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Posted: 13 years ago
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Well, I am not an expert in medicine field neither I know much about bone marrow transplantation.

But I came across this article, wherein a couple tried to conceive another child in hopes of producing a bone marrow match for their daughter who was suffering from cancer.
And miraculuosly, that kid proved to be a successful donor to her elder sis. The transplantation was done after fourteen months after the kid's birth. This is a real life incident and an heart waming one though it seemed to have many ethical issues.


Anyway looking at this incident, the transplantation was done only after 24 months(10 months pregnancy+ the kid was14 months old wen the transplantation was done).

So why cant she wait for another 8 months to deliver her kid and then go for bone marrow transplantation??

Though I am 100 percent with Jeevika to abort her kid to save Manvi but one and only if its the only choice available.

After reading articles like this, I am not really able to sympathise with Jeevika. I mean, though this track would heavily explore the emotions of the characters, I am not convinced with how this track is being executed.

The new doctor without even testing her coming to a conclusion that Manvi's cancer has spread and telling her only she has few months to live and the whole Vadhera clan at the doctor's cabin. Well, I am so lost here😕

As everyone feels, this is a very delicate track and should be handled with extra special care !
Until now, I am a bit disappointed not with the track but rather its execution. But still kinda looking forward to it.

Do share your views😊



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Posted: 13 years ago
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First a big thank u for the article 🤗 Got something new to read that too related to medicine and u noe my likeness towards such articles😳😆

Abt the article: well i would say that the family was lucky too bcoz there were only 23% chances of matching the BM of the younger sis (new-born) to elder sis!😊 Yes it is said that they faced ethical issues and social issues but looks like the whole family faced it together😃 Esp the younger sis is matured enuf to understand her parent's helplessness regarding to her elder sis. she could have simply felt bad after knowing that she was given birth just to save her elder sis but no she is seeing the positive side of her existence which many fail to notice! She knows that her birth saved another one's life and that eventhough she was conceived with the only motive to give life to her sis but she is being treated with love and gratitude by the family😃 It's like the same thing hw we look at the half-filled glass, " the glass is half-filled or the glass is half-empty".
🤗 Madhu for this article more than medical side i loved the emotional side of this article and😆 sorry i went too deep into the article!


Coming back to Jeeman: Hmmm i noe what u trying to say but honestly we don't noe wether both Maanvi's and the girl in the article's (Anissa) condition is same! So we don't know wether manvi ll be able to survive till jeevs gives birth to chuktu!😕
The most imp thing is as we know that BMT is for children and our mannu is adult (just bcoz she behaves as a kid at heart half of the times doesn't mean she is a kid😆) But still CVs are showing BMT so that they can show the sacrifice made by jeevika! So why would they show such thing like jeevika waiting to give birth and then donating BM to Manvi?! It will not be a great sacrifice! U r looking at things which are done in reality like thinking abt other possibilities of treating manvi's cancer without aborting the child or wait for the child birth and then BMT,etc. But the fact is if either of these situations are shown in the soap then it ll not be much impactful in others lives i mean that if CVs treat the cancer as it's done in reality then where will they show drama created due to abortion like rift btw virika (if viren is against it), Vadheras-jeevs & affect on jeeman, virman, VV bro's relations. It ll be like all happies if they don't show abortion,nai?😛
I think that me and my explanation is making sense to u😳
😆 I kinda accepted the CVs story so that's why not bothering to think abt hw cancer can be treated by other ways (though only for soap not in real life bcoz i ll do bother abt it in real-life😛)! We already have gone into these things but the fact is that they ll show what they want to show😊


Moral: Don't bang ur head on the wall searching for alternative treatments/ situations they can show in the soap to save Manvi + child bcoz no use of us doing that as nw it's clear that they are going to show BMT + abortion😛 That too with so much speed that i ll not be surprised if next week they show jeevika aborting her child!😆
Edited by Nivluvsvirman - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hey :D im no doc too...but just thought i can share some of the knowledge i have abt cancer (i read up some and i study bio too) bt i guess Manvi has under a year, so by the time the baby is born and jeevika is healthy enuf to donate, her condition might worsen.
Cancer spreads throughout the body , so the longer u wait, the more dangerous. once the cancer cells establish themselves in other parts of her body, a BMT wont help, because the cancer cells have spread. Its important to targer the cells at the earlier stages...:) hope this can help to convince u a little!
(but its weird the doc suggested BMT when he said the cancer spread..😕 from what i have learnt till now, a bmt is only for patients whose cancer cells are residing in the bone marrow/ have damaged functionality of the bone marrow...)
and um...i dont think there is any upper age limit to BMT (at least according to this: http://www.nature.com/bmt/journal/v29/n4/full/1703382a.html)...
PS: if there's any worng info here, do feel free to correct me :) im just a bio student! 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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ok in my opinion,
yeah i agreed that as they are showing that manvi have only 6 months or 1 year left so they cant think of jeevs baby to donate umbilical cord blood cells, and yes there is much less chance of an elder's sister(newborn) bone marrow to be matched with the younger sisters...
but the first most question is that,
mumbai's biggest hospital and doctor was so dumb that he declared manvi's cancer incureable without even thinking of BMT?😕 is it possible? jeevika was also not pregnant at that time but yes then how could they bring jeeman sacrifice at that time?
and ofcourse for sure they will not go for anyother treatment than BMT, i mean they can go for umblical cord blood cells transplant in case of unmatched donor but ofcourse they will not, otherwise how to bring the twist na?🤪
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nivluvsvirman

First a big thank u for the article 🤗 Got something new to read that too related to medicine and u noe my likeness towards such articles😳😆

Abt the article: well i would say that the family was lucky too bcoz there were only 23% chances of matching the BM of the younger sis (new-born) to elder sis!😊 Yes it is said that they faced ethical issues and social issues but looks like the whole family faced it together😃 Esp the younger sis is matured enuf to understand her parent's helplessness regarding to her elder sis. she could have simply felt bad after knowing that she was given birth just to save her elder sis but no she is seeing the positive side of her existence which many fail to notice! She knows that her birth saved another one's life and that eventhough she was conceived with the only motive to give life to her sis but she is being treated with love and gratitude by the family😃 It's like the same thing hw we look at the half-filled glass, " the glass is half-filled or the glass is half-empty".
🤗 Madhu for this article more than medical side i loved the emotional side of this article and😆 sorry i went too deep into the article!


Coming back to Jeeman: Hmmm i noe what u trying to say but honestly we don't noe wether both Maanvi's and the girl in the article's (Anissa) condition is same! So we don't know wether manvi ll be able to survive till jeevs gives birth to chuktu!😕
The most imp thing is as we know that BMT is for children and our mannu is adult (just bcoz she behaves as a kid at heart half of the times doesn't mean she is a kid😆) But still CVs are showing BMT so that they can show the sacrifice made by jeevika! So why would they show such thing like jeevika waiting to give birth and then donating BM to Manvi?! It will not be a great sacrifice! U r looking at things which are done in reality like thinking abt other possibilities of treating manvi's cancer without aborting the child or wait for the child birth and then BMT,etc. But the fact is if either of these situations are shown in the soap then it ll not be much impactful in others lives i mean that if CVs treat the cancer as it's done in reality then where will they show drama created due to abortion like rift btw virika (if viren is against it), Vadheras-jeevs & affect on jeeman, virman, VV bro's relations. It ll be like all happies if they don't show abortion,nai?😛
I think that me and my explanation is making sense to u😳
😆 I kinda accepted the CVs story so that's why not bothering to think abt hw cancer can be treated by other ways (though only for soap not in real life bcoz i ll do bother abt it in real-life😛)! We already have gone into these things but the fact is that they ll show what they want to show😊


Moral: Don't bang ur head on the wall searching for alternative treatments/ situations they can show in the soap to save Manvi + child bcoz no use of us doing that as nw it's clear that they are going to show BMT + abortion😛 That too with so much speed that i ll not be surprised if next week they show jeevika aborting her child!😆


Well, to start with even I loved the emotional side of that artice. That was soo touching !!
I do get the point that whether Mannu will still be alive until chutku comes into this world. But as I said the problem is with the execution of this track. Its just like they want to get done with the cancer track asap😕 I am not able to connect to it.

But coming to the drama aspect, I still think there can be high voltage drama and sacrifice without killing chutku. They can show Jeevika donating bone marrow not by aborting but by risking her pregnancy (well, if thats allowed 😆). Of course, the Vadheras wont accept it. Swamini can taunt Manvi as much as she wants😆 Manvi will also be against this which will lead to behnas confrontation and drama for them as well 😆 And finally, they can show that both Manvi and chutku are fine😊 But still, it would be J's sacrifice, right??

I do see resemblance of this track with that real life story. Like the couple risked their younger child to save the elder one. How much pain that 1 yr kid would have undergone while donating her BM (as far as i know, its a painul process, is nt it?)? But still, everything went well for that family just like a miracle.

When miracles can happen in real life, why cant it in reel life??? :/

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: madhu0702

Well, to start with even I loved the emotional side of that artice. That was soo touching !!

I do get the point that whether Mannu will still be alive until chutku comes into this world. But as I said the problem is with the execution of this track. Its just like they want to get done with the cancer track asap😕 I am not able to connect to it.

But coming to the drama aspect, I still think there can be high voltage drama and sacrifice without killing chutku. They can show Jeevika donating bone marrow not by aborting but by risking her pregnancy (well, if thats allowed 😆). Of course, the Vadheras wont accept it. Swamini can taunt Manvi as much as she wants😆 Manvi will also be against this which will lead to behnas confrontation and drama for them as well 😆 And finally, they can show that both Manvi and chutku are fine😊 But still, it would be J's sacrifice, right??

I do see resemblance of this track with that real life story. Like the couple risked their younger child to save the elder one. How much pain that 1 yr kid would have undergone while donating her BM (as far as i know, its a painul process, is nt it?)? But still, everything went well for that family just like a miracle.

When miracles can happen in real life, why cant it in reel life??? :/



My reply starts from here :@ Bold: I don't think that is allowed in real life i mean if BMT is done then chutku can't be safe😛
oh well anyways this is not reality, it's REELITY so they can show this also😆
@Bold and italics: 😆 What's new in it?!🥱

@underline: Hmmm well i doubt wether Manvi will be in a position to fight with anyone i mean her cancer will be spreading already her BM is destroyed according to new Dr. so where ll be Mannu on bed taking rest or fighting with family -members and jeevs?!😕 But u see she can jump and enjoy do household chores now so why not she argues in future,nai?
She is already suffering from abdominal pain and dizziness while doing household chores so in the future when her days are coming close she must be taking rest na emotional and physical?!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nivluvsvirman


My reply starts from here :@ Bold: I don't think that is allowed in real life i mean if BMT is done then chutku can't be safe😛
oh well anyways this is not reality, it's REELITY so they can show this also😆
@Bold and italics: 😆 What's new in it?!🥱

@underline: Hmmm well i doubt wether Manvi will be in a position to fight with anyone i mean her cancer will be spreading already her BM is destroyed according to new Dr. so where ll be Mannu on bed taking rest or fighting with family -members and jeevs?!😕 But u see she can jump and enjoy do household chores now so why not she argues in future,nai?
She is already suffering from abdominal pain and dizziness while doing household chores so in the future when her days are coming close she must be taking rest na emotional and physical?!


Oh, so in reality, both chutku and Manvi cannot be saved hain na? Hmm, my bad😭
But still, when they can show Manvi's magic hair out of blue😆 and a magic doctor who without even analysing her, coming to conclusions that her cancer has spread😆, I wont mind if they save both Mannu and chutku😉

Well, thats not gonna happen anyway. So I ll better stop scratching my head😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Afcouse She can wait But seems like makers of this show cant wait to END the cancer track from show.So everything is going on like as if no tomorrow.Well Maanvi has only a year in hand.does her condition really says that first ? and how the doc could say even without seeing a single report ,Not single proper check up as Doc ,not any damn test I wonder.Itne antrayaami doctor pehli baar Dekhe maine !😆


Anyways Its creative mess up I m sure Where they just need to hype the drama so they can lead to Tyaag twist as soon as possible.But I say how & why.I was actually expecting It to be executed better/Slowly Where circumstances ultimately leads that twist to take place where nothing left in hand b/w taking this step.The search is on for other Donor. another thing is Maanvi has a year in hand her condition is in that "NO HOPES" stage where She needs to abort and donation needs to takes place asap.But here seems like with better medicare and environment she would survive more than she was told .like happens in many case.Jeevika can surely wait afcouse But dunno why Its being rushed like anything.It not realistic , their approach toward whole thing :(.


If she has to choose b/w baby and Maanvi the choice must be obvious Maanvi only But the way this RUSHED execution is going on Its not making sense to leading her to that choice soo soon.Its all CV's and writers and their super lame way to heading toward twist.:(


Thank you soo much for sharing article Dear & en lighting the medical facts ! even if Its supposed to be soap reality/viewers should not be taken for granted like always in their needs of twist/turns and TRPS ! LOL ! This show has deep impact on my mind.I cant believe in my law classes today I was being taught laws related abortions and I was thing about Jeevika & coming up abortion twist and anazling it with same content :P ! :( The abortion things have taken over !


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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think it's the time limit na. It's gone down from 2 years to 6months-12 months now somehow so I wouldn't risk it myself tbh. When you know the clock is ticking for your loved one, its sometimes hard to wait. Jeevika putting her own life or unborns life at risk was something I had expected ever since I had started watching the show. It had to be THIS way so I'll give it to the writers for at least being on track with this aspect. As far as the medical bloopers are concerned, it's been going on for months now. This show can only rely on it emotional quotient because when it comes to medical facts, its a big phuss (still better than the shows which randomly come up with brain tumour and one operation to cure it).
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -SweetGirl-

Afcouse She can wait But seems like makers of this show cant wait to END the cancer track from show.So everything is going on like as if no tomorrow.Well Maanvi has only a year in hand.does her condition really says that first ? and how the doc could say even without seeing a single report ,Not single proper check up as Doc ,not any damn test I wonder.Itne antrayaami doctor pehli baar Dekhe maine !😆


Anyways Its creative mess up I m sure Where they just need to hype the drama so they can lead to Tyaag twist as soon as possible.But I say how & why.I was actually expecting It to be executed better/Slowly Where circumstances ultimately leads that twist to take place where nothing left in hand b/w taking this step.The search is on for other Donor. another thing is Maanvi has a year in hand her condition is in that "NO HOPES" stage where She needs to abort and donation needs to takes place asap.But here seems like with better medicare and environment she would survive more than she was told .like happens in many case.Jeevika can surely wait afcouse But dunno why Its being rushed like anything.It not realistic , their approach toward whole thing :(.


If she has to choose b/w baby and Maanvi the choice must be obvious Maanvi only But the way this RUSHED execution is going on Its not making sense to leading her to that choice soo soon.Its all CV's and writers and their super lame way to heading toward twist.:(


Thank you soo much for sharing article Dear & en lighting the medical facts ! even if Its supposed to be soap reality/viewers should not be taken for granted like always in their needs of twist/turns and TRPS ! LOL ! This show has deep impact on my mind.I cant believe in my law classes today I was being taught laws related abortions and I was thing about Jeevika & coming up abortion twist and anazling it with same content :P ! :( The abortion things have taken over !



Lol agree big time😆 They should have taken this track slowly and sensibly, which of course, dint happen. Its like they are fast forwarding the cancer track. When they spent months in hiding/revealing Manvi's cancer, why cant they show some dedication to this track😕

Well. in a way, rather than screwing up the cancer track more, I would be pleased if they finish it off soon😆

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