone explains that your mother killed your father…

Again I blame the Garodia family for everything. According to the family Saraswati was traumatised by the Bhavisha individual – so seeing Ranveer face day-in-day out was a living reminder of that part of her life. That in itself would have drove any body insane. But the family expected her to grin and bear it. Then when it was convenient they all remember how he traumatised her. I even blamed Ranveer when Sarawati went to the mental hospital he lied and said he was Bavisha. When Karan found out about Durga – he had evidence, why didn't he plan some elaborate plot to catch all the culprits? I agree the great lesson would have been to catch the doctor etc.

Savitri has the values that was instill in her, her husband's is God. A wife touches a husband feet. Nothing's wrong with that – if that's your values. For X number of years who were discarded by your husband because you couldn't have a boy child. You accepted that you have to stay in the house because you have no where else to go – divorce is unacceptable to society.

Savitri is an abused wife – she was mentally abused how do you overcome that. In fact all those women have been abused hungry for affection from their father.

Being told you are "stupid", "ugly", "lazy" or "worthless" is never acceptable. The first times you hear it, it will hurt, naturally. In time you "may get used to" hearing it from a partner. That's when you start to internalise and believe it. When that happens you are doing the other person's work of putting you down for them. This is why your feelings of self-worth suffer increasingly over time.
For years Savitri would have been a good wife, why did it take Menka's defect for her husband to see her worth.

You mention 'Devi' what I saw was a botched job – if the job was to protect Sarswati from Bhavishma then it failed. I was watching the USA episode of the burning episode and when Bapuji arrived and he asked what happened Savitri said "Saraswati burned Bhavishym" She did not say we burned him. The only person I felt sorry for is Saraswati. I agree with you if they have broken the bounds that chain them they can deal with anyone.

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judyp....
I am not judging Kajri here . I agree fully that she is a product of her circumstances . She is what she went thru .
Similiarly I am not saying Yuvraj is not to be blamed ....infact , if u have read any of my former posts when the yuvraj kajri track was on ....i had asked in each of my posts why Yuvraj shud go scot free with simply repentance ....the Garodias made a big hoo haa of Karan and forgave their own blood pretty quickly when his own crimes ver far worse than kajri's.

What I am saying in this post is , if the Betiyaan have decided to resort to the so called Durga roop ....is it only against men ? Or dangerous women like Kajri or Menaka ? They dont seem to do anything about it . They have been unsuccesful in kicking Kajri out , and they rush to love and forgive Menaka , always giving her the upper hand . Why ????

Tell me one thing . In what way is living with Kajri diffrent and less dangerous then living with Bhavishya ? She , like him , has gunda contacts . She had thrown a middle aged woman ....Menaka on the kotha .....what can she do to young women like the betiyaan , of the family ? She can get them raped , for goodness sakes ! She even wanted to turn the house in a kotha .
Ousting Kajri from the house is self defence ....one need not kill kajri for that . One can coerce her into signing away the papers and fling her out . For this one will have to break boundaries ....stage a drama. Well , Betiyaan killed bhavishya, then this drama is nothing , right ?
Also Menaka. The betiyaan not only tolerate her nonsense ....they even hide it at times from Surya giving ghar ki shaanti as the reason. Menaka is even worse than kajri . Fulki talks so much nonsense ....she is never given an ultimatum . Baa sides with wrong people ...she is never reminded for her mistakes . And the reason for all this tolerance is that they r elders and this is not our culture ?

Does following ur culture and respecting elders mean tolerating crap from elders even if they r wrong ? Who said that ? Sri krishna ...the Murari that Baa keeps talking about ....clearly tells the opposite . He told arjuna to fight the battle and stand up even against elders as they were on the side of wrong and he was right . What is important is being right and not being ashamed of it.

Instead of imagining themselves to be Devis why dont they follow this simple philosophy of their family god ?
Btw they constantly call Kajri a kothewaali kothewaali with sneers and contempt . Ousting Kajri from the house as she is dangerous is one thing.....feeling contempt for her coz she is a prostitute is another . R all prostitutes this bad ? And frankly , do they opt to be prostitutes or r they forced to be ? I think a real Devi Maa wud embrace a prostitute as my child ....she never shows partiality in her children whatever class they belong to ....at the same time , a real Devi Maa wud never tolerate atrocities from elders but put them straight with firm mindedness and a no nonsense attitude .

Their so called understanding of Indian values is all misplaced , Im afraid. Indian values dont tell u to tolerate crap like this and resort to breaking points ....in fact they urge u to find the fine line between self respect and ego and to define it clearly .

This is what my post is about . 😊

If they are following this rational/reasoning for the death of Bhavishya then it should be against all evil doers. But how much of the true nature of Menka and Kajri are the Betiyaan aware of. Let's put aside what we aware of. From the Betiyaan's point of view Menka's daughter –in-law has being injured; her grand-child may be dead. She's lashing out making false accusations because she's hurting. Is there anything evil in that? That's human nature we all do that (Well I do that sometimes). All her plotting has been hidden, so why should they suspect her of evil. Morally it might be wrong. But they the Betiyaan's have been conditioned to accept this in fact I am sure when they were small and they ran to their father seeking his help, he most certainly blame them. What are they going to achieve by telling their father about Menka, remember when all is said and done she's Yuraj's mother.

When she plotted to take away the property she was punished by her own son and had to beg for forgiveness. Her husband still has not forgiven her; she has lost her place in his life to Savitri. Are they aware of her plotting with Kajri? Are they aware as they were about Bhavishya? We are aware of the things she did behind the scene, but are they aware?

Let's also make the distinction in this family and other serial family wrt step mothers. They are respected and treated as their own mothers in fact sometimes the other mothers are revered more – to show how noble or good you are. Sometimes I believe that the serials have two sets of rules for different criminals. If you are a family member and you have committed a crime we will keep it in the family while if you are a criminal and not related to the family you are going to be punished. Hence Bhavishya versus Menka.

Agreed Kajri is dangerous because of the lengths she can go to, but can the Betiyaan's go to those lengths. I still think the creatives have not thought this through. What has Kajri really done to the family? She has taken away the property but that's Yuvraj and his father's punishment for what they have done. He should get back the property but agreed if the Betiyaans are being portrayed as Devis then they should right that wrong. She attempted to marry Yuvraj but that's an atrocity to him not the Betiyaans. Or is it that any issue is their issue. If that's the case then every-one else is useless. If they are Devis then they might believe so.

They have showed fight fire with fire. So, Bhavishya was burned because he burned and tortured Saraswati. Now Kajri has murdered Yuraj's unborn child and ensured that Nayti can't have child then what we should have is the Betiyaan taking revenge by killing that child and ensuring Kajri cannot have children in the future.

I agree with you your point on elders, should some one deal in drugs if there father is a drug dealer. I don't believe scriptures were laid down for people to follow blindly some-one because they are older. I believe society thinks because some-one is an elder they are right. That's a dream world. How do you justify blindly doing things that are wrong? We are responsible for our own action.

Every-one has choices do I do this/that and I will face the consequences. To be honest I find some things vin this serial very hypocritical.

To be honest personally deciding to be a prostitute is an individual choice it might be seen as morally wrong but circumstances drive people to do things. Can a mother see her child hungry? So hating some-one for whom or what they are wrong. A judger is a sinner.
Sometimes I think these serial portrays good people as door-mats when that's not true. You can be good and speak your mind.

judyp

It is not necessary for the Betiyaan to know of the current plottings going on behind their back to stand up for their mother facing the same crappy insults flung on her face as they have a history with this woman called Menaka who gave them and their mom the status of sum secondary family members and made their lives horrible throughout their life . Not knowing a few current plots is not really needed at all . Throughout this woman has harassed their mom this way only and they jolly well know it as they have witnessed it all their lives , right upto the point that she lambasted saraswati for defaming the garodias in the bhavishya matter and stood there coldly and unsympathetically.....inspite of saraswati giving her shelter in her time of need . They know what Menaka is as much as the viewers do .

Laxmi had shielded Menaka from Surya's wrath although she had red handed proof that it was Menaka who had exchanged the gifts for Saraswati's sasuraal with empty boxes ....and the reason she had given then , inspite of watching her mom insulted day and night by that woman was ....why spoil the atmosphere of our house . Which was , i felt , a crappy and stupid reason as her crime was not so crappy and definetely not stupid .

Same with Kajri . They may not know Kajris current schemes but till yesterday this woman has done everything .....right from robbing their wealth , tricking their brother , bringing gundas in the house , making her motherinlaw dress in kotha clothes and dance [ a most shameful unforgivable act] , kidnapping her own mother inlaw to be sold on kotha [ a felony ] bringing lewd men to comment on the young ladies in the
house....terrorizing Saraswati with anonymous phone calls , creating obstacles and threatening in Niyati's marraige . Knowledge of current plots is not needed to be wary of Kajri or Menaka at all ....what is needed is firm mindedness and practical judgement of human character as human nature hardly changes.

Dealing with Kajri the same way she dealt with Niyati ....killing Kajri's child isnt the answer . But using force to make Kajri sign away her share of the property , even her rights over her child so that she cannot use it as an asset to emotionally bblackmail the Garrodias ....and giving that child to Yuv and Niyati [ if Niyati with big heart accepts it] is definetely an option . This wud be best punishment for the evil whore .

Similiarly , firmly dealing with Menaka whenever she opens her mouth [ or halki for that matter ] ....is also an option . Menaka talks so much coz she is unused to opposition . When she is blocked by firm rejoinders she will think thrice before opening her mind . The message that no one messes with our mom shud be given to her in prportinate doses , right in front of baa and surya as they too r not gods but faulty human beings .

It is not wrong to be a prostitute by profes
sion ....it can be ones majboori or ones unfortunate choice .There r many prostitutes who r good human beings .....the objection to Kajri shud not be coz she is a kothewaali but coz she is an evil human . Same with Menaka ....as they r both on par . Just as Kajri does not become evil only coz of her profession , Baa and Menaka dont become great and unstoppable only coz of their ages and relationship status . Betiyaan must get their values straight .

It was good to read some criticisms here!

I'm going to oversimplify here but I think the points are very much true:

This show is about the strength of women, mother-daughter
relationships, and how women manage the expectations put on them by
father, brother, any other male relative, mother, step-mother (oops, is
saying this a faux-pas? choti maa), grandmother etc--everything and
everyone except the greater society they are part of and what they feel is
inherently, right vs. wrong, good vs. bad, shameful, and inconsistent with
their own values as a human being and individual

Hence, this show that's supposed to be about the strength of women as
critical building blocks in families is about ABUSE, SUBJUGATING THEIR
OWN THOUGHTS and DESIRES AND PRIDE without questioning right and
wrong in the here and now. It tells us that women like Savitri are to be
revered. To that I say yes and no. While I admire her love for her family,
she has the mental/relationship IQ that borders on retarded. Where's her
strength to state the truth, and to give her husband or Menka a tirade, to
stand up for herself? Where is that strength to pass onto her daughters?
Where is her self-respect as a human being and woman? And the show
cannot give us the same BS---that women in the show are strong. How
exactly are they strong? OH YES, I forgot--they're strong because not
only others but they themselves keep themselves down. They self-
sacrifice for others. They're happy seeing the family happy. And to show
women who are "strong", they show the maa from hell--Menaka, and for
the coup d'etat, a PROSTITUTE? Hence, does being strong necessitate
being loud, vicious, selfish, conniving, or prostituting themselves for
money?

These are such negative connotations around strength. LET'S CALL A
SPADE, A SPADE. Since the time it originally aired, Betiyaan has been
about TRADITIONAL VALUES AND TRADITIONAL ROLES FOR WOMEN. It
makes the self-sacrificing housewife watch it on the TV feel like they are
strong and superior, and true to their culture.

So, unfortunately, this show has NEVER really been about strength and
positivity in its other forms (e.g. working, helping/taking care of parents,
traveling, and speaking up and setting wrongs right). It's sycophantic to
its female and male viewers AND to what people WANT to see from
women in their lives.

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

If the Betiyaan are aspects of the godess Durga and have so much strength to burn a man alive , why were they so silent before the pile of insults that Menaka heaped on them in the hospital ? They have , from day 1 , bowed before Menaka and done Choti Maa, Choti MAA till our stomachs feel sick and never ever bothered to put up a real fight with her . 350 episodes and still it is the same story .

Menaka is responsible in a way for Saraswati's fate ...she broke up Shitij and Saraswati and got Saraswati married to Bhavishya . Menaka was instrumental in them living on the roads when Yuvraj snatched the property . Menaka was lambasting Saraswati saying she brot shame on Garodias etc during Bhavishya phase . She is so openly ruthless and treats Savitri so openly like dirt .....yet Savitri keeps boot licking her and shushing her daughters not to speak .

They get so much anger about a mental patient whose brain isnt functioning normally and who has lost touch with reality and feels Preeti was burnt by Saraswati.....[ Bhavishya] but they dont feel sufficciently aroused in anger against a woman who insults them so badly with all her mental faculties intact and has to date snatched snatched and only snatched from them....[ Menaka]. Not only that , after the snatching , she has been instrumental in insulting SAvitri always . Why this bowing down before Menaka ? Is the Durga roop only with men ....not with horrible women ?

Why does Savitri shush up her daughters ? She herself says not one word to Menaka and teaches her daughters not to be spirited but weak . And why do the daughters listen to Savitri as if they dont have a mind of their own ? They r young married women now ....watz this Bapuji and Maa shushing them thing ?

I am sure any normal girl wud keep quiet till she was a girl but if she was a woman and still saw her mom being insulted she wud put her foot down and say till now i kept quiet but plz dont talk to my mom like that and she wud fite with the likes of Menaka by citing sum real bad examples of her own . Thats called putting up a fite . Why shud one be cowed down only coz its ur grandmother , or aunt or step mom when u know they r harassing and hiurting ur mom wrongly and it has been same scenario for years ?

What Menakaben Menakaben yaar ? Show us some hard back answers in the family and a solid verbal fite with Menaka in which she is stripped totally .....we r tired of this ! And plz dont try to con us by saying its not good sanskaars and indian culture ....there is nothing wrong in standing up against what is wrong if it done by elders ....our culture was the first to teach the world that !

I implore the creatives to give us episodes of the betiyaan putting up fights with Menaka , fulki and Baa and stopping this charade of good sanskars .

awesome really liked da way u put it in words why cant da scrptwriters have sm sense in them cant ppl see menka doing all absurd things n yet slips out so easily now dis secret thing i doubt iska bhi kisi ko pata nahic halne wala