Shamit’s Politics - exaggerated? - Page 3

Wow, I love this whole discussion.

Krangara and infiniteattract, hats off to you, you guys have wonderful and insightful points. I enjoyed reading both posts!

As for my personal opinion, I do believe that the whole politics thing was exaggerated - Shamit isn't at fault alone. Others voted for Gurpreet, too. I think they're blaming Shamit way too much, but in all honesty he's probably a little guilty inside. However, it wasn't as big as people were making it.

But while everyone is given a second chance, Shamit is being overly criticized for that one mistake.

Lovely point.

Shamit is such an amazing singer, I'm still really disappointed (and confused!) with Arijit's decision. But what has happened has happened. We can't do anything, sadly enough. I just hope that Arijit had a real, solid, very good reason for doing this and I certainly hope it's not politics! I would have never expected politics from Arijit, and I hope that isn't what drove him to take the step he did.

Infinite Attract:

Are you implying that the audience did not see Shamit influencing Arijit on TV, and all the subsequent criticisms against him are based on his reactions? That's ridiculous and unbelievable!

I am sure all of you (I, unfortunately, missed that episode!) must have seen Shamit trying to influence Arijit against Kirti!!!! Also, I am sure the faculty must have chided Shamit behind closed doors....that's the reason he sounded apologetic!

Rashmi - thanx.....I agree that Shamit was a little guilty, but he doesn't deserve to get punished to this extent!

BTW, infinite attract, I respect your opinion.... 😃

I agree with all of your points. Very well written and I just wanted to add to your points.

Originally posted by: krangara

What's all this hue and cry about Shamit being a politician? How many times did he influence his peers to vote? Let me be frank – I missed this infamous episode. However, from your discussions, I presume that Shamit influenced Arijit to vote against Kirti. How many others voted against Kirti? Did SHamit influence them all…I highly doubt so!

As far as I know, Shamit did not influence Arijit to vote out Kirti. In fact it was Arijit who asked Shamit whom he is voting for and Shamit clearly said that he is voting for Gurpreet. There was not even a slight ray of influence here. It is unbelievable that Shamit was considered a politician. How well does public know to consider him a politician? Why don't people go ask the ones who know him and ask whether he is a politician, someone who uses others? Arpita has known Shamit for 10 years now, and she loves him as a friend, then why will she be a friend of someone like him? If he was that influential then why didn't Arpita get influenced by him and voted Kirti out?

Get this straight: A manipulator is as successful as the person he manipulates is weak. If Arijit was strong-willed he would not have gotten swayed! So why blame Shamit entirely? It was partially Arijit's fault too!

Absolutely correct. None of the contestants are weak, they all hold their opinion. They are in a competition and when one enters a competition, they can't show their weakness there. So since none of the contestants were weak then how could Shamit influence theme.

Most importantly, successful people aren't those who never make mistakes…they are those who learn from their mistakes. But while everyone is given a second chance, Shamit is being overly criticized for that one mistake. For instance, the public is willing to save Qazi 9 times from the Danger Zone with the belief that he would improve his singing. Arijit was never defamed for blindly following SHamit's 'advice'. Moreover, he is now being applauded for finally voicing his own opinions without being influenced.

It's really a disappointment to see Shamit leave FG. Shamit was considered politician because he voted his stronger opponent out. Arijit also did the same, but he will never considered a politican. Instead Javed ji said that he has right to vote for whom ever he want. Yes he has and so did Shamit.

Why then is SHamit not forgiven for one mistake? I have seen almost every episode after it and have never seen him manipulating anyone….doesn't that imply that he has improved his personality? Why was he then never applauded and given due credit? I recall one episode when he was extremely brotherly towards everyone….he read letters for them, offered a shoulder to cry for Arijit, and comforted Rooprekha/Arpita. I also recall him playing with Qazi and Rex….these are not qualities of a shallow person….yes, he is a little egoistic – which talented person isn't…and those who sugarcoat every word are simply fake….; yes, he disapproves of Qazi's voice….but can you really blame him? Even his fans must know that his looks and charisma are his USPs, not his voice. It's like how Madhuri Dixit will feel if she competes with Priyanka Chopra or Mallika Sherawat in a dancing contest, and the latter's' are chosen simply cuz they are sexy, although they have little dancing talent!

Exactly. Everyone is given a chance to learn from there mistakes. But I don't think Shamit really made any mistake that he needed to correct, none the less he did his best to improve him self as a person.

Lovely example about Madhuri vs. Priyanka/Mallika.

And if everyone believes that Kirti's career was over because of Shamit's politics, why then wasn't he chosen by the public in his second homecoming? Why did people vote for Rex? If the faculty and judges felt that the students were unfair to him the first time, why rely on public votes? Why not rest the decision on the student's shoulders and give them a chance to correct their opinion? If Arijit had developed a will-power, he would have provided a fair opinion then! And I am sure that although Shamit would not have picked Kirti, he would certainly not influence anyone again!

Absolutely. If people were so upset about Kirti leaving at the first place then why didn't they try to give him more votes. When asked who should be out, it was Shamit who didn't voted Kirti out then why are people still pointing at him.

I can still remember the day when old contestants came back and performed. Shamit was so happy, I can still recall his happy expressions. He was thrilled to see Kirti back.

In short, what irks me is that everyone, especially Qazi and Arijit, are given umpteen chances to improve (their personality and talent)….however, Shamit is unfairly criticized based on one fateful episode! This is unfair!

It is totally wrong. He was never given a chance to speak and when he opened his mouth to speak, he was considered to be a manipulator.

Oh, and btw, Shamit was wrongly placed in the danger zone more than once because of Javed's grudge…I am sorry, but Javed Saab, you are one of the most egoistic Indian celebrities. Shamit's attitude during one episode is not 1/10000^th of the attitude YOU have! You are immature enough to fight with the faculty in front of students, biased enough to allow your personal opinions to cloud your judgment, and rude enough to send off Shamit with the most discouraging words! I hope Shamit becomes a very successful singer, thus rendering a symbolic slap across your cheek.

Javed ji has lost respect in my eyes. In such age, he is this rude. As you said, he is very egoistic man. It's sad that when Shamit left (for good, even though I am his true fan), Javed ji didn't even had words to encourage him. A man is this age should never bring his anger in front, he should be someone caring, someone who encourage others. But even when Shamit was leaving, he bagan his statement with "you were never my favorite". Yah that helped Shamit a lot, hai na Javed saab. It's just sick.

Go Shamit – prove your detractors wrong. I know you have the voice for it!

I wish Shamit all the best. I am sure he will make it big.

Originally posted by: infiniteattract

Krangara, I cant agree with u on sumthings. After Kirti episode what happened, happened that day only judges said it was a wrong decision and then it was forgotten. Judeges didnt tell it to Shamit only they told the whole group......But next day and in coming two or three episodes Shamit tried hard to explain that his was an innocent decision and he didnt manipulate it was then that Javed said "Do u think u are in danger today coz of that then u are again wrong, dont try to manipulate things and explain ur innocence when it has got nuthing to do with todays danger zone". Again in another episode when students voted him in he tried to explain that again "please dont think I manipulated this" When Ila saved him he went to ask "Why did u save me" He had a habit of nagging with things which protrayed him like this.

Look at Arijit when asked today he said I know my decision is correct, I want to stick with it and I dont want any further questions asked regarding this.
Look at Qazi he got bashed up for fighting with Ila, today on stage he sternly said Mandira please dont ask me any question coz if I give an answer which faculty doesnt like they will again call me and bash me up so please dont ask unnecessary questions.

TOday lots of people have forgotten Arijit thing already coz of his ravishing performance and bold attitude, right wrong whatever he has done he didnt think it needed an explanation Over and out.

But Shamits attitude never let people forget things, yesterday also when he left he said "Now u see I am not a manipulator" he again started it. There is a saying in Bengali I will translate it and say its like "Whos there in the room" and a voice comes "I am not a thief". Shamit's unnecessary explanations and trying to prove he is good made him more of a villain in people's eyes.

But yes he is a good singer and I wish him success in life.

Shamit had every right to vote for whom he wanted to. I'll say it again he voted for gurpreet out of pity. Poor her. He didn't play any politics. He was guilty at the fact that they voted Chavi out, and she only had one vote. As some other contestants thought that Gurpreet will not get any vote as Chavi didn't, they all voted out of sympathy.

He genuinely wanted to apologize to judges that he took a wrong decision and wanted to explain that he did not play any politics when Kirti was out. All this time when he opened his mouth say something about his involvement in the Kirti situation, not as a politician, judges were not ready to hear him out . He said over and over again not to get any one's attention and neither to get sympathy or that he wanted to wipe off his guilt, but to make it clear that he made a mistake for not voting for the one who deserved it. All the fame gurukul participants are not dumb that they will get influenced by Shamit.

He was fighting back to prove that he was not guilty. Every innocent has the right to prove themselves and shamit was doing the same. But when it comes to the point when no one is ready to hear you, well you just have to shout out your points at the top of your lungs while other people were trying to talk and yelling just as loud.

DAMN WELL SAID krangara!!!!!!

I totally agree with you! First of all the faculty made a really bad decision voting for Sandeep last week instead of Shamit!! I mean even Qazi sang better then Sandeep!

What happened this week just inrages me!!! I haven't seen the episodes since I'm in the US, but I can't believe Shamit was voted out by the students!! Shamit is one of the best singers on the show along with Rex and Rooprekha!! Did Arpita vote him out too?

Personally I think its the channel thats playing dirty politics. Qazi always gets great footage making him the audiances favorite and Shamit ends up getting some of the worst footage.

And your so rite about Javed Akhter!!!! He maybe a genius when it comes to lyrics, but the man is SOOOO FULL OF HIMSELF!!!! HE IS THE OLDEST ONE THERE!! HE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING THE STUDENTS AND FACULTY INSTEAD OF DEGRADING THEM OR DISCOURAGING THEM!!! Ye duniya javed ji ke bholne se nahi chalti!! GROW UP MR.AKHTER!!!

Once again very well said!!! GOOD LUCK TO SHAMIT FOR THE FUTURE!!! U DESERVE THE BEST!!!!
*Khushi*

hey khushi,

No Arpita didn't vote out Shamit, she voted for him.
Arpita, Rooprekha, and Rex voted for Shamit.
Qazi, Sandeep and Arijit (two votes) voted for Monica.

I agree with ya that even Qazi singed better than Sandeep.

very very very very very well said , happe
im so impressed..luks lik u jus pened down my thoughts..

also, jus wanna remind everyone tht this is the third time arijit has had made a decision tht most pple dont agree wth

including voting for monica & kirti...
he also voted for chavvi b/w rex & chavvi....even hn it was crystal clear tht rex was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better...i think arijit has a complete different line of thought than most of us...unique person, i must say

Happe and Krangara u got me wrong. I dint say Shamit did anything wrong. He absolutely can vote for whomever he likes and secondly about cameras shooting him and Arijit showed that Arijit was the one who changed his mind, Shamit always wanted to vote for Gurpreet. SHamits problem was he tried to justify himself tooo much even after the thing was forgoteen. This thing irritated the judges and the faculty as well as people. He could have said when asked that "Yes we had a talk and I wanted to vote for Gurpreet I told my reasons I cant do anything if someone likes my decision and gets influenced" Finished no need of any further dragging.

Look at Qazi every episode Mandira tries to prove he is a "Dal Badlu" saying "First u said u wanna make Jodi with Arijit and now Rex why so" He just said "look I can change my mind whenever i wish and I changed my mind" He never tried to give any unnecessary explnation that "No I a not a Dal Badlu u are wrong bla bla and when people didnt believe started crying"

This is what I am saying SHamit did nothing wrong he had exerted his voting rights so why give so much of explanation and he can win the contest if he sings good even if he is a manipulator, so who cares what he is called.

Happe u do have the rite to shout to prove u are innocent but only when u feel that people will understand, once Shamit attempted it and everyone said ok let it be forgotten we have forgotten it bus finished. But he went on trying to explain it so many times coz I understand he felt that judges used to place him in danger zone coz of that. And I dont think he was totally wrong partialy that was the reason for placing him so times in danger and faculty not saving him, but this feeling affected his performances and shattered him and it was evident from his face that he was always in stress. SO that explanation and guilt for something he has not done killed him only. If only he could have forgotten the total episode like Arijit has done things would have been totally different for him.

Last day also before going he said the same thing but still u see so many people in the forum still saying "Tit for Tat for Shamit" means his last day explanation also didnt do any good.

So he was there to win a competition he should have concentrated on that like Qazi does. So many people say "U dont deserve to be here and should do this and that", he never tries even to justify "See these are the reasons I should be here" who cares what they are saying.

Shamit has a long way to go in life, there will be so many people who will like him and so many who will think he is wrong. IF he cries and tries to justify at every point in life he can never ever succeed, get depressed and endup ruining himself.

Look at the movie stars even if they Go to piss press wants an explanation how will Shamit handle these things once he becomes a celeb. This is all what I wanted to say.

Originally posted by: infiniteattract

Krangara, I cant agree with u on sumthings. After Kirti episode what happened, happened that day only judges said it was a wrong decision and then it was forgotten. Judeges didnt tell it to Shamit only they told the whole group......But next day and in coming two or three episodes Shamit tried hard to explain that his was an innocent decision and he didnt manipulate it was then that Javed said "Do u think u are in danger today coz of that then u are again wrong, dont try to manipulate things and explain ur innocence when it has got nuthing to do with todays danger zone". Again in another episode when students voted him in he tried to explain that again "please dont think I manipulated this" When Ila saved him he went to ask "Why did u save me" He had a habit of nagging with things which protrayed him like this.

Look at Arijit when asked today he said I know my decision is correct, I want to stick with it and I dont want any further questions asked regarding this.
Look at Qazi he got bashed up for fighting with Ila, today on stage he sternly said Mandira please dont ask me any question coz if I give an answer which faculty doesnt like they will again call me and bash me up so please dont ask unnecessary questions.

TOday lots of people have forgotten Arijit thing already coz of his ravishing performance and bold attitude, right wrong whatever he has done he didnt think it needed an explanation Over and out.

But Shamits attitude never let people forget things, yesterday also when he left he said "Now u see I am not a manipulator" he again started it. There is a saying in Bengali I will translate it and say its like "Whos there in the room" and a voice comes "I am not a thief". Shamit's unnecessary explanations and trying to prove he is good made him more of a villain in people's eyes.

But yes he is a good singer and I wish him success in life.

I completely agree with infiniteattract,not only because of that his remarks towards qazi and forming a group seperating qazi all these left a bad taste to public..and thus proving shamit a bad personality.If you watch yesterdays episode where students are dvided in to groups for a song (alla ke bhande)qazi was seen behind shammit ,arpitha and monica.........why these politics.y not treat qazi the same.Shammits mistakes are endless.His greatest mistake is criticizing Qazi .....and he is paying for it...he is responsible himself for what all happened

agreed, tht he shldnt have given justifications bout his decision whn he was put in danger.....
bt, wht aftr tht?
he was the only one to b summoned by Ila, in the coming epi's...arijit was only summoned coz he was shamit's best frnd...whole thing revolved round him..he wasnt completel wrong in exageratting the mattter...the way his & arijit's relation was hyped, & in one video, u even notice the intepretor says tht "amit is also getting influened by shamit"..clearly showed tht thy were determined to show him as a "manipulator"...whereas i never saw amit & shamit together b4 or aftr tht...arjit & shamit's sleeping & eating 2gether was only shown once..aftr tht i've never see thm eating frm the same plate or sleeping 2gther..Y? i dont get it
even whn arijit clearly said tht he askd shamit, he said "i will vote for gurpreet"...& as far as i rem arijit was decided to vote for kirti...
bt, laer whn shamit was calld in Ila's room she said "arijit has accepted being influend by u"...how did she jus come to this conclusion? jus coz arijit changed his mind, how can she blame shamit for tht?????
as far as explaning himself goes, the mattr was kinda colling off, bt whn shamit was in danger 2nd time, one must rem wht JA asked him.."aapna yeh PATTA kyon feka"...clearly showed wht JA thought while asking him this...this wouldnt b the way the queston would b askd if it were not shamit...
also, next day whn he said "im not a polotician" & all tht stuff, he was bashed...again agreed mayb he was wrong & shldnt have, bt i doubt he would bring it out if JA wouldnt have spoken so sharply...
again, next day gala, aftr he perf he said nothing, bt mandira askd him the same kinda q, bt framed it diff..."y do u keep changing ur frnds & u nevr vote for ur frnds?"...wht kind of a q is tht? if amndira doesnt clearly rem, arijit has been shamit's best buddy since FG started...whn he was choosen immune, he wantd to take arijit with him for the outing, bt since arijit was punishd, he took chavvi...
the more he tried to get rid of all this, the more he was reminded.. thats all i have to say