Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
i dont generally write on forums- i prefer to be the silent, observing type. but recent opinions and events have compelled me to voice my opinion.
Once would've been enough instead of spamming the same post everywhere.. anyways, here we go...
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
but before i begin, i would ask u all to read what i have to say with an open mind (i'm not saying that anyone in particular is bias- being bias is a part of human nature, i myself find my opinions following the route of favouritism, but in order to make a fair judgement, one has to think objectively)
Sure.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
i will start off by asking is arpita really that bad? lets just start considerthe various stigmas that have been inflicted upon her- attitude, egotism, politics, scornful nature, two faced liar, selfish (even b****, to quote someone on this forum)
Honestly, in real life - she may be the total opposite of what she's supposedly portrayed as on FG (keeping in mind that FG may be scripted) however from what we're shown on TV - she definately exudes a holier-than-thou attitude & ego, is quite political and 2 faced as well. As for her being a b**** - that's uncalled for - whoever called her that just shows how foolish they are.. anyways, moving forward..
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
firstly can a person really be that bad, and secondly what are we basing this on? what we see are clippings of her charcter and disposition on television. those people in fame gurukul- rex, ruprekha and qazi, they are the ones who spend the whole day with her, and do they think that- do they think of her as so? no. (even qazi keepn on voting for her)
Firstly, yes - a person can be that bad in order to reach a high level in life. People who work in a large corporation with a high-end sales department will definately know what I mean - exactly the attitude Arpita has.
We are basing this on the clips we're shown on TV and that's it. That is all we have to base our opinions on. Again, as I initially said - she may be the total opposite of what we see her on FG, however FG is all we have to form an opinion on. Frankly, an individual's opinion shouldn't be based (or biased) on other people's opinions (answer to your what do Rex, Ruprekha & Qazi think of her..)
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
yes arpita ois opinionated, yes shes honest and thats her downpoint. people hate her because they misinterpret this honesty.
So her crying and complaining to the faculty about Ruprekha and then telling a totally different story to Ruprekha was really being honest eh? Either you or I have the definition of honesty wrong because that seemed more like 2-facedness instead of honesty to me. I'll have to pull out my dictionary to confirm the definition of honesty..
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
again- i saw her being adressed as a b**** because she announced that she would not see qazi as her fame jodi. fine thats her opinion, that does not make her a b****, and at least shes honest. its not like shes dancing around telling qazi that hes the best singer and then voting against him behind his back. whenever she has been asked, she has always publicly announced that she sees qazi as the weakest. so how is she two faced?
Whoever addressed her as a b**** is a fool themselves for getting so worked up over a TV show. As for how she's 2-faced, see my point above.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
and lets be honest, she is fair, she praises him when he does well. for eg when he sang the Yeh tara Woh tara song, she openly stated that she could see qazi as part of the fame jodi. so how does that make her bias, or deliberately against qazi? she speaks as she sees, and that i believe is commendable, because at least then shes not playing politics.
Yet she'll go crying like a little baby to the faculty when Qazi is 'favoured' - hardly a professional attitude.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
as far as politics are concerned- yes she was largely involved in arijits exit, but were those really poilitics. i agree with her that arijit was not as innocent as he sounds (ok the first vote to monica might be understandable, but the second one? his excuse was that he didnt want the audience to think of him as indecisive or confused. honestly tell me is that believable- would u sacrifice the life of one of ur bestest friends (who u sleep, eat and spend every living hour with), because of the fear of sounding indecisive?) - and look at her good side, she was honest enough to admit it. so how is that politics
In the name of healthy competition - YES, one would vote out a best friend. Heck, Shamit even called Arijit on the phone to say everything was ok.
Also, the second vote for Monica was not an excuse - it does have to do with mental and emotional stability as it would show that Arijit does not have a stable mind and is indecisive when placed under pressure.
What Arpita did was hypocritical however - on one hand she goes on and on how immature Arijit and his decision was and then she goes on and votes out Arijit, who clearly was (and is) the overall better singer and performer. If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
and as far as the issue of politics is concerned- she has had ample oppurtunity to play them. it is obvious to all that qazi likes her (refer to the episode when his mother visited, where rex implied this. qazi also described his happiest moment to be when she said she saw him as part of the fame jodi- when he sang the Yeh tara woh tara song)- and she knows of the support that qazi has with the audience. she could easily have faked an affair with him to gain popularity. but did she do that? no- because she is too dignified too focussed to achieve her ambitions, and that again is commendable.
Actually, if she did fake an affair with Qazi - she WOULD NOT gain popularity and there would be a huge backlash against her trying to piggy-back off Qazi's popularity with the Janta. Just because Qazi felt happy that his biggest nay-sayer praised him for his Ye Tara song, does not mean he likes her in a romantic way. As for Rex talking about Qazi and Arpita - you know, it's hard to beleive anything coming outta the mouth of the guy who romances his so-called sister.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
for this shows that she does not have an illicit character. recently people are saying that shes shed all her inhibitions because of a revealing outfit she wore in the mungda mungda song- well are people really so bakward as to judge a person by their dress (which they might have been made to wear) rather than their character (and her ethical character is marked easily by her attitude, her not faking an affair with qazi)
I agree that people were pretty foolish for thinking backwards in regards to the Mungda Mungda song - she did not over expose and what she wore was still very decent. Funny thing is that the people complaining are the same ones who most likely adore Preity Zinta & Rani Mukherji even though they'll wear the skimpiest of outfits at times.
If people think that Arpita had 'shed her inhibitions' for Mungda, they'd probably think that all the Remix song videos should be x-rated.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
then the issue of her being egotistical, too scornful- well that again i belive is her confidence being interpreted. if she stands on the stage, and is asked who should she be saved- if she says herself, what is wrong with that? that is just confidence, for if u dont belive in urself who will. plus already she is very unpopular , is she says i wasnt the best, someone else was better, do u think that the few who do support her, will continue to do so? in fact it is commendable that even with such little support she is honest enough to admit who she thinks is a good singer and whos not.
I don't beleive that when she says that she should be saved is egotistical at all - however I do find it egotistical when she complains when she's not the one saved.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
then her feud with rooprekha, honestly i do not blame her. it should be obvious to many that javed akhtar is bias towards rooprekha, and belive me even the opinion of one judge makes a difference. in the remix gala i especially felt that she sang better than rooprekha (she danced so well as well)- yet her singing and dancing is never noticed. buyt rooprekha was safe (and that too i would say was javed akhtars part- hence he was so irritated with her on thursday, when she saved both rex and arpita, cos honest.ly he wouldnt have had another good oppurtunity to save her). i mean rooprekha is a very good singer, shes fantastic, but arpita is more versatile is trained in classical), plus she performs so much as well. (rooprekha lacks there) then why is qazis performance noted and not hers?so isnt she right to complain that rooprekha is given the preferential treatment.
Because Arpita fell out of tune many times during her performance - at least Qazi has a balanced performance and singing - she was so focused on performance that she pretty much threw away her singing during Mungda.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
then people refer to her as scornful, anti- qazi etc. yes she was displeased with qazi, and she had reason to be. put urself in her shoes. how would u feel, if u worked so hard to perform well- and someone who ur fellow students, ur faculty, and to even an extent the judges felt was not so good, and who in fact wanted to be an actor rather than a singer- kept on winning. u wouldnt exactly be very forgiving towards them. no doubt, qazi has improved, he has become a better singer (in fact i thought he did really well in yesterdays gala)- but he wasnt initially was he? she had a right to complain then, and when he does well she says so. then why do people hate her so much?
Maybe if she was more humble, like Qazi and Ruprekha - the Janta - the only reason behind Qazi's survival in FG up till now, would definately give Arpita the time of day. Why do you think Ruprekha got the public votes and Arpita did not yet? The difference is being humble and honest.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
she works very hard (did not go home that one week so she could practice), is confident, is focussed, a good performer, a good singer, beautiful and very talented overall- then why does she not deserve to be part of the fame jodi? is it because if her nature, her attitudde (which i dont see at all, its all her honesty). based on that i shgould hate qazi. i mean i was never a qazi fan, but after yesterdays performance i support him now- but if i am to consider his nature and behaviour, then i shouldnt be supporting him ( look at how badly he abused sandeep that one time). yet im willing to look past all that because hes working hard, hes improving, then why cant we do that for arpita who has always worked hard? is it fair to crush a girls dream, her future and dreams because honestly we ourselves are too bias and opionated to recongnize her talent.
EVERYONE in FG works very hard, not just Arpita - look at Qazi - everyone claims that he'll be up till the wee hours in the night practicing and even disturbing people's sleep.
EVERYONE talent-wise deserves to be the FJ - however along with that talent, attitude and personality are very important, areas where others like Qazi and Ruprekha excel over Arpita. Coming to the argument where Qazi said something to Sandeep - at least Qazi had the decency of being direct to Sandeep instead of being nice to Sandeep's face and then bad-mouthing/complaining about him behind his back - something that Arpita does often.
No doubt Arpita has talent and works hard - however her 2-facedness and holier-than-thou attitude is her downfall.
As for the 'crushing-dreams' bit, the same can be said for all contestants.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
arpita knows she has very little support, yet she has not given up- read this article on rediff, where she states that rex or qazi might win, but she still wont give up http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/oct/07arpita.htm this attitude, this focus is fantastic.
Good for her.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
meanwhile her recent joke that has made her very unpopular, would u really tell the channel heads to get lost, if they ask u to do something- ur fate rests in their hands literally. and please would arpita really have been able to run away, with all those cameras watching her- and the whole police intervention made too much a mockery of it for anyone to be;live it, so then why would anyone take that joke too seriusly?
Maybe because it happened a few days after the faculty said that they would expell anyone that they found out not being serious - it may not have been her own doing, however it was done in bad taste.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
every week people on this forum exclaim that this week qai is 199 % out, and that the show is scripted. but tell me does that heppen? does he ever get kicked out, no he returns with even more votes than before. and then u ppl complain about the revenue sony is making
No comments in regards to that - have no clue what you're talking about.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
i was going to end at this point, but i managed to come across the chat transcript from friday. i was horrified ppl were down right horroble to arpita- telling her, u will leave next week, u r arrogant, selfish, u cry a lot. firstly so what if she cries, its a human emotion- we all cry when we fail then why judge her. then telling her all this to her face is that not worse, tell me how would u feel, if all of india seemed to hate u for voicing ur honest opinion(what everyone seems to love is qazis honesty- then why not arpitas why these double standards). the chat transcript as horrible, and belive me i would be crushed if after all my hardwork this was how ppl viewed me- so all u ppl who seem to think her performance is suffering, this is why- becuase of all this unnecessary hatred that is being targetd against her. why is she hated why is she evil, again for voicing her honest opinionl, then all those people against her, arent u doing the same thing, arent u also voicing ur honest opiniuon agaianst her. then why is she bas why is she being scape goated against. oh and when has she ever said or claimed to be beautiful- or when has she used that to her advantage
She isn't hated for her honesty - it's her dishonesty, hypocrisy and holier-than-thou attitude. She definately is talented, however if she had the honesty and humble attitude of Qazi, she'd definately be a fan favourite. If a whole lot of people told me that i had an attitude problem, i was dishonest and political - I would stop and take a very hard look at myself and then improve in those areas to try and win the hearts of all the nay-sayers.
As for the public voiceing their opinion - at least they're telling how they feel straight to her face, and not being nice to her during the chat and talking about how bad she is offline - like how she does with fellow contestants.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
oh and this brave sacrifice that rupreka and qazi made, wasnt so brave. qazi knew that he would be saved by the public anyways, and rooprekha herself saiod that she would have saved arpita.
Sure Qazi would've been saved by the Janta however the point still stands that he could have eliminated either Arpita or Rex, yet he took it as a challenge and did not eliminate either one of them. Same with Ruprekha, who later felt that she may have made the wrong decision in saving both of them. Seeing Arpita and Rex's attitudes, there were very high chances that if the roles were reversed they would've got rid of either Qazi or Ruprekha.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
to conclude, (i know this is very long) i dont think arpita is bad at al. shes honest and exceptionally talented and belive me that is all that matters in a singing competition (especially in one where the faculty, the judges and the audience even are largely bias). i have nothing against qazi, i think he sings well now and has improved a lot, ant i wont mind if he wins. but arpita i belive is the most deserving candidate, and she works very hard. shes just misunderstood and misrepresented. i dont expect to alter the negativity against her all of sudden ( tho it is sad how badly shes targeted, imagine how u would feel in her place, shes not a bad person. she has a good heart, for no one bad could ever be so hardworking and ethical) , but i do hope that it lessens and that she gets some support. for frankly she is fantastic, and if she doesnt get chosen, i will be very disappointed with the public of india, who i feel would then have no regard for talent or hardwork (which are all that matter no?- again imagine urself in her place, is honesty really that bad)
Actually, you sound like you haven't been thrown into the real-world yet. Try working for a corporation, there are thousands of 'Arpitas' around - they'll be extremely nice to you to your face yet once you turn your back they'll bad-mouth you in a second. If they don't get what they want, they'll complain even though they're not the most deserving. Do they work hard? Of course - they work as hard as you and me, however they lack the humility and down-to-earth attitude as a 'general worker'.
You know, where I work - there are sales reps that bring in million dollar customers however they are real pricks when it comes to attitude - nobody likes them at all. Do they work hard? Definately. Does the general workforce like them, hell no.
You're claim of " for no one bad could ever be so hardworking and ethical" is totally false in the real world.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
to end i pray that all who hve suffered from the earthquake recover, and witnes their life return to normalcy immediately, and that very few casualties remain, and i beg u to- in this world of negativity- just think and consider, and judge with an open and fair mind
My thoughts and prayers to the earthquake victims as well.
As for the negativity - just because a judgement is negative does not mean it was made with a biased mind.
Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004
(i no this has been very long, but this will be my first and last post- tho i hope to post this elsewhere as well-but i had to say how i felt)
BEST OF LUCK ARPITA- I THINK URE THE BEST
Just please don't spam the same post everywhere..once is sufficient.
CID
