Inappropriate content in FFs

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Posted: 14 years ago
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I was dreading the day that I would have to make a post about this again, but unfortunately, it has come. The amount of inappropriate content in FFs has skyrocketed over the past few months, and I don't know what to do about it.
I hope no one is surprised that explicit content is NOT allowed in the forum. If you are, let me point out three places where this is clearly stated: (1) I-F Code of Conduct (I know that no one takes the time out to read this, but they definitely should before getting angry at the mods), (2) one of the announcements in this section appropriately named "Adult Content in the Fan Fictions on IF", and finally (3) next to the quick reply box in each thread there is a "note" that explains this clearly. Now with the addition of this post, I hope there will be no more confusion.
I plead with all the readers in this section, PLEASE report cases of explicit content so that I can take action. I cannot go around reading all FFs to see which ones are appropriate and which are not. If you see something that you would not want your 12 year old sibling reading, please report it to me. If there is any doubt about what is allowed and what is not, please read the "Adult Content" announcement. We discussed this topic at length and were able to come to some conclusions.
Any writers who are guilty of including explicit content in their work should immediately rewrite those chapters. I might be a little lenient for a few weeks, but after that, if someone reports anything to me or I find it myself, I will close your FF and raise your warning level. I think it is about time for me to crack down...this is unacceptable.
Thank you for your time.

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hindu4lyf thumbnail
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I'd love to know what the dev team's definition of 'explicit content' is exactly?

Let me clarify that I am NOT a FF writer but I do read a lot of FF's. Where is one supposed to draw the line? Maybe you could provide members with an example?

Btw, a little off-topic but regarding your point about 'not wanting your 12 year old sibling reading'. Erm, I thought the age limit to join India-Forums is 13 years old? Has that changed recently? :\

Anyway, I know for sure what I would/wouldn't want them to be reading but kids these days are exposed to shows like FRIENDS, Glee, One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl etc that do not have an age restrictions and have a lot of sexual content in it anyway. Of course that is no reason for us to promote it but I think we need to act rationally.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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^ Thank you for your response and for stating your concerns.
I agree that the definition of what is appropriate and what is not can be very subjective, but I am doing the best I can to uphold the standards that Vijay has set for this forum. There is some gray area at times, in which case, I try to be very lenient. However, most of the writers whom I am addressing in this post have gone beyond all limits. They are describing the act in such graphic detail that if it were a screenplay for a movie, it would be x-rated and we would call it something else rather than a movie. I'm sure we can all agree that this is not adhering to the rules of this forum.
The "12 year old" comment was not supposed to be that specific. I just meant early adolescent. And either way, I am certain that there are many members in this forum who are younger than 13. There is no way to prevent that unfortunately.
You are absolutely correct in saying that children and early adolescents are exposed to a lot of sexual references and language on TV these days. Even Indian TV serials have some very sensual scenes. But again, I must argue that some of what is posted in this section goes way beyond that. That is mostly what I'm trying to prevent. I have no problems with romantic scenes and even making it very obvious that a certain act happened between a couple in a FF. Mature concepts such as rape and violence are allowed as long as the description does not go overboard. The scene described by the words of the FF writers should not be so explicit that it would not be allowed on television.
There was actually a long discussion about this in the past, and we seemed to have come up with criteria that most members could agree with. Please read this thread for more detail: https://india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=861317
If anyone has any ideas on how this situation can be handled better, please let me know. I am open to suggestions.
Edited by SuhanaSafar - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Thanku for the post, if I come across adult content then will surely report it.... & you are right I would never want my 12 year sibling to read stuff which is inappropriate....Being a FF writer myself, I'am just not comfortable writing to much of mushy stuff, I feel there is a limit, where the line has to be drawn.....I think ff writers should not write something, which they are not comfortable reading or even comfortable writing....
Edited by Surya.Ravi - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hello.



I see where you're coming from, but this topic of what is allowed and what is not is still not clear. I doubt setting a limit like "what a 12 year old can read or not'' is doing any help, because we all have difference views on what a 12 year old can read and cannot.


Might as well mention that what a 12 year old read or knew about ''certain'' things in 2005 is not what a 12 year old knows in 2011. Don't we need to revise certain rules then? Certainly that's debatable. It would only mount to discussions about 'morality'. And we all know there's no end to it.



No, that doesn't mean i am in support of explicit scenes being written. But i don't understand what a reader should expect and what he/she should not. Don't you think most people read FFs because 'those' scenes that cannot be showed on national television can be relived here. But then again, thats a very narrow-minded viewpoint. Not that it doesnt amuse me. Both, the viewpoint and the subject of this post.



Okay, i digress.



My main question is that what 'exactly' is allowed? I read both the posts you mentioned to the fellow member above. They weren't of any concrete help.



I've mostly been a silent reader for a long time, so when Catwoman had stopped updating her FFs i wondered why it happened. Now i realise she felt restricted. (Not that i know why she left. Just reading the previous post made me think this way. Sorry if i am wrong) and this is the main reason i am compelled to write this post. Its sad we had to lose such a creative writer because she felt restricted. I am sure no one would want any more of that happening.



At times, FFs need some scenes which give momentum to the story. Sometimes the FF's couple is passionate or maybe they are married. So ive read scenes where writers portray even a little day to day talk between a married couple intimately. And i get that its not that those scenes are not allowed. Its about how they should be put across.



So really? What exactly is the criterion of being categorised as 'not' allowed. You said you are open to suggestions. So can we have a sample scene of what is allowed? Because what might be gross to some is not whats gross to others. Its not that we can avoid our 12 year old cousins from knowing about supposedly 'gross' scenes anyway.

But mostly, i think that FF section should have a system of ratings. Like in most fanfiction sites. G, PG-13, R ratings. So only some section can read the 'rated' content. Yeah i know kids of 12 can make another account and pose as 18 year olds but then thats their personal choice, isn't it? They are curious kids.

But jokes apart, i think you're doing a really cool job of moderation here. And i appreciate you being open to suggestions. I hope my doubts will be answered. Because all i want is to make sure my favourite writer doesnt stop writing because she felt creatively restricted.

Thank You.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Suhana: While I understand where you are coming from and your concerns...I do not think you are going to be able to enforce this rule 100%. Some of the FFs that have come under the scanner recently have more than 300 members hitting like. If none of them saw it fit to report the FFs- unless you read everything yourself- how will you ever be able to enforce this rule comprehensively? In which case allegations of being biased etc will continue to be traded.

A more workable solution would be- to ask writers to either give an age warning/rating for their FFs or have a separate forum for mature FFs.

Just my 2 cents on the matter, I really dont envy your job!
Edited by -pixie- - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey Rabia,
I just have claim, even if she had some adult content in her FF, why have you not dealt with the plagiarism problem first? I mean first thing comes first.

You should have, first of all, took some action against the person who plagiarized DILIBADAAT's work and then tell her to edit the inappropriate content if it had. Seriously speaking, I had been really happy how you dealt with all the matters but this one isn't solved in the right way.

Even, I, as a writer would be highly offended and maybe I wouldn't ever write on this site, if before taking any action against the plagiarism of my FF, an action would be taken against me for some other reason.

Sorry if I offended you, I really didn't mean it, I just wanted you to take an action against the person who plagiarized work of someone else.

Luv u<333
Kashish
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Posted: 14 years ago
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dear thx for taking notice in this matter.. personally tell you many time reported but those FF still have adult stuff... even the completed many threads....
can you kindly tell us how to make our post not to be copy paste.. as the code is not working.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi everyone. Thank you all for your input.
mayur-ani and -pixie-, thank you for the recommendations. I agree that it would be much easier to have a rating system. Unfortunately, the policy that there should be absolutely no explicit content on I-F is not my own but applies to the entire forum. I will try to get in contact with other moderators and see what can be done. As far as deciding what is acceptable and what is not, I will reiterate that I am usually very lenient. It is only when the content in extremely explicit and/or uses words that are not allowed in the forum do I take any action. I am sure if I gave you examples, you would want the same to be done. As far as the gray area goes, I do not close anyone's FF for that. I would instead discuss the situation with the author to make sure he or she does not move on to more explicit writing. That was essentially what I trying to do in this case as well.
I do not want DILIBAADAT or any other writer to leave the forum, but if they want to do so instead of following the rules, I will not stop them.
kashishk, please do not jump to conclusions. I had initially contacted DILIBAADAT to ask her to send links to the exact passages which had been plagiarized so I could take action. When I realized there was also explicit content in her work, I sent her another PM informing her of the rules and that I may have to take action on that as well. That's when things got out of hand. She only reponded to the second PM and proceeded to post our PM conversation openly in the forum. I still would like to deal with the plagiarism issue, but I need a little more time for that...and preferably some cooperation.
Edited by SuhanaSafar - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey Rabia,
That's exactly what I am saying, you should have first solved the plagiarized work matter and then the adult content.

Concerning that you need time for the plagiarized work, I didn't notice it before. I still remember one writer had received unbelievable attention in FF section for plagiarizing a scene. I really think you should have warn the writer, who copied, in it's thread itself. I know it's like an insult when you post a warning message in it's post for plagiarizing but when that person can copy someone else's work, he/she should be ready for this type of situations.

Once again, I am just telling you what I felt. I didn't mean to offend you at all, if I did I am sorry :).

Luv u<333
Kashish

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