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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: arshisfan



There is a citation in spanish which says ' en el corazon no se manda" which means you can't control your heart as in u can't give it orders! so him checking on Gayatri, caring about her feelings is normal, but he takes care of Sona and might even feel guilty for her

He has a sense of duty, therefore he was attending to Sona, she said she is scared, he stayed in the room instead of running to Gayatri, he is being quite considerate with Sona and the best proof that he has the sense of duty is that since she is his first wife and the first Rani he will even give her the crown tomorrow, though knowing it might hurt Gayatri, yes britishers are forcing but it's mainly what BRM said about who is haqdar by priority of it which would make him do that

So I don't think Ranaji is at fault, or unfair to Sona, he thought she was dead, he moved on and fell in love again he can't undo that and go back just to make Sona happy! he is trying his best to see through the situation to be the closest to fair possible

He is the king but he is a human being too, so he displays both sides! Duty vs Heart


Didn't feel it...arshifan!😕
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: anobserver

Where is RNJ's manfriday? Bhanu? He has been missing for a while. Of course, he could be on some royal errand. But, 'tis been far too long.

Interestingly, after Badi Rani Maa walks off, Rajmata refers to Gayatri as Rani Gayatri and Sulakshana as Sulakshana., not Rani Sulakshana (Sulakshana zinda kaise hui?). Previous bad blood there?


Given that they've continued to keep the "lady" under a veil, should we be looking at Bhanu again?
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Posted: 9 years ago


OK guys...this is what could have worked...

The actress playing Sula...should have a cunning expression rather than a sad one when she looked at RAGA hug...no one was watching her...

I need more from SK...I don't want him to show that he feels for Sula...but still there has to be more than what he is giving...As far as he knows she is his first love...his wife...who has come back...It's not all about BRM instructing him to do things...his own feeling of confusion, duty should kick in...And if he doubts that she is real...which is why he is not feeling anything...that should be shown...

DD did well...don't needs anything more from her...Although the bare backs...are not going with the scenes...

On my side...skipping and lack of continuity probably didn't help...

Please ignore my disappointment...it could be just a Sush issue...
Edited by -Sush- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: anobserver


Given that they've continued to keep the "lady" under a veil, should we be looking at Bhanu again?


The black veiled lady is a man...I am pretty sure...My drag queen theory will hold...If it is not LR...it is a lover of his...😆
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: -Sush-



OK guys...this is what could have worked...

The actress playing Sula...should have a cunning expression rather than a sad one when she looked at RAGA hug...no one was watching her...

I need more from SK...I don't want him to show that he feels for Sula...but still there has to be more than what he is giving...As far as he knows he is his first love...his wife...who has come back...It's not all about BRM instructing him to do things...his own feeling of confusion, duty should kick in...And if he doubts that she is real...which is why he is not feeling anything...that should be shown...

DD did well...don't needs anything more from her...Although the bare backs...are not going with the scenes...

On my side...skipping and lack of continuity probably didn't help...

Please ignore my disappointment...


I'm going with Wooster's friend on this one -- the mask makes it difficult for her to emote! The mask was probably designed to give a forlorn expression.

Sush, I get what you are saying. But, we probably saw a glimpse of that -- confusion, duty, etc -- when he stayed back in the room and waited for her to wake up after he took her into the palace. We saw a glimpse of that when he chased after her after she caught him breaking Gayatri's fast. We saw a glimpse of that when he accompanied her back to her room after and stayed back at her request and stared out of the window into the sky. Of course, no monologue for me to back that up.

The one straw I am holding on to is that he asked Gayatri for time. I am hoping that he sought time so that he could make independent inquiries. And he'll reveal it all later. But that's wishful thinking.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: anobserver


I'm going with Wooster's friend on this one -- the mask makes it difficult for her to emote! The mask was probably designed to give a forlorn expression.

Sush, I get what you are saying. But, we probably saw a glimpse of that when he stayed back in the room and waited for her to wake up after he took her into the palace. We saw a glimpse of that when he chased after her after she caught him breaking Gayatri's fast. We saw a glimpse of that when he accompanied her back to her room after and stayed back at her request and stared out of the window into the sky. Of course, no monologue for me to back that up.

The one straw I am holding on to is that he asked Gayatri for time. I am hoping that it is he sought time so that he could make independent inquiries. And he'll reveal it all later. But that's wishful thinking.


No...the time was not to investigate...the time was to find a solution...his head believes that it is Sulakshana...BRM has said it and he has accepted it after the initial disbelief and anger...and the few conflicting signs he saw...

I think that is the beauty of this track...the blind faith he reposes on those whom he trusts...not a kingly thing maybe...but quite human...

The track works for me only because he thinks it is Sulakshana...his angst would never work otherwise...his anguish is because he is hurting the woman he loves...but is unable to disregard the woman he once loved...! Because she was his wife and Queen too. How does he tell her that he has moved on? How does he ask her to leave? How does he tell her that G is his present and future? He is unable to find the words, unable to find the right solution for the three of them...it is to find that he seeks time...not the truth...

My interpretation 😳
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Posted: 9 years ago
My thoughts on the current track, it is not coming off as badly as I thought it would. Like BW, said, and I have the exact same interpretation of the situation with Ranaji: the little signs indicate she is Sulakshana, but he is not able to give her that affection because he has moved on.Earlier he felt he could never love any other woman and he has said so to G, but now he realises things are different. It is not fair to Sula, what if she was the real one? Would she walk off, leaving RAGA to live their lives, like in the movie Basera? That is too much to expect from a soap drama😆. So she has to be fake, PERIOD.
I loved the scene at the lake, both of them arguing like a husband and wife, you don't understand, and he says, you think its easy. Again, I find it lovely that Ranaji only communicates with G in this manner, not with BRM or with RM. he tells her what he feels. And because of that she is not able to walk out or take a stand. She sees his inner struggle.

The hug was lovely, we need more stolen moments like these. DD and Sid in that scene👏. They are doing so well together, With their acting, the whole RAGA relationship is coming through.

Nilanjana had a looong twitter chat, arguing her case. Will post about ti sometime later.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: BertieWooster


No...the time was not to investigate...the time was to find a solution...his head believes that it is Sulakshana...BRM has said it and he has accepted it after the initial disbelief and anger...and the few conflicting signs he saw...

I think that is the beauty of this track...the blind faith he reposes on those whom he trusts...not a kingly thing maybe...but quite human...

The track works for me only because he thinks it is Sulakshana...his angst would never work otherwise...his anguish is because he is hurting the woman he loves...but is unable to disregard the woman he once loved...! Because she was his wife and Queen too. How does he tell her that he has moved on? How does he ask her to leave? How does he tell her that G is his present and future? He is unable to find words, unable to find the right solution for the three of them...it is to find that he seeks time...not the truth...

My interpretation 😳


I must admit that my mind that is prone to see conspiracies hoped that the King would do that too. But, your interpretation makes much more sense.

Yet, isn't it his duty to find out the truth before he seeks a solution to the situation at hand? I'll leave that because I like your interpretation of how it sets the background to the angst.

And what possible solution could there be -- he is a man of his word. How can he break all those vows that he made to Sulakshana? And how can he break the vows he made to Gayatri?

If the seeking of a solution is what is "solely" causing him the angst, Sush is probably right. We haven't seen him display much of it. Since the morning of the picnic (perhaps after his soul searching during what remained of the night), he comes across as fairly disinterested in Sulakshana save for the "official" engagements he has to keep and displays a faint bit of resentment at her appearances. Is his behaviour and the tree analogy a result of his soul searching?

I probably sound muddled. I will come back to this before the next episode airs. I have to take your leave now.

PS -- Small details make a difference. The time on his watch when he hugged Gayatri as he stopped her from leaving was a little before 11. 👏 I have seen teams of some shows slip up on such minor details.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: anobserver


I must admit that my mind that is prone to see conspiracies hoped that the King would do that too. But, your interpretation makes much more sense.

Yet, isn't it his duty to find out the truth before he seeks a solution to the situation at hand? I'll leave that because I like your interpretation of how it sets the background to the angst.

And what possible solution could there be -- he is a man of his word. How can he break all those vows that he made to Sulakshana? And how can he break the vows he made to Gayatri?

If the seeking of a solution is what is "solely" causing him the angst, Sush is probably right. We haven't seen him display much of it. Since the morning of the picnic (perhaps after his soul searching during what remained of the night), he comes across as fairly disinterested in Sulakshana save for the "official" engagements he has to keep and displays a faint bit of resentment at her appearances. Is his behaviour and the tree analogy a result of his soul searching?

I probably sound muddled. I will come back to this before the next episode airs. I have to take your leave now.

PS -- Small details make a difference. The time on his watch when he hugged Gayatri as he stopped her from leaving was a little before 11. 👏 I have seen teams of some shows slip up on such minor details.


He knows what he wants...it is not the soul searching for that which is causing the angst...it is finding the modus operandi to get to what he wants...it is that solution that he seeks...how to tell Sulakshana what he wants that is the problem...he's already decided he has to sooner or later..but how?

The effort that it is taking to play out the charade is also causing the angst...he asks G if she thinks he is enjoying doing this..he asks her if she does not know Indravadhan better than that...it is the human conflict that has taken precedence at the moment...his biggest challenge is that it is not going to remain a human conflict...with the entry of the British Resident into the picture, and with his BRM pointing out that Sulakshana has prior claim to the crown, it will become a political situation...which is why he is going to push Indravadhan back and conduct the coronation as RNJ...

Time could have also been for her to regain her memory...maybe he felt it would be easier to tell her and seek a way out once that happened...hence the effort ...! Unfortunately, his hand is being forced with the coronation and the time argument will not hold now...!

He does not feel for Sulakshana anymore...nothing more than a sense of duty...out of the commitment that he once made to her and the love they once shared...Indravadhan would never feel conflicted about decisions...that is not his way...he is a man who follows his heart...that is his strength and his weakness too...even in the marriage to G, he eventually followed his heart...it was out of love for his people and his mother too...!

His heart has chosen G here...but his heart also seeks to resolve the situation with minimum damage to all...it is impossible but the heart wants what the heart wants...

His heart wants what it wants..but is unable to exercise the choice..

The conflict between the public and the private persona...but also the conflict between the heart and the mind of an individual who is innately fair and just...! He does not feel conflicted about G because he knows she has his heart...and he believes she knows that too...!



I am personally really enjoying what I am seeing..!

Again all this is purely my interpretation...I am really enjoying what I am seeing...I never thought I would...am quite shocked actually 😆

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: BertieWooster


He has the solution...it is not the soul searching for the solution that is causing the angst...it is finding the modus operandi to implement the solution...it is how to tell Sulakshana what he wants that is the problem...

The effort that it is taking to do what he is doing is also causing the angst...he asks G if she thinks he is enjoying doing this..he asks her if she does not know Indravadhan better than that...it is the human conflict that has taken precedence here...his biggest challenge is that it does not remain a human conflict...with the entry of the British Resident into the picture, and with his BRM pointing out that Sulakshana has prior claim to the crown, it has become a political conflict...which is why he is going to push Indravadhan back and conduct the coronation as RNJ...

Time could have also been for her to regain her memory...maybe he felt it would be easier to tell her and seek a solution once that happened...hence the effort ...! Unfortunately, his hand is being forced with the coronation and the time argument will not hold now...!

He does not feel for Sulakshana anymore...nothing more than a sense of duty...out of the commitment that he once made to her and the love they once shared...Indravadhan would never feel conflicted about decisions...that is not his way...he is a man who follows his heart...that is his strength and his weakness too...even in the marriage to G, he eventually followed his heart...it was out of love for his people and his mother too...!

His heart has chosen G here...but is unable to exercise his choice...because RNJ prevails...

The conflict between the public and the private persona...!

I am personally really enjoying what I am seeing..!

Again all this is purely my interpretation...I am really enjoying what I am seeing...I never thought I would...am quite shocked actually 😆


That is too superficial for me...Bertie! A deeper angst has to be rooted in more than "implementing" a solution. Thats my exact problem with this...I am not with the popular opinion here...which is that he has moved on...Matter closed...what is left is to break the news...implement the solution as you put it... Well ,...to me "moving on" has a different context when she was dead...and a very different one when she is alive. It can't be that superficial...it can't be that easy...hence the anxiety or the angst! It should be actually worse if we consider the era...and the fact that he is a King and she his first wife a queen...you don't just "move on" from that...It can not be that easy in his psyche as well...like Gayatri said...marriages are for life ...Yes...they are...in that era...and although it is an inconvenient truth...the same sentence is applicable to both marriages not one...selectively.

To me this version is not enough...perhaps not a view shared by others...but that is my perspective...

In my story...either he will have deeper angst or be suspicious ...Gayatri will not be the only smart one to smell something fishy and uncover the truth...while he sits there looking clueless...and projecting feelings that are not doing full justice to his character...but alas it is a desi soap...and the FL has to wear the pants...whenever uncovering something substantial is concerned...and they are apparently choosing to not go the deeper angst route...to keep the "fans" happy who want full devotion to Gayatri.


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