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Music_Junkie thumbnail
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Posted: 12 years ago
I do agree that we see it as injustice to other people who have been abused,humiliated, harassed for plagiarism before..
But they would've been spared from all this had they been given an chance to voice out their reasons...
The thing is people jump to the writer's throat who've plagiarized and they never gave a chance to the writer who've plagiarized before to defend or hear their version.

So how long is this going to continue when the plagiarized author isn't given a chance to speak up?? If people think I'm biased because Gargee is a famous writer, I'll slide with it and say let's implement the same rules to Gargee and let her face the consequence as all those writers who've faced the brunt of plagiarism..

I ain't saying rules should be changed cause its Gargee or anyone for that.. All I'm saying is how long is this rule of the plagiarized writers being abused,humiliated,harassed,name called aren't give one fair chance to explain it out all in open after all the humiliation they must've put up for their deeds shouldn't they be given one chance to speak.

I'm all up for trashing Gargee's thread if that's what majority wants:..Maybe in future or the next writer who intentionally or unintentionally plagiarizes should be given a chance to speak up that's all I'm saying.. Cause sometimes its more than what meets the eye.
Edited by summer_breeze - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
^^^ I'm not saying tha her thread should be trashed, but i'm just pointing out why this type of treatmeant, i mean why you are giving her time to expplain, when it was not given to other writers??


@Sementi you said maybe it's premature to say that she is copying but i have seen a thread trashed after a prologue and after chapter one, and believe me writer ko chance nahi diya gaiya tha explain karne ka
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: HK90

^^^ I'm not saying tha her thread should be trashed, but i'm just pointing out why this type of treatmeant, i mean why you are giving her time to expplain, when it was not given to other writers??



@Sementi you said maybe it's premature to say that she is copying but i have seen a thread trashed after a prologue and after chapter one, and believe me writer ko chance nahi diya gaiya tha explain karne ka


This is exactly what I'm trying to say.
Just because writers weren't allowed to defend themselves before this, are you saying that they NEVER should be?
Isn't it time to change such an unfair system?
And if it is (and I think it is), why not start here?
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Semanti: okay i don't have problems, she can give the expaination, but i hope soon, because there are readers who are reading it and commenting too.

And personally when i find out that a writer is copying something and on that story i have also commented i feel bad because that writer didn't deserve my comments, that it.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Semanti



This is exactly what I'm trying to say.
Just because writers weren't allowed to defend themselves before this, are you saying that they NEVER should be?
Isn't it time to change such an unfair system?
And if it is (and I think it is), why not start here?





@semanti: exactly!! why not fix the rules when given an opportunity?? like I said just cause Gargee is a famous writer in this forum if people are ruling out this equation now, maybe after solving this issue, it can be implemented...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: lazyleaves

@Semanti: Regarding that in incident which you think was an over reation is that that member copied several scenes and not just one!


Another point that I wish to raise is why this dicussion now? Why is she being defended indirectly?


An adaptation requires permission. But an inspiration doesn't. I have neither read Rebecca nor your OS. So I can't comment on it. But after this incident I read the Unwanted Wife fully!


What she has done is a definite case of plagiarism, credit or no credit as the sequence of words and events were the same including the way they were lying down on the bed!


I will relate a recent incident. You can find it if you go a few pages behind. The member had clearly said at the start that she is merely changing names of the characters of the story to her favourite one. In my eyes she was doing a favour to those who love reading fics on that couple by changing names and posting it! Yet her thread was closed because that is plagiarism!


If any changes in rules should happen now, this case cannot fall under it as it happened BEFORE the new rules.


So this case should be handled in the same way as the previous ones. No changes there!


I would like to clarify on the bold.

Speaking on the other side of the argument is not us defending what Gargee has done. I think it has been established that the way it was done (not giving credit and copying the chapter) was wrong. I think the reason this is being discussed is because these are questions that have been plaguing everybody's minds.

I think the reason it's coming out is because we all know Gargee as a writer and have followed her stories in the past, hence a bit of trust is established in terms of her and the other readers. Of course, I agree that should not blind the people passing off the judgment and the same rules should apply to her, but these are the possible reasons why it's being discussed.

I understand your frustration Lazy as what has been done is unfair especially after the rules you have pointed out and the general points you have raised in your posts. We do support you, but the DT also needs to clarify a lot of things because a general confusion has always surrounded inspiration versus plagiarism :)

~K
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Semanti


This is exactly what I'm trying to say.
Just because writers weren't allowed to defend themselves before this, are you saying that they NEVER should be?
Isn't it time to change such an unfair system?
And if it is (and I think it is), why not start here?


Even if the rules are changed now they will not be applicable to Gargee.
She wil still be held responsible for plagiarism (if thats what the DT decides) because of the old rules which did not allow the previous writers to clarify.

But I would like to raise a point here, I have contacted Jot before in several regards to inspriation cases which I thought were plagiarism - and in all cases the writers have been contacted and given a chance to defend themselves.
I really don't know what happens behind the scenes, and not sure which writers are contacted and which writers are not.

But in the case of Gargee two things are wrong:

1) She copied the chapters - no credit given.

2) Credit given after being accused of plagiarism.


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: lazyleaves

Being inspired from books and movies would mean picking up a theme and not the plot. If I want to write an FF on Barjatia's Hum Saath Saath Hai, I cannot take the same sequence of events but I can keep the characters same and the background theme of family unity. But I cannot use the SAME sequence of events


Wait wait, confusion again!

Okay so inspiration would be taking a general theme of something and adding your own twists to things.

Adaptation would be borrowing the concept of a story - like in Parineeta, I had the characters meeting at a young age, hating one another, Khushi being adopted etc - and this is not allowed.

Yes?

#confusedagain


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Krani


Wait wait, confusion again!

Okay so inspiration would be taking a general theme of something and adding your own twists to things.

Adaptation would be borrowing the concept of a story - like in Parineeta, I had the characters meeting at a young age, hating one another, Khushi being adopted etc - and this is not allowed.

Yes?

#confusedagain



What else is adaptation then man?! Any adaptation takes the story and puts it in s context with it being the adaptation author's prerogative if he/she wants to add something new or not. Honestly this being a FF forum I don't see issues with adaptations if they are referenced.

For instance, Omkara is an adaptation of Othello in the Indian context. It takes the SAME story and changes contexts and takes the SAME CHARACTERS and suits them to this new context.

And honestly what does the "same sequence of events" even mean?! You can keep the sequence same, you can change it. Aslong as you have acknowledged its an adaptation which may or not be following the exact storyline of the original in any particular context you have set it in, it shouldn't matter.
Edited by AngelTeen - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: AngelTeen


What else is adaptation then man?! Any adaptation takes the story and puts it in s context with it being the adaptation author's prerogative if he/she wants to add something new or not. Honestly this being a FF forum I don't see issues with adaptations if they are referenced.

For instance, Omkara is an adaptation of Othello in the Indian context. It takes the SAME story and changes contexts and takes the SAME CHARACTERS and suits them to this new context.

And honestly what does the "same sequence of events" even mean?! You can keep the sequence same, you can change it. Aslong as you have acknowledged its an adaptation which may or not be following the exact storyline of the original in any particular context you have set it in, it shouldn't matter.


No but inspiration is more general. Like I am inspired by the Arranged Marriage theme and that's found in my story.
i am inspired by HOH to delve into my characters more, and that is seen in my stories...etc...

So what Gargee has done is an adaptation - except she didn't reference it, which is obviously wrong.

Even I am confused about the "same sequence of events" which is why I wanted a clarification.

Okay, so technically according to india-forums, adaptation is wrong, but inspiration is fine, and the two definitions of each have been stated above in my previous post. Just confirming so I don't get things confused again, and then we can draw a line between what will be considered plagiarised on IF and what will be not
Edited by Krani - 12 years ago

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