Dharmakshetra :) - Page 31

Originally posted by: AnuMP

@Adishakti

Krishna argued against war. I happen to think he went on peace process intending it to fail. PANCHALI did argue for war. And she wasn't Uttara to think war is child's play. She knew what the consequences would be. I think she did want war but I don't think she wanted it for petty personal reasons. She had already got Bheem to go against Y once, she could have done so again if that was all she wanted.

As for Krishna wanting war for population control. Again without bringing in the divinity aspect, how would he know that even with a reduced population, civilization would be well, since the baddies had the bigger army.

I believe it was a desperate attempt at social reformation.

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Amrita

I won't say she is the root cause of the war. Because people who say THAT usually mean she wanted it for revenge. I would fight tooth and nail anyone who suggested that she wanted the war for petty personal vendetta or that she didn't understand the consequences.

I do mean she wanted the war and knew the consequences but also knew that sometimes peace is a sin.

Originally posted by: Arijit007

revenge or justice, in both way the war was needed. as for panchali being bloodthirsty? it was actualy shakuni's dices, bhishma's pratigya, gandhari's blinfold, dhrit's blindness, dury's ambition and many other things that were the reasons behind the war, why blame draupadi only???

Originally posted by: amritat

Bcoz she is the easy target.

Dear Brahmaputra,

I have read several point of view articles on Mahabharata as well as kMG and southern recessions, but there is absolutely no mention or evidence of any social reformation, Revolution or even a any change in any form. Things are exactly the same, whether its economy, politics or social structures absolutely no evidence of any change post KK war.

hmm, it is a little debatable about the social revolution thing. well, lets discuss about the events after the swargarohana, shal we? it may also include the stories of parikshit and janmejaya.

Is Dharmksetra over? No promo for the next episode?

Guys have u all discussed the Nak- Sah epi? I just watched it today and was thinking of sharing something..

I think eventually everyone wanted war. Although everyone keeps on blaming each other for letting the war happen I guess it is because everyone wanted war, or atleast the majority of characters did the war break out. For me, everyone including Keshav is human so he alone cannot make the war happen. I am sure Yudhi wanted the good of the people and he was clever enough to understand that war is the only way in which he can be the Samrat. Bheem and Draupadi obviously wanted and so did Nak-Sahdev. Sahdev knew everything anyway and there is no reason for Nakul to be against war. Kunti too wanted war for sure and that is the reason she revealed the truth to Karna when she did and for the reason she is blamed even today. (Not going to to debate please :P)
Obviously for Dhrit and Gandhari it is politically correct to say war should not happen but on the other hand Kauravas had the most able warriors so Duryodhan had the chance to win. And regarding Bheeshma,Drona etc. I am sure they understood without war nothing would happen.
It is like the partition of Bengal. At that time, it broke the homes of innocents, there were so many riots etc. but today India is a better place for what happened then so a positive outcome is there. And in Dwapar Yug people knew everything right
In addition, I guess Arjun had a different story. I think it is ONLY him who did not want war (pre Geeta Gyan). He could not object to it coz of his same reason of thinking what he thinks is not as good as what Yudhi and Bheem thinks and in his mind he felt he is not a good decision maker and hence stayed away from taking decisions. (We can see so many instances everywhere). And I somehow feel even after the most intelligent and philosophical Geeta Gyan, Arjun still did not fight with all his mind. He was still unwilling to fight but eventually did and I believe if he would fight with all his mind and will, Kurukshetra would be shorter and Keshav would not have to play so many "tricks". Yes, maybe defeating Bheeshma would be tough but the other fights Arjun fought, they would have been better. In whatr ways would war benefit him anyway? Neither was he gonna be King neither would he get some great new weapon. In fact there was the risk of loosing his loved ones (on his side like Abhimanyu etc.) . Why would Arjun want to fight!
But he knew that is was inevitable, and without him, it would not be as it is and after Keshav convinving him to find Arjun had to disagree to agree with his heart and go for what his head tells him - fight. :)

I am sorry if you guys already discussed something like this but just wanted to post this.. :) No offence!

Brishti

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Brishti

In KMG, the only people including who wanted are were Satyaki, Sahdev and Panchali. Bheem clearly says he DOES NOT want war. Yudhi does not want war. Arjun does not want war. I believe even Panchali's brothers and father were reluctant

Krishna was talking about working for peace but Panchali came in and talked about waging war with or without any of them and he promised her annihilation.

But once they decided on war, they were all committed completely except for Arjun. Even after Gita Gyan, he was reluctant to fight Bheeshma. My reading of that part of KMG shows SHIKHANDI firing arrows at him. Bheeshma says to Dushy (of all people😆), that its not Shikhandi's arrows. Till Abhi baby died that brutal death, he WAS reluctant. The Kauravas' worst tactical mistake was Abhi's killing. They unleashed Arjun with that

I totally agree with the last part. It is with the killing of Abhi that Arjun was raged and it worked faster than the whole Geeta Gyan. 😆

and they say that geeta was actualy ment to provoke arjun. priceless.