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Posted: 9 years ago
@ Wooster: It certainly has. I am quite inclined to take a break and peep in two weeks hence -- when the next new "show" will commence -- and also find out what happened to this "show".

@ GRabIT: Indeed. The only consistent factor is that they are married.

Re him asking her why she did what she did, do you mean refer to the duelling ground before he walked away? Or at some other time? I would have thrown brickbats at him for attempting that in public.

And, in private, she did attempt to explain why she did what she did.

Given that his opening statement was that she lacked faith in him, she certainly could not tell him that she came to the duelling ground to die with him to keep her promise of living and dying together.

Now that I've typed that out, even that doesn't make sense. She has faith in his abilities, but sought Rajmata's permission to go to the duelling ground to die with him, if need be.

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He certainly does not consider that he could ever be bested in a duel. An extra ounce of pride there, perhaps?

Now, yet another seeming inconsistency, but perhaps not.

After his win, Ranaji declared that he fought the duel for the respect of his subjects. That was what one would have assumed was the underlying reason for him accepting the challenge in the first place. Wooster, I remember your reply on this.

What happened to his subsequent private declaration that he would now fight the duel to win the trust of his Queen? He did not acknowledge that reason, by even glancing her way or nodding to her, while making his victory declaration. It could be because he was quite upset for that "shrieking" entrance (understandable as it was). which halted the banshee in mid-strike and and also for her intrusion in his decision-making re Avdesh. These, in his view, underscored yet again that she certainly did not have faith in his abilities.

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By scripting her entrance in such a way, the creatives have deliberately taken liberties with Gayatri's character which will have many questioning her actions too. If she had faith that her husband would win, she would not have felt impelled to be at the duelling ground to die with her husband. As Rajmata said, it was her battle to be fought in private. And she failed that, with Rajmata's permission, of course.

Now, consider that the ladies were in the balcony, in full view of the public, watching the duel and not in a secluded room. Her shriek could just as easily have been heard and she could just as easily have been seen by Avdesh -- to provide the distraction (and no, I am not happy with that either!) -- even if she had remained with Rajmata and the other ladies.
Edited by anobserver - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
If rant ever serves for something!!!, quoting myself from Simran's whislist

Originally posted by: arshisfan



We wanted male camaderie but with good male friends ya loyal counselors, not a man who makes the hero look dumb! Do you know how distasteful and demeaning to Ranaji's character it is when we see his wife stalked and eyed by that man while ranaji is clueless and treating this guy as a friend!!!

And what a friend!! the man who cheated in the fight who was ready to kill him few hours back and who uperse confessed killing his own brothers.!!! If this is not butchering Ranaji's character and insulting his basic common sense then what it is?! It doesn't even need any particular form of intelligence!!!

So sad and how ironical, the first wish in the list was Ranaji's brains but ye to ulta hogaya they are stripping him off what was left of it from the previous tracks. If with BRM we justified it by his deep emotional connection to her since childhood; with Avdesh CVs have no other justification to make Ranaji trust Avdesh and play good friends with him!! They are insulting their own creation (Ranaji), and they are penalizing us for having loving it to the point of defending it more than them!!!


You want to make us believe that this is the same man who fought the world war for six years and survived it and we know he can only survive if he is alert and intelligent enough to evade Nazis' attacks, the same man who was skeptical and well aware of his chacha's intentions no matter how much buttering of him his chacha does!! the wise king who used to investigate and go to the bottom of things, the man with the presence of mind!!! sorry that man wouldn't have behaved this way no matter how much his heart is good, I know Ranaji has a gem of a heart but he had also brains!! Lately you are portraying him not only us a person who can't judge properly but as a naive guy, and and his actions come as irresponsible as they are definitely jeopardizing his wife's honor and his family's safety and also his kingdom if anything ever happens to Ranaji!



I even brought in another character from another desi soap too who wasn't butchered, though Ranaji is a class apart and has way more to him had they kept his brains intact just to tell them they can create drama, garner TRPs without butchering that beautiful creation

Originally posted by: arshisfan




@ Bold I wonder if there can be any after this point:!!!!, I mean wasn't handing over the throne to Chachaji, knowing what kind of people he is and what it implies for praja, enough!!! They had to butcher him even further by trusting Avdesh!! It's about a love story, right?!!! Do they want people to have zero respect for their hero?!!! portray him as a man who can be fooled by any Tom, Deck and Harry?!! and then justify all this by his good heart and making his wife the intuitive person who comes with solutions!!! we have seen many other hindi shows, who worked and garnered TRPs without demeaning the male lead to this point! look at Maan Singh Kurana from Geet, he was portrayed as the protector, yet the adviser and the supporter who encouraged the heroine to take her own decisions and stand for herself, yes they showed him as an angry young man but he always trusted her when it came to the biggest matters, didn't judge her pregnancy, stood by her side through thick and thin and even when he hurted her though unintentionally and out of anger in which he was really justified, they gave a long track of redemption where he woowed her back!

By the way I no blind fan of that show or of the lead character, but yes he was a character that deserves respect, he had no double standards, his brother was the one who made the mistakes, he wasn't biased to him!


I didn't mean to compare Ranaji to any other character, Ranaji the original version of him has it all and more even, as he wasn't the typical angry young man, he isn't even now, I mean the way he was hurt because he thought Gayatri doesn't trust him yet talked to her in a very clam way, they should stop saying that he is short-tempered because he isn't, he is oozing class, nobless and everytthing but they are putting in question his ability to judge properly and responsibly, the man who didn't accept the lagan on water, the one who accepted to get married for his praja can't hand over the throne to Kunwar Chacha, the perceptive king can't trust a man who was claiming the throne few hours back, who cheated to win the fight!! Ranaji as portrayed before knows well about politics and what people can do for power, he knows about his Chacha, he asked sewaks to taste Gayatri's food, he even kidnapped his Kunwar Chacha to make him confess about Gayatri's shooting accident. You can't demean him this much!!!


Actually they should feel lucky to have Siddhant as the male lead, he portays Ranaji with so much class and brings his royal composed side that it's difficult to hate the man you see in front of you but still it's a butchered version, you can't block your mind when you see Avdesh looking at Gayatri with the presence of Ranaji who is completely clueless about what's happening, he is bound to look stupid and not only that, a man who can't see his woman is being eyed by another man! obviously it doesn't give a good image about Ranaji, as he is supposed to be the protector of this woman not only by his physical strength but by his brains and perceptiveness too!


I don't know if I make sense, if I'm being harsh, all I know is it doesn't look good and once again the character who is getting the blows is Ranaji's!


The only way this can be redeemed is by showing Ranaji did all this to keep his enemy under his eyes till he tries to make a wrong move and he catches him, though even this should be woven intelligently to make it convincing because bringing the Cobra in your house isn't a very smart move!



Edited by arshisfan - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
One last thing, I don't think channel or Cvs/PH will listen, they are gettint TRPs and the channel which has a favorite sautan award won't listen either as long as TRPs are there!

It's not like creatives don't know what we think!!!!
Ironically the tweet cracked me up!


Romance too is pushed to monday, so even when you put your brains to rest and want to see scenes of the beautiful couple ignoring any logic, you won't get them on friday you should wait for the weekend to end! Not that romance is of much use when you can't even connect to characters, but still at times when you watch the scene oblivious of who they even are, and what they did, you might end up liking the visuals, but lo you won't get that either !



To sump up, it's their daal roti, I understand, but I believe they could have still gotten their TRPs without compromising this much on characterisation, won't you feel bad for destroying a thing you created with some much love just because you was under some constraint!!
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: arshisfan

One last thing, I don't think channel or Cvs/PH will listen, they are gettint TRPs and the channel which has a favorite sautan award won't listen either as long as TRPs are there!

It's not like creatives don't know what we think!!!!
Ironically the tweet cracked me up!


Romance too is pushed to monday, so even when you put your brains to rest and want to see scenes of the beautiful couple ignoring any logic, you won't get them on friday you should wait for the weekend to end! Not that romance is of much use when you can't even connect to characters, but still at times when you watch the scene oblivious of who they even are, and what they did, you might end up liking the visuals, but lo you won't get that either !



To sump up, it's their daal roti, I understand, but I believe they could have still gotten their TRPs without compromising this much on characterisation, won't you feel bad for destroying a thing you created with some much love just because you was under some constraint!!



They don't give a damn...a writer normally loves the character he or she creates...these people don't think twice before blowing it all up...!
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Posted: 9 years ago
I do have the patience to wait for the romance. Its one of the few things that makes sense still, but not too happy it being a few crumbs every few episodes.
Currently only banking on Lakhan-Swarna s/l, RaGa romance, RM-Gayatri scenes. The rest i'm actually tired about debating any longer.
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Posted: 9 years ago
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/advisory-to-channels-on-superstitious-content/article7972626.ece?homepage=true

Much needed! Also would love to see more finite series with reasonable stories.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Dont expect anything on monday. The precap is horrible! How low will the cvs stoop? These two always romance in the open? For every one to see and I'm the room they sleep like platonic strangers. I don't want to say anymore. Avdesh disgusts me
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: bcbs_srk

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/advisory-to-channels-on-superstitious-content/article7972626.ece?homepage=true

Much needed! Also would love to see more finite series with reasonable stories.



TFS!

"If the channels persist and continue to violate the advisory, a fine of up to Rs. 30 lakh can be imposed. If they pay up and continue to violate the advisory, the matter is referred to the Information and Broadcasting Ministry, which issues the 10-year licence to broadcasters. Five offences committed by the channels lead to the licence being revoked."

This is really good!
Hopefully we'll have one for sticking to the plot & not annoying viewers as well soon.😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
There was no need for madam nilanjana to tweet about upcoming romantic sequence. Precap suggest that there is nothing to enjoy, lots of interruptions will be there. I am really upset now, why cant they give a single romance scene without villains peeking. This is disgusting.
Ps- I loved Rnj's dialogue ham chahkar bhi nishana galat nahi laga sakte 👍🏼
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Posted: 9 years ago
Exactly.
Why can't they give us some good scenes with only the leads? Even in any track? Always a third person has to watch them?

This is becoming a nonsense really. They don't care what audience want.

I don't want any romance . Let ETR be only about one villain after another entering the palace and roaming around doing saazish. I am disgusted with myself for watching this show expecting something good.

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