Forgiving who and by whom - Page 3

Originally posted by: silkyarora

Well said di......!
Agreed with each and evry point u said.....!
Nice post......hope everything u said is noticed by the cv's......!

Question is not if would have forgive or forget ....Point is if its right thing to do if you believe in it........

Its personal belief what you believe what you follow. If you follow forgiveness to one culprit you follow same rules to others your rule doesn't change accordingly if person is ur life or not. Who is on other side doesn't change your prospective about what set of belief you follow in life and if it does than you never had strong values or beliefs.

(for example like Dadi she has no values for me please dont contest that with me

IF you fight against female abuse rape domestic violence and let that criminal free if he is your relative than you are hypocrite. Similarly if you give lecture on forgiveness and don't have big heart to forgive your own husband than also you are defined as hypocrite. Its what you belief. Forgiving or not is based on person's own nature and not on the one who is on opposite side. If you can forgive one not other for whatever reason than its simple you never believed in true essence of it.

Sorry to say geet preach something else follow something else and her rules changes for worst for MAAN.

As everyone here has short term memory lets take aroute to past . MSK was insulted by Geet in front of media called as.........traitor, abuser, no self respect guy who is using her for Dev '.........for forgiving his brother for his sins'( when it was misconception not actual truth ).and ........But when same question asked from other side.............and this verbal spat was just in 3 of them. for actually forgiving sinner ( no misconception) . When he questions her self respect .He was declared as inhuman and other as God. My question is why not anyone ask same question when she questioned his self respect and integritiy in front of all not once not twice but thrice. Even in anger he used that statement only once. Unless geet answer his query this question about self respect was genuine from his side. So instead of packing bags shouldn't she be waiting for him in bedroom for one nice communication to fill the gap. When last time MSK tried his best even after media spat to tell him truth.

Why not she did same this time. .IF she really wanted a new life and move on applies that large than life concept of forgive and forget to her own rapist for their new life. Why she dint do same thing to MSK right there. Why she didn't forgive him and forget better right there. Afterall rapinf self respect if deserve forgiveness a statement on self respect definitely earn forgiveness right there. ?

WHY the girl who is doing all this for MSK sake and their new life. Took such big step of forgiving rapist for new life'didn't thought of twice of forgiving ur own husband. ( really bad one actually who stood by you in your lows, pampered you , gave you respect, accepted your child like his own, saved ur life innumerable times, gave you repect you always expected from your family, rapist your never got one)

Why not she think of forgiving MSK for same new life for which you give pardon to your own rapist.?

Why forgiving rapist is divine forgiving your husband is question to self respect?

Why Dev is still scottfree without any scar for his deeds and MSK walked on coal for one line?

Why self respect is so delusional or fictional to all of you, that you change its aspects and meaning entirely to suit it for Geet?

Originally posted by: delhigirl

DISCLAIMER: please do not come to bash me. This is what i feel and if you do not like it, ignore my post. I will really appreciate it

I wanted to see who needs to ask forgiveness and who needs to give it -

1) Yes maan said harsh words to geet. but then geet also forgave dev without even talking to maan about it and then allowed him to put color on her. Both hurt each other and each others self-respect - EQUAL footing for both

2) Both geet and maan lost the baby. They both had equal involvement with the baby, so the pain is also same - EQUAL

3) moving ahead in life after the baby was a logical step and both wanted it - nothing to do with dev - EQUAL

4)Geet forgave dev but maan never asked for it - DISCREPANCY

5) Geet wanted to start a new life by forgiving dev, maan does not think it was required. Infact both moved ahead in life when they married each other - so it was of no importance whether dev was forgiven or not - DISCREPANCY

Well said....my thoughts here .She had moved on long back , come out from the shadows of her dark past when she broke away from her family, when she loved Maan, when she told him about her being pregnant, when she learnt Dev is Maan's brother, when she married Maan, when she had her miscarriage & when she wanted to start her family with Maan.
So forgiving Dev now was more a 'whim' of the moment than necessity.

6) According to geet, she forgave Dev because she did not want past to be there in her present. however, dev living under the same roof will only keep her past 24 hours in their face. maan always wanted dev to be out of geet's face - DISCREPANCY

when she had questioned his 'Self respect, Honor & Blood' & later on realization of her own mistakes had come to apologize he had stopped her & asked her 'Can You forgive Me for being Dev's brother? Or will I always remind You that he had broken Your trust & hence I too will walk same path?'
He had then let her free to decide & she had come to him at her own will & said her past does not affect her anymore as his love has healed all her wounds. If that was true then again its not necessity given that Maan had already put rules to keep Dev away from her line of vision, when I blame Dev & Dadi for not following it ..I blame Geet more given it was done only for her.

7) Geet being able to forgive her rapist but not her loving husband - huge DISCREPANCY. i also do not buy the argument that she is unable to forgive because harsh words were said by the one person who mattered to her - I simply don't understand that. I will forgive any harsh words or hurt that the person who loves me the most in an instant, because he matters. I will never be able to forgive a person who did a crime against me esp. because he does not matter to me. he is not important.

She loves him hence his words hurt her beyond repair he knew but as the harsh words coming from him affected her why dint she feel his pain too. As he was moved with the thought of her pain dint she feel his heart break, his fears when he had said those words to her, or the torment he went through in reaching her.She could afford to lose him for forever but not not give themselves another chance that he deserved.

8) Maan realising his mistake and going to all these lenghts to apologise - for me now he is in the clear. I do not think he needs to do anything more - BONUS

Yes coz to him its she first..if she is hurt he is ready to let go all his hurt & want only to sooth her pain

9) Geet not even admitting her mistake and not apologising for it😕

so in the end i will say that both made mistakes, who made bigger is anyone's POV. so both need to apologise and maan has done that. Now it is geet's turn to do so and then it will bring her on an equal footing with maan.

Yes geet has been a victim but she cannot live like one all her life and in the process victimize the only person who matters to her

Originally posted by: kuls11

what post Kay....My reply from other post..........an please anyone if you have come up with idea.....she has bad past........MC.....dont give me that........I am giving my opnion............which I am entitile too..............

Question is not if would have forgive or forget ....Point is if its right thing to do if you believe in it........

Its personal belief what you believe what you follow. If you follow forgiveness to one culprit you follow same rules to others your rule doesn't change accordingly if person is ur life or not. Who is on other side doesn't change your prospective about what set of belief you follow in life and if it does than you never had strong values or beliefs.

(for example like Dadi she has no values for me please dont contest that with me

IF you fight against female abuse rape domestic violence and let that criminal free if he is your relative than you are hypocrite. Similarly if you give lecture on forgiveness and don't have big heart to forgive your own husband than also you are defined as hypocrite. Its what you belief. Forgiving or not is based on person's own nature and not on the one who is on opposite side. If you can forgive one not other for whatever reason than its simple you never believed in true essence of it.

Sorry to say geet preach something else follow something else and her rules changes for worst for MAAN.

As everyone here has short term memory lets take aroute to past . MSK was insulted by Geet in front of media called as.........traitor, abuser, no self respect guy who is using her for Dev '.........for forgiving his brother for his sins'( when it was misconception not actual truth ).and ........But when same question asked from other side.............and this verbal spat was just in 3 of them. for actually forgiving sinner ( no misconception) . When he questions her self respect .He was declared as inhuman and other as God. My question is why not anyone ask same question when she questioned his self respect and integritiy in front of all not once not twice but thrice. Even in anger he used that statement only once. Unless geet answer his query this question about self respect was genuine from his side. So instead of packing bags shouldn't she be waiting for him in bedroom for one nice communication to fill the gap. When last time MSK tried his best even after media spat to tell him truth.

Why not she did same this time. .IF she really wanted a new life and move on applies that large than life concept of forgive and forget to her own rapist for their new life. Why she dint do same thing to MSK right there. Why she didn't forgive him and forget better right there. Afterall rapinf self respect if deserve forgiveness a statement on self respect definitely earn forgiveness right there. ?

WHY the girl who is doing all this for MSK sake and their new life. Took such big step of forgiving rapist for new life'didn't thought of twice of forgiving ur own husband. ( really bad one actually who stood by you in your lows, pampered you , gave you respect, accepted your child like his own, saved ur life innumerable times, gave you repect you always expected from your family, rapist your never got one)

Why not she think of forgiving MSK for same new life for which you give pardon to your own rapist.?

Why forgiving rapist is divine forgiving your husband is question to self respect?

Why Dev is still scottfree without any scar for his deeds and MSK walked on coal for one line?

Why raping your self respect is forgivable and question on self respect is not and deserve punishment like this?

Why self respect is so delusional or fictional to all of you, that you change its aspects and meaning entirely to suit it for Geet?

Originally posted by: nanditasingh

Awesome post Kay ...my inputs in red

Originally posted by: ria_sengupta

Kay-fabulous post-agree with each and every word u said...................

Kuls- agree with everything u said

what did i see in one comment- Now, some people r almost accusing MSK of trying to kill geet?!🤣......how far can people go in defending geet....

MSK sent geet to the Archive......not attic, by the way😆...........so that he stayed away from her......................................he did not even know the exact condition of the room.......also pls note.there were windows and a fan in the room......................geet could hv opened the windows..she surely would not hv suffocated..

actually can't believe i am writing about doors and windows,.but kya kare.i also can't believe the extent to which some people can blame Maan......................................😆

Originally posted by: pippa

@delhigirl

Good points.

I agree with you on your 7th point.... people say a lot of harsh things to one another and even not so harsh ones but hurtful nonetheless.

And the recipient has all the right in the world to be upset and angry.

These sort of things happen very often in a marriage.....but once the person who spoke harshly apologises and so pleadingly like Maan did, it is very easy to forgive....you may remember the incident thereafter but it won't be as painful.

So, i feel, here Geet should have accepted his apology....but, since the track demands otherwise, it cannot be done.


However, I can't agree with your first point that Geet ought to have discussed forgiving Dev after consulting Maan.

In my POV, it was Geet who was a victim of Dev's fraud..she suffered the most for it....so it's entirely up to her to forgive Dev. If you remember, she never had the chance to discuss anything with Maan and under the circumstances, she did the right thing by trying to tell Maan about it who didn't want to listen.

The bottomline: both made mistakes and under the normal circumstance such a loving couple like Maanet would have forgiven each other and forgotten it all and probably had their SR by now and may well have started the much wanted baby by now.

Unfortunately, the script demanded otherwise and so we have this very unconvincing angry Geet and pleading Maan!