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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: 23Pooja23

Hi, I had read your post when you first wrote it and i was quite impressed with some of the things you said and how you had an answer for everyone.. At first, post-leap I really enjoyed Gunjan and Baldev's interaction. I think it was shown that both really did care about each other. Not only Baldev but Gunjan too. She did use a lot of blackmail but sometimes this blackmail was for his own good. Like when she blackmailed him to eat his food when Baldev hadn't eaten anything.


Hey Pooja, yep agreed. Initially I also thought that they'd sort of developed a camaraderie over the years and was pleasantly surprised about it. Aww I don't remember that blackmail scene... why wasn't Baldev eating and how did she pataoofy him?

Originally posted by: 23Pooja23

To be honest, I hadn't really realised Baldev's double-standards until you pointed them out in this post. Unfortunately, I think a lot of brothers are like that, they'll have one set of rules for their sisters but ignore all these rules when it comes to a girl they like lol.

I know what you mean Pooja. It all goes back to the sort of patriarchal environment one is raised in where these different set of rules for the son and the daughter of the house exist without anyone even registering it let alone questioning it.

Originally posted by: 23Pooja23

But the reason I wanted to comment here now is because I'm really disappointed on how Baldev has completely turned his back on his own sister these past episodes. I know he is concerned about how Gunjan put their family to shame but it does also seem like he is more concerned about having to call Ranvi "jijaji" rather than seeing his sister's distress at being forcibly married off. Yes Gunjan did wrong but being forced to marry someone against your will is still wrong.


Exactly! I am completely appalled at this track because it strips the female of all rights to her life and this is not something I can condone. Even Ranvi is wrong for saying yes to the marriage no matter WHAT the justification, especially since he did not consult Gunjan about her wishes (Did his mobile phone suddenly die? Did he suddenly get amnesia about how she is revolted by him?). And Balwant is the biggest culprit of all because he basically forced everyone to do this through emotional blackmail via suicidal threats. But Baldev - he's her sibling, if from no one else a sister or brother can expect some modicum of support from his/her sibling in a situation where he/she is being forced to do something against their will by their parents. Unless ofcourse that relationship is deeply dysfunctional - which in this case it is.

And to add further insult to the injury said sibling is more concerned about his own affairs, his own bruised ego, his own family's image, his own disgust, his own self-centred imaginary world and so decides that washing his hands off this sister is so much easier. And he does so without even a shred of remorse. It's from this plot we can tell how screwed up even Baldev is by the upbringing in this house. He grew into an otherwise decent guy but with 0 respect for his sister or her rights in the house.

Originally posted by: 23Pooja23

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be angry or disappointed with her but he's acting as if Gunjan is not his problem anymore, as if he just washed his hands of her and now she's somebody else's problem.. As I said, I really liked how their relationship had evolved post-leap and that's why I'm really disappointed in Baldev. No matter what, she is his sister and it shouldn't be so easy for him to turn his back on his family. Be angry, yell, try to reason with her but don't just wash your hands of her. Isn't it a brother's role to guide their sister? If it had been Ranvi and Veera, then I'm pretty sure Ranvi would have sat Veera down and told her his disappointment etc but he would have explained things calmly to her too. He would never just give up on her. Gunjan is at fault for not thinking about what her family would go through but Baldev has a role as an older brother to help her out, to be there for her and have her back. But right now he seems more interested about Veera not talking to him for a day than he is about Gunjan needing help and a bit of reassurance in her life..


Yep, that's my problem.

Also it scares me how neither Bansuri, Baldev or Balwant listen to how desperate Gunjan is sounding post-marriage. I dislike the turn her characterisation has taken like everyone else but what else do you expect to happen when someone's freedom is trampled on in such a horrifying manner. She lives in a society where her "no" is not taken as NO so the only resort left for her is to manipulate that society to come around to her way of thinking. Gunjan may not be a likeable person but she is a victim - first of neglect because she was born a girl, then of the casting couch (though there she is also at fault because when girls agree to this kind of stuff they set a dangerous precedent - men begin to expect that it is "natural" to expect incentives when they are in a position of authority) and now she is a victim of a society that has stripped her of her autonomy (I won't go in further detail on that here, but will provide this link for my stance: https://seriousaboutserials.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/ek-chutki-sindoor/).

How are the writers ever going to make Baldev or Gunjan redeemable I don't know. I stopped watching the show after he told his mom he didn't want to bring her for pag phera but then agrees to only because of his father and their image and after Gunjan decides to manipulate the pind such that they themselves end her marriage with Ranvi (yes I get why she is reacting like this, but I can tell I'm not going to enjoy watching this stuff).

Edited by parul2999 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I totally agree with you 😉 I love this bro-sis relationship, I want to see there care for each other but this is a dream for me to think about
Edited by samira1984 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Gundev is the real reason I watch this show but right know its just hope nothing else
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Posted: 11 years ago
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'Gunjan may not be a likeable person but she is a victim'
Totally agree with you on this Parul. Gunjan has been a victim since childhood. People here fail to realise that both Baldev and Bansuri have contributed to how Gunjan has become now. If both of them had given her love and affection she would not been so insecure in love.
Yes by agreeing to the demands of the producer, Gunjan was at wrong but her main motive behind this was to fulfill her mother's dreams and get her love. It may not seem a good way to achieve all this but for someone who has been deserted of love, this may have been the only way out.
'And to add further insult to the injury said sibling is more concerned about his own affairs, his own bruised ego, his own family's image, his own disgust, his own self-centred imaginary world and so decides that washing his hands off this sister is so much easier'
It's appalling to see Baldev only think about himself. At one point he is upset about regarding his father's health but on the same day he becomes drunk and talks about Veera and their marriage. I thought that perhaps in his drunken state he may think about Gunjan and feel a little upset about her being married but he cared a damn.
Not only that on the day of the pag phera he was too busy wooing Veera and trying to get her attention. It makes no sense whatsover.
'He grew into an otherwise decent guy but with 0 respect for his sister or her rights in the house.'
Yes Baldev may be a likeable character because of his comedy and most importably the love that he has developed for Veera (for veeba fans) but other than that he has 0 love for his sister or any respect. Bansuri has shown no affection for Gunjan and Baldev knows that. He has seen and heard her mother say so many nasty things to Gunjan but yet he could never stick up for her or do any thing to make up for it.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: parul2999

Aww I don't remember that blackmail scene... why wasn't Baldev eating and how did she pataoofy him?

It was when Karan had gone to eat at Veera's house and Baldev was upset about it so he went straight to his room without eating the food that Gunjan had prepared. She then went to his room and blackmailed him that she would not help him in becoming Sarpanch if he didn't eat.

Originally posted by: parul2999

Exactly! I am completely appalled at this track because it strips the female of all rights to her life and this is not something I can condone. Even Ranvi is wrong for saying yes to the marriage no matter WHAT the justification, especially since he did not consult Gunjan about her wishes (Did his mobile phone suddenly die? Did he suddenly get amnesia about how she is revolted by him?). And Balwant is the biggest culprit of all because he basically forced everyone to do this through emotional blackmail via suicidal threats. But Baldev - he's her sibling, if from no one else a sister or brother can expect some modicum of support from his/her sibling in a situation where he/she is being forced to do something against their will by their parents. Unless ofcourse that relationship is deeply dysfunctional - which in this case it is.

I know right? This whole track is completely wrong! So it's ok to force someone into marriage under the pretext of saving that someone's honor? If Gunjan was willing to accept that she lost her honor in front of the pind people then it's her choice, she never saw marrying as a solution to it... I also agree that Ranvi was wrong to accept but I think he kind of got backed into the wall on that one. I mean, he would never have been able to live with the fact that his actions caused the death of someone..so he was always going to say yes..
The real culprit, as you say, is Balwant..he played with everyone's life..

Originally posted by: parul2999

And to add further insult to the injury said sibling is more concerned about his own affairs, his own bruised ego, his own family's image, his own disgust, his own self-centred imaginary world and so decides that washing his hands off this sister is so much easier. And he does so without even a shred of remorse. It's from this plot we can tell how screwed up even Baldev is by the upbringing in this house. He grew into an otherwise decent guy but with 0 respect for his sister or her rights in the house.

Yep, my point exactly..I'm so disappointed in his reaction. To me it's even worse than the way he treated her as a kid. Because as a kid, he had no regards for her, he openly disliked her and Gunjan knew it so she knew that she could never expect his support. But now, they had some kind of bond.. so for him to just disregard her like that is more hurtful to Gunjan than his previous childhood actions.
In fact during the rituals and the wedding, Gunjan did look up at him a few times as if expecting him to save her from this, but he always just looked away..

Originally posted by: parul2999

Yep, that's my problem.

Also it scares me how neither Bansuri, Baldev or Balwant listen to how desperate Gunjan is sounding post-marriage. I dislike the turn her characterisation has taken like everyone else but what else do you expect to happen when someone's freedom is trampled on in such a horrifying manner. She lives in a society where her "no" is not taken as NO so the only resort left for her is to manipulate that society to come around to her way of thinking. Gunjan may not be a likeable person but she is a victim - first of neglect because she was born a girl, then of the casting couch (though there she is also at fault because when girls agree to this kind of stuff they set a dangerous precedent - men begin to expect that it is "natural" to expect incentives when they are in a position of authority) and now she is a victim of a society that has stripped her of her autonomy (I won't go in further detail on that here, but will provide this link for my stance: https://seriousaboutserials.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/ek-chutki-sindoor/).

How are the writers ever going to make Baldev or Gunjan redeemable I don't know. I stopped watching the show after he told his mom he didn't want to bring her for pag phera but then agrees to only because of his father and their image and after Gunjan decides to manipulate the pind such that they themselves end her marriage with Ranvi (yes I get why she is reacting like this, but I can tell I'm not going to enjoy watching this stuff).

Yep, same here. She is clearly desperate and when desperate, one can do anything. Can't they see how unstable she is acting? Honestly when someone acts this out of character, there is a problem and her parents/brother should wake up and take actions instead of pushing her away and isolating her even more. And no, marrying her off is not considered as "taking actions"!
And to what you said in bold 👏
I have also decided to stop watching the show since yesterday , it has become unbearable to watch.
What happened to the show that used to focus on the empowerment of women? The same show that had Ratan becoming the strongest and fierce woman of the whole pind even after all she went through is now showing that it's ok to force a woman to marry under the pretext of "saving her honor"...
Seriously I don't understand what they are trying to do..
I think I'll start watching again when they start Gunjan's redemption. I would like to see how they are going to handle that..
Edited by 23Pooja23 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ASRaddictKKG

I completely and totally agree with all your points except where you call Baldev a hypocrite. I don't see that.

He behaves the same with Gunjan and Veera. He disliked Veera going out at night, hugging Karan etc. And there are many other instances. He's right or wrong in thinking such things is another matter but he's definitely NOT a hypocrite.


👍🏼 @ Addict you are so right!! Our Baldeva is totally NOT Hypocrite!! There is different between every character!! Ranvi can't be Baldeva! Cause ranvi is a muture boy!! And Baldeva is not that mature!! And so there is a Whole Difference between this character!!
But Baldev is NOT👎🏼 AT ALL a hypocrite!!
Edited by DazzilerDizzy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Baldev is not hypocrite😊 but as a brother I just confuse his action😭

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