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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: -Sush-


That is too superficial for me...Bertie! A deeper angst has to be rooted in more than "implementing" a solution. Thats my exact problem with this...I am not with the popular opinion here...which is that he has moved on...Matter closed...what is left is to break the news...implement the solution as you put it... Well ,...to me "moving on" has a different context when she was dead...and a very different one when she is alive. It can't be that superficial...it can't be that easy...hence the anxiety or the angst! It should be actually worse if we consider the era...and the fact that he is a King and she his first wife a queen...you don't just "move on" from that...It can not be that easy in his psyche as well...like Gayatri said...marriages are for life ...Yes...they are...in that era...and although it is an inconvenient truth...the same sentence is applicable to both marriages not one...selectively.

To me that is not enough...perhaps not a view shared by others...but that is my perspective...


Sush...may I just say this...you are thinking logically...I am thinking emotionally...hence the divergent points of view...!

It is as easy as that, Sush..when you know what you want, it is as easy as that...past ties, memories etc can have no hold over what you want...not a morally upstanding position maybe...but when you are in love, sometimes all your righteousness falls by the wayside...may well not be the right thing but it does happen...!

Indravadhan's problem is that he is neither able to do the right nor is he able to freely choose his love...! It is not about making the choice but in the acting on it! His heart is not letting him do what is right maybe but his mind is not letting him do complete injustice to Sulakshana by shirking his responsibilities towards her...at this point, that is what she has become...a responsibility...!
See, considering the era, Indravadhan shouldn't have had to make the choice...he could have had both...right or wrong is a different issue...but here, he wants to make that choice...not just for G but for himself...and the era that he lives in and his innate sense of justice are not allowing him to exercise the choice...!

Also, I disagree with you on how moving on becomes different now that she is alive...if he has moved on in his heart, he has...you can't turn the heart back simply because she has come back alive...there might be some residual care...which is what caused him to nurse her...but no love that makes him want to be with her...!


It is the actual process of 'moving on' that has been made difficult because of her return...which is the modus operandi at the end of the day...to minimize collateral damage..!

I don't think it is about fans...I find it quite realistic actually...and you forget, all the conflict has already happened...when he kept her alive in his heart...when he felt guilty and conflicted...and torn between G and his guilt towards Sulakshana's memory..Sulakshana has been the third person all along in their marriage...and now when she is actually there, there is no space for her between them..!

The irony is that when she has come back alive, she is pretty much dead in his heart...or at least, her memories have been pushed back by a love that leave not much space for them..!









Edited by BertieWooster - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: BertieWooster


Sush...may I just say this...you are thinking logically...I am thinking emotionally...hence the divergent points of view...!

It is as easy as that, Sush..when you know what you want, it is as easy as that...past ties, memories etc can have no hold over what you want...not a morally upstanding position maybe...but when you are in love, sometimes all your righteousness falls by the wayside...may well not be the right thing but it does happen...!

Indravadhan's problem is that he is neither able to do the right nor is he able to freely choose his love...! It is not about making the choice but in the acting on it! His heart is not letting him do what is right maybe but his mind is not letting him do complete injustice to Sulakshana by shirking his responsibilities towards her...at this point, that is what she has become...a responsibility...!
See, considering the era, Indravadhan shouldn't have had to make the choice...he could have had both...right or wrong is a different issue...but here, he wants to make that choice...not just for G but for himself...and the era that he lives in and his innate sense of justice are not allowing him to exercise the choice...!

Also, I disagree with you on how moving on becomes different now that she is alive...if he has moved on in his heart, he has...you can't turn the heart back simply because she has come back alive...there might be some residual care...which is what caused him to nurse her...but no love that makes him want to be with her...!


It is the actual process of 'moving on' that has been made difficult because of her return...which is the modus operandi at the end of the day...to minimize collateral damage..!

I don't think it is about fans...I find it quite realistic actually...and you forget, all the conflict has already happened...when he kept her alive in his heart...when he felt guilty and conflicted...and torn between G and his guilt towards Sulakshana's memory..Sulakshana has been the third person all along in their marriage...and now when she is actually there, there is no space for her between them..!

The irony is that when she has come back alive, she is pretty much dead in his heart...or at least, her memories have been pushed back by a love that leave not much space for them..!




HI Bertie, I don't have a problem with the "emotional" side...I don't expect him to feel "in love" with Sula...He feels strongly for Gayatri ...emotionally...that part is well done. But Thats only one part of the story...The "angst" is created when the other part is equally strong the "sense of duty" and his deep rooted commitment to it. That's what creates the intensity...

Any who this is a temporary problem...soon everyone is going to know Sula is fake...and that will be the real end of the story...I wish ...I saw the intensity for which the whole story was brought to fore...

We have different perspectives...and that's totally fine...right? .😊


Edited by -Sush- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
He has been trying to do justice to sulakshana. Watch the prior episodes. He has been observing her.
Someone who has been dead and mourned for comes alive suddenly after a long gap. Meanwhile certain things .he believes she is sulakshana but he is unable to feel her anymore.

I agree with one thing. Ranas inner turmoil is not focused enough but Gayathri Is focused. But that's the rule of desi soaps. Gayathri is the lead and not sulakshana. But whatever way the track is being handled is better than what we expected.

After 're watching the vms and few episodes I understand your view.

Rana wants Gayathri but he us unable to let go of
sulakshana too. What if she was indeed the real one? Wouldn't it be a grave injustice to her?

Rana has to take time and really understand and decide who is the one who rules both his mind and heart. He can't allow one to rule his mind and other his heart and go on forever.

But sadly the FL has to gain sympathy to gain TRP.
Edited by chennaigirl - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: -Sush-


That is too superficial for me...Bertie! A deeper angst has to be rooted in more than "implementing" a solution. Thats my exact problem with this...I am not with the popular opinion here...which is that he has moved on...Matter closed...what is left is to break the news...implement the solution as you put it... Well ,...to me "moving on" has a different context when she was dead...and a very different one when she is alive. It can't be that superficial...it can't be that easy...hence the anxiety or the angst! It should be actually worse if we consider the era...and the fact that he is a King and she his first wife a queen...you don't just "move on" from that...It can not be that easy in his psyche as well...like Gayatri said...marriages are for life ...Yes...they are...in that era...and although it is an inconvenient truth...the same sentence is applicable to both marriages not one...selectively.

To me this version is not enough...perhaps not a view shared by others...but that is my perspective...

In my story...either he will have deeper angst or be suspicious ...Gayatri will not be the only smart one to smell something fishy and uncover the truth...while he sits there looking clueless...and projecting feelings that are not doing full justice to his character...but alas it is a desi soap...and the FL has to wear the pants...whenever uncovering something substantial is concerned...and they are apparently choosing to not go the deeper angst route...to keep the "fans" happy who want full devotion to Gayatri.



Completely agree with you, Sush. I am a silent reader of your posts and have always enjoyed the discussions that go on here. Just wanted to add something today. The ongoing discussion on 'moving on' reminds me of 'Cast Away'. If I remember correctly (it's been long since I have watched that movie), the character played by Helen Hunt had moved on by the time Tom Hank returns after four years, but she still comes back at the end to give him a kiss and say 'goodbye'. You can still see (and feel) her emotional involvement even though she has moved on (got married again and has a daughter). People do move on, but it can never be that simple and easy! Sulakshana was his first love (and wife). Either there should be a lot of emotional conflict or suspicion. It has to be one or the other, in my opinion. 😊Thanks again for the lovely posts everyone and interesting discussions!
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Posted: 9 years ago
I know what you mean Sush. It is hard to watch an intelligent King struggle to make such a huge decision in his life.He is giving due respect to Sula , at G's cost. That is clear. But apart from asking G to stay on, he does'nt seem to have any solutions!
While I am going with the flow with the RAGA relationship, I do wonder where is his conscience, his mother, RM? Then I remembered when BRM is around, Ranaji is more or less with her, more than his mom, unless RM throws a tantrum, for eg: all the instances of the wedding. He is closer to BRM than his own mother. Note how his expression changes when BRM enters the room, all smiles, totally opposite to what feels inside. RM has a handle on what affects him, but their relationship is fraught with too much baggage.

So nilanjana answered//countered a few questions, problem is most DD fans ask her questions, noone has asked her anything to do with Rana😆

A quick paraphrasing, whatever I remember:

Qt: Why can't G divorce Ranaji?
N: There was no divorce in those days. Logical path would be that she lives a lonely life, dies alone?

Qt: Why can't she find a new king?
N: She is 27, married, unrefined, how many Kings can her father buy???!!

Qt:Why cannot she become a freedom fighter, make us happy, and her parents happy?
N: Then Drashti and me would be out of a job in two weeks.

Qt: A man should'nt a woman, she is weaker.
N: No questions were raised when G slapped Ranaji. I was even told its ok if Sula is slapped?

QT: Where is the novelty?
N: All stories in the world come from 7 basic stories.

Qt: You should be ashamed
N: I provide entertainment, my job to see that 200 people don't lose their jobs if the serial does badly. My personal ideologies are personal to me.

QT: How dare Ranaji make her a servant?
N: Have you seen the episode?

I really hope I am not violating any forum rules by recounting a bit of the conversation. If it si a problem, I will delete it, and send a PM to those interested.





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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Infofan

@ Soupster, where art thou?

Please give us your tippani on today's episode😛



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Posted: 9 years ago
I'm bit lost here.

i thought RNJ doesn't believe it's his Sulu who is back, because his heart doesn't tell him so.

Then why should he feel any angst at all, in making a choice. IMO, there's nothing for him to choose,only a strange problem to solve and he asked G for time to get to the bottom of it.

What I didn't understand is why is G giving him ultimatums when she trusted him just the previous night?

I watched y'day's epi and like Jhumki.She reminds me of Parineeeti Chopra.

I skipped BRM's part. I don't like elders abusing the trust young people have in them.

Might skip the crowning and re-tune for slapgate.

Edit-Just saw the precap, I'm rooting for Lakhan-Swarna.
Edited by simran_singh_24 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: -Sush-


HI Bertie, I don't have a problem with the "emotional" side...I don't expect him to feel "in love" with Sula...He feels strongly for Gayatri ...emotionally...that part is well done. But Thats only one part of the story...The "angst" is created when the other part is equally strong the "sense of duty" and his deep rooted commitment to it. That's what creates the intensity...

Any who this is a temporary problem...soon everyone is going to know Sula is fake...and that will be the real end of the story...I wish ...I saw the intensity for which the whole story was brought to fore...

We have different perspectives...and that's totally fine...right? .😊


Hi all,

Sorry to interrupt..Liked all the views.. lovely.. But Ranajis heart versus mind conflict should only begin if Sulakshana is indeed his real Sula..Now his not even sure whether its her.. his heart has not yet accepted that.. When Gayatri asks him to choose between the two.. it should not be difficult.. as of now he feels only for Gayatri.. but giving Sulkshana benefit of doubt.. Actually its weird that he cried for his SOna for Six long years and when she is bak.. he does not feel for her at all..

Funny that the mask also does other things that Sona used to do.. Like talking in English.. and er mannerisms etc.. Which the lady undr the mask cant do.. so mask is magical.. I guess..
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Posted: 9 years ago
@sush
Of course Sush...how boring would get if all of us agreed all the time...

I would request you to visit the last three episodes thought...for whatever it is worth...I think the conflict you're talking about is showcased in all of them...it was also there at the picnic table yesterday..

If you're talking of devoting more screen time to establishing the same, then I wouldn't disagree...am only too happy to see more of RNJ 😆

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