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Posted: 12 years ago
#51
This was so heart touching and beautiful...The last part made me cry .. <3

What else can we do now , except for imagining ? *sigh*

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hey Rima,

You write beautifully as always. But I don't believe Arnav called her characterless because she was in the arms of another man hence doubting her fidelity. I think it was because she was in the arms of Shyam --- a man married to his beloved sister. There is a difference.

We have to remember that love had not been established between the two at this point ie; neither had confessed to the other. It was still in a "budding" stage. You know how things can be corrupted at a budding stage.

Later on after they were married thier "mature" love went through hurdles like Sheetal where Khushi stood by him inspite of doubts and Arnav stood by Khushi when she wanted to pariticipate in the Mrs India contest.

Coming back to when their love was still in a nacent stage ---

When Khushi explained about Shyam and Arnav did not believe her she had two choices

--Stay back and prove to him that she was innocent

--Leave him to figure it out for himself

She took the first one without even realizing why exactly. After Arnav was kidnapped she finally realized that she taken all the trouble only because she loved him immensely. It takes a strong woman to do what she did. And she stands vidicated because she proved him wrong.NOW THE LOVE HAS GONE FROM BUD TO A FLOWER STAGE AND THIS IS WHEN HE NEEDS TO BEG HER FORGIVENESS.

If she had taken the second option then after Arnav comes to know of her innocence he would be the one to go after her to prove that he truly loves her. AGAIN THE LOVE WILL PROGRESS FROM BUD TO A FLOWER STAGE AND THIS IS WHEN SHE WOULD FORGIVE HIM AND COME BACK TO HIM.


Redemption from Arnav's side should have been established in either case but the fault lies in the writing.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: charlotte74

Hey Rima,

You write beautifully as always. But I don't believe Arnav called her characterless because she was in the arms of another man hence doubting her fidelity. I think it was because she was in the arms of Shyam --- a man married to his beloved sister. There is a difference.

We have to remember that love had not been established between the two at this point ie; neither had confessed to the other. It was still in a "budding" stage. You know how things can be corrupted at a budding stage.

Later on after they were married thier "mature" love went through hurdles like Sheetal where Khushi stood by him inspite of doubts and Arnav stood by Khushi when she wanted to pariticipate in the Mrs India contest.

Coming back to when their love was still in a nacent stage ---

When Khushi explained about Shyam and Arnav did not believe her she had two choices

--Stay back and prove to him that she was innocent

--Leave him to figure it out for himself

She took the first one without even realizing why exactly. After Arnav was kidnapped she finally realized that she taken all the trouble only because she loved him immensely. It takes a strong woman to do what she did. And she stands vidicated because she proved him wrong.NOW THE LOVE HAS GONE FROM BUD TO A FLOWER STAGE AND THIS IS WHEN HE NEEDS TO BEG HER FORGIVENESS.

If she had taken the second option then after Arnav comes to know of her innocence he would be the one to go after her to prove that he truly loves her. AGAIN THE LOVE WILL PROGRESS FROM BUD TO A FLOWER STAGE AND THIS IS WHEN SHE WOULD FORGIVE HIM AND COME BACK TO HIM.


Redemption from Arnav's side should have been established in either case but the fault lies in the writing.

agree love was not confessed
but did Arnav even know Khushi the woman that he suspected her of such a henious crime?
If he did not then was it love or just attraction?
Moreover the whole idea of she giving 'proof' is crass
not in this day and age
I am sick and tired f our mythological stories emphasising only the woman shud be virtuous
men have to be virtuous too
I have excused Arnav many things
but not the characterless dialogue
because a woman's virtue
is not a thing that can ever be 'proven'
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Posted: 12 years ago
#54
too good 👏
Edited by sugi_Arshi_8 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: rima

agree love was not confessed
but did Arnav even know Khushi the woman that he suspected her of such a henious crime?
If he did not then was it love or just attraction?
Moreover the whole idea of she giving 'proof' is crass
not in this day and age
I am sick and tired f our mythological stories emphasising only the woman shud be virtuous
men have to be virtuous too
I have excused Arnav many things
but not the characterless dialogue
because a woman's virtue
is not a thing that can ever be 'proven'


Again ... love was in the nascent stage ie; progressed from an attraction to a stage where he cared enough to be shaken when he thought she might have died in that accident.
But love was not mature enough to withstand the following.

He heard her saying "Chod di jiye anjaliji ko" right after the hug. He believed they were having an affair.
This henious crime happened at a very crucial juncture of his sister's pregnancy. He had to act fast.
In his view a woman who is having an affair with a married man does not have "character"

Khushi had a choice not to prove anything to him. She could have walked away from Arnav when he refused to believe her side of the story but she did not.

Again I repeat that Arnav was not suspecting Khushi's virtue but he definitely suspected her character of being a home wrecker.

Do you think he would have called her characterless if he had seen her hugging NK instead?

If he had done that then I agree that it is very chauvinistic of him to expect her to be "pure" when he himself wanted to live-in with a woman.




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Posted: 12 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: charlotte74


Again ... love was in the nascent stage ie; progressed from an attraction to a stage where he cared enough to be shaken when he thought she might have died in that accident.
But love was not mature enough to withstand the following.

He heard her saying "Chod di jiye anjaliji ko" right after the hug. He believed they were having an affair.
This henious crime happened at a very crucial juncture of his sister's pregnancy. He had to act fast.
In his view a woman who is having an affair with a married man does not have "character"

Khushi had a choice not to prove anything to him. She could have walked away from Arnav when he refused to believe her side of the story but she did not.

Again I repeat that Arnav was not suspecting Khushi's virtue but he definitely suspected her character of being a home wrecker.

Do you think he would have called her characterless if he had seen her hugging NK instead?

If he had done that then I agree that it is very chauvinistic of him to expect her to be "pure" when he himself wanted to live-in with a woman.




to me the fact that he believed wat he saw iteelf is wrong
the fact that he hid his reasons for marrying her is wrong
the fact that whatever be the reasons he dragged her to get married by force is wrong
the fact that he did not investigate by himself is wrong
and most importantly
THE FACT THAT HE COULD EVEN BELIVE WHAT HE SAW AND BELIEVE KHUSHI CAPABLE OF SUCH A THING IS WRONG
and worst
the fact that he did not believe her even after what she told him is very very wrong
Khushi had no choice because he did not give her any
that's how it is in our country from ancient times
woman has no choice but to give 'proofs'
sorry Kavi
this is a concept i can go on and on about
from mythology to today we are wrong
Edited by rima - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: rima

to me the fact that he believed wat he saw iteelf is wrong
the fact that he hid his reasons for marrying her is wrong
the fact that whatever be the reasons he dragged her to get married by orce is wrong
the fact that he did not investigate by himself is wrong
and most importantly
THE FACT THAT HE COULD EVEN BELIVE WHAT HE SAW AND BELIEVE KHUSHI CAPABLE OF SUCH A THING IS WRONG
and worst
the fact that he did not believe her even after what she told him is very very wrong
Khushi ad no choice because he did not give her any
that's how it is in our country from ancient times
woman has no choice but to give 'proofs'
sorry Kavi
this is a concept i can go on and on about
from mythology to today we are wrong


No need to be sorry Rima ...

It is just a discussion

He believed Khushi capable of such thing because of his past. He had just begun to believe in love and relationships but he wasn't there yet.

Normally a man would not do something drastic like marrying the woman who he thinks has wrecked his sister's life. But things are not normal in ASR's life.

Was that a decision any man would have done? NO.

But ASR could because he has always believed that relationships are very flaky (owing to his dad's infidelity and now his brother-in-law)

I have always felt that Arnav's past hasn't been dealt with at all in the show. If they had brought it about that Khushi comes to know of Arnav's past (during their MU phase) and develops a sympathy for him the viewer could have understood Arnav's troubled past better.

As far as our mythology is concerned proof of fidelity had to be give by Seetha. I have also always felt that this has been unfair.
But I have been told that this decision was taken by Rama as a king of his subjects and not as a husband of Seetha. He had to do this for the greater good of his country. Seetha was the sacrificial lamb.

From ancient times even in other countries, women, because of their beauty are coveted, lusted after often resulting in war of some sort.
For Eg:- Helen of troy

It is very unfortunate.



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Sometimes I wonder that in case of women, most of the times they are not the deciding authorities of their lives. Decisions are forced upon them by society, their elders,husbands,boyfriends and if anything goes wrong with those decisions the lady suffers and it is considered imperative on her part to explain the consequence of that decision.

In the serial Khushi never took any important decision of her life herself and yet she tries to fulfill everything expected from her due to those decisions.

Khushi does not want to marry Shyam but is forced to accept the proposal due to buaji's pressure and to comfort the family who adopted her.

She has feelings for Arnav but cannot tell those to Arnav because of his prejudiced view about girls belonging to lower financial status then him.

She is helpless when she has to marry Arnav because of his threats.


I recall a dialogue by Khushi which summarizes the above, after they return to RM from their stay in Gupta House. Anjali asks Khushi to stitch button on Arnav's shirt. When anjali leaves arnav asks her to stop the drama as di has already left.

"Ham drama nahi kar rahe hain, dhaga hame thamna pada, hamari marji nahi thi, par ab thama hai to..." and she finishes the button stitching.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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wow now this is what we so needed
you are so right why should she prove her innocence
and her character being intact and not his
i can never get why only women should prove their purity why not when men do the same
why should we forgive them when we know had something what they did we do we wont be forgiven
that was needed for him to prove that he can be faithful to her
that he wouldnt mistrust her and earn the love respect from her
good he did what she asked him to do or she would have left him
no one should accuse anyone of such bad thing without solid proof
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Posted: 12 years ago
#60
if only the story had gone this way...!!!!

Beautiful 👏

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