Understanding Chapter 2 (5th May) - Page 4

Originally posted by: JJKKL

J, my awesome philosopher...to hell with Tolstoy and Balzac and Derrida...

Glad I found you

EKDV zindabaad😃

Thank you for being a part of my life

Dont leave me😆

I have faced many difficulties in childhood. Have been a witness to unpleasant situations many a time. I have learned since then to be happy and content with what I have. The jolt I felt 10 years back has made me learn a harsh truth - "not to be greedy". Not to be greedy for love. Not to be greedy to make the relations better. Greed can only lead to downfall.

What an analysis... greed... why hadnt I thought of this

She was my best friend. Mostly in secret. Mostly away from her snobbish friends. But still I was her best friend too. Never knew when the transition happened in my mind. At which particular moment I started wanting more from our relation. When I started dreaming more about her. Initially I had rejected the thoughts as a mere crush or infatuation. But after many days I realized it was not so. The feeling was just becoming stronger day by day and the letter I wrote is a testimony of my love for her.

Yes, yes, yes.. I am writing a poem.. it shall include this thought process. (J take a bow👏) How and when did he feel he has to express it.. He has to pen it down.. when did he believe he couldnt control his feelings any longer

Oh she did not read it but that does not matter now. The very fact that I gave words to my greedy thoughts and that I put it down and tried to convey it to her changed the course of my life.

Rest is history.

It was her photo uploaded in FB which made me jealous. Jealous of her, her carefree attitude and her happiness. While I was in UK lonely, pulling along with just her thoughts as a solace, being alone even in the middle of my friends - she seemed to be oblivious of my pain and my longing. Has she moved on ? Am back from my hiatus now. I cannot be further away from her. Want to get a glimpse of her. Very badly.

You got that, didnt you. 😉The way he was trying to avoid her in the beginning was also inadvertently a response to meet her again. To feel her presence. Also, felt that he loves to prick her in various different ways. Calling her names is to understand her, teasing her in the same vein, is trying to match his expectations of her

Rest is history.

During the Khosla case when I came to know more about her, her innocence, her unselfish attitude, I felt sick of myself. For having misunderstood her. For exacting such revenge in the reunion. For even doubting her in the first place. My love overflowed. I have looked at her awe struck. And my treacherous mind wants more now. When she pulled my collar to get the phone. When she said Farak Padtha Hai. When I cornered her near the cupboard. I can feel the greed taking shape again. I need to put a full stop to it. Right now. Timing is key.So I demanded friendship. Lifelong friendship.

He did feel a jerk because of the way he misread her. But, yet i do feel there is at times a nagging need to go back to that past when she like his mother had rejected him, thrown him out of the door😉

Rest is history.

Chachi was just an excuse. To get away.

• To get away when the going is good.
• To get away when Sumo has agreed to be my friend forever.
• To get away before my heart can no longer control its feelings and its wants.
• To get away before it all comes tumbling down.
• To get away on the first ticket to London though it was the MOST expensive.
• To get away with the family to attend a marriage when I hated to be in the middle of strangers.
• To get way just so that I do not become emotional and blurt out about my love to her.
• 
  
• I dont even have words to add anything more to it. It is beautiful. Poetry is far better to express what i feel right now. The word bhagoda does come to mind

And then the sprain happened. Was it my destiny ? Was it my unconscious mind doing tricks ? Was it her prayers winning over mine ? Well...destiny cannot lure me into a trap. This time I am hell bent on controlling myself. I will be her perfect play date. Not more. Not less. Timing is important. I need to get away with by already broken heart. And that letter I keep close to myself is a reminder to not rock the boat. To keep life afloat.

The letter its meaning, its sound, shall reverberate ever so strongly in their lives without them wanting to. What they do of those reverberations is another mattter altogether

Rest is history.

As Maroon5 song Daylight goes

Here I am waiting
I'll have to leave soon
Why am I holding on?
We knew this day would come
We knew it all along
How did it come so fast?

This is our last night but it's late
And I'm trying not to sleep
Cause I know, when I wake, I will have to slip away

And when the daylight comes I'll have to go
But tonight I'm gonna hold you so close
Cause in the daylight we'll be on our own
But tonight I need to hold you so close

Originally posted by: chicksoup

res

Every take brings a new perspective. Will come back to write more later, Indrani...😳

Unres-

On that dance scene- Shravan as gay as can be...😆 He was pulling her leg...had the OLV scene played out clearly showing she had danced, we would call him heartless for laughing...he was tickled by the fact that she'd actually get up to dance..he captured her dumbfounded look as she caught him laughing...such a nasty trick to play on someone actually...make a complete fool of them!

He loves to tease her, loves to bring on her aggressive persona. It is this that he appreciates the most. Yet, he could not let her be embarrassed/ Her standing up for him to dance, I guess was a pleasant surprise... wonder if the young Sumo would have done likewise

Lovely thoughts on how she re arranged his suit case...👏

Thank you Chick😳

Ponder on this: Does he not joke around her and tease her as if she was a tom boy...Isn't she more of a tom boy than anyone else he knows...Is that why he was always attracted to her?..Because she was not weak or manipulative like other girls were..she was the Sumo with an attitude...the one who could boss over him, despite his mard ko dard nahi hota lines...😉

Yes, he does appreciate this fact about her because for him the way she protected him was what he wanted to see in his own mother, I guess. One which has not been there as he would have wanted

Thank you Chick, for responding😳🤗

A new post about the letter (in poetic mode from both Sumo's angle and Shravan's angle shall be out there soon)

Do give a read

Originally posted by: redwine1

Jj

True Red.. J has really done some digging. Wonder who is the lawyer here, J or Shravan

Stunning captivating poetic some adjectives which come to mind as I read ur thots ... Very well put ... Recreated a whole hog of FBs as I read this piece ...
Yes, yes, yes

The story is poised beautifully now ... The precap was fantastic on Thursday what wit Sumo discovering the childhood "first" love letter ( this closes the loop from this weeks recreating the bye bye scenario superbly - it's actually the icing on the cake) ... Will all the ques b answered ??? Wonder wonder .. I loved the unequivocal YES that Shravans said on the all important 3rd ques that Sumo asked ... No dialogs were needed wit the intense look in his eyes they communicated all to well ...

Those eyes were a killer

No words required but.. how will the letter pan out in the days to come we would have to wait and watch

The only dampener to thurs/fri episode was the 'goodbye' from Ramnath it irked a bit but maybe it is my over sensitive feminine genes 😉
Ah! true.. felt badly for both son and father. Father was brilliant here, btw


Hopefully the promise of both the promos r fulfilled ... The bar of expectations from the maker & writers r up there just hoping that it comes thru

But enjoyed ur take thanx for the PM
Will look forward to more stunning analysis from u

Originally posted by: beagleboy

I'm cutting/pasting what I have written elsewhere. Apologies.

He is very aware of the feelings he had for Sumo in the past. But at 16, it is difficult to differentiate between love and being in love, between security and passion. At 16, he couldn't have been certain that he wanted to walk into the sunset with her because he loved her passionately. The thing is, he wanted to walk into the sunset with her because, being the shy child, he was in awe of her larger than life persona and because she made him feel good and because, well, she was Sumo, his friend who just made him feel good. And yes he LOVED her, and perhaps was in love with her too. But how aware was he of these feelings then? His feelings of friendship and passion/love often overlapped and at any given time one took over the other.

Word👏... yet a question does remain why does he carry the letter around with him? So much so, he keeps it under surveillance. Symbol of embarrassment.. doesnt really fit in with his character. He loves to win at any cost (dialogue with Sumo before he won the case for her). I guess he must have kept on reading that letter over time. Does he have many notes (or my fav, sidenotes)... what is the letter to him, now or to be more precise then?

So his awareness of his current feelings for Sumo would also be in a similar state - confused. At any given time one takes over and consumes the other - as the need arises. And which is why he may seem inconsistent. But actually, he was always there where he finds himself now. Their relationship is undefined and he does not know if he is going to blindly walk the highway with her or if they are actually headed to the sunset.

Inconsistency is also more apparent because he has not able to close off many loops surrounding his notions of women. Women like Sumo, both innately beautiful and yet she failed him. His mother (I would like to know his relationship with her before she left)... is another image which he has not able to resolve to his liking. She was the woman who left.. left him behind. yet I do believe there is another image of her one which is buried deep within

The letter - If I have to opine, and keep aside plot lines and character analysis - c'mon, he wrote it at an impulse when he was 16! I can't remember what I may have written (however important) yesterday, let alone 10 odd years ago! We cannot hold him prisoner to his feelings when he was 16, or for that matter, anything that he may have penned down. So, as it happens, tough luck, but really, Suman cannot hold him hostage based on the innocent ramblings of a 16 year old. Because when you are 16, everything is a bed of roses and one is oblivious and blind to multiple realities.

I agree you cannot hold him ransom to what he might have mumbled ten years ago. I would hate it, in fact. She has changed ever so slightly and so has he. But, was it written only in impulse or it was thought out, reasoned.. albeit by a sixteen year old guy. Not mature enough yet a keen observer of life. He did manage to see beyond Sumo's bullishness, a girl with a large heart

In the precap, he looked tired and hassled. I think that gun to his head, placed at different points by different people, needs to be removed. However resplendent the image of happily ever after with Suman may have seemed at age 16, it is distorted now by age and experience.He may still seek the happily ever after. But he needs time to gather himself and put his thoughts together. It is not that he does not love her, or even that he is not in love with her. There are too many things happening all at once, and I think the pace at which he is going is perfectly fine. I'd rather he don's the role of the tortoise to win the race than the silly hare that gets ahead of its time and ability. And I enjoy watching them as friends. It irritates me when female leads heave their chests to show that they are stimulated by male proximity! I mean, c'mon! Who does that these days!?

Definitely yes.. time, maturity transforms anyone and everyone, or as Shakespeare said it Ripeness is all. He has gathered, accumulated new experiences which have crossed what was written ten years ago. But, crossing over and erasing is two different ball games... wonder if he decides to erase it completely and pen a new letter to a different recipient or a new letter he will address to the same recipient where the past has been allowed to live in different idioms and phrases.

The last line is more a matter of our learning based on books and other cultural products. It only goes to show how much we have been conditioned to think in one way. But, brilliantly articulated👏

Suman's tests were inane. Sorry. No other way to put it. How does it prove that he is in love with her if he waits? He could also be a gentleman that loves her AS A FRIEND. For many, friends are greater support and mean much more than family. And why not? Look at what his family demands of him and compare it with what Suman asks of him. It is quite possible to love another person who is not related in anyway, without asking for anything in return.

I guess that was the whole point of those tests. Her tests were purely childish, she has yet to respond to the new Shravan through her reading of the same. And I thought it was brilliant that CVs showed those plans were not hers in the first place, it was inserted in her brain by Preetha who apparently has no knowledge of Shravan or of their equation with each other.

The question is when she would respond from her own experience and then what would be Shravan's reaction.

Originally posted by: sanfan

Indrani...read both your chapters...Lovely points...so many ways to look at Shravan...I am absolutely captivated by this character...

when Sumo rebukes him that yeah and go enjoy yourself with someone you find there at the wedding... he negates it as softly and as reassuringly as he might have done during their umpteen interactions during their childhood (remember when he makes her laugh while she is upset on looking at those jewelry of her mom).

True Indrani...this was such a sweet scene...I was riveted to that expression on Shravan/Namik's face...he realises that he has hurt Sumo by refusing her and Sumo is upset. That's a situation he doesn't ever want to be in. It's reminiscent of the times in the past few weeks (khosla track) whenever he has seen Sumo upset, his expression turns soft (Priya issue, Varun issue etc). The way Shravan approaches anything related to Sumo's unhappiness is very beautiful. In the past, he may have been worshipping the ground she walked on but today they are more or less on equal footing...yet he yields ground where she is concerned. Which is why I found the phone exchange beautiful. he knows he can't be part of any plan yet he listens moon-eyed when Sumo describes the play date...and lets her down ever so gently with a promise of his own...to see her before he left for London.

Yes, I loved that phone conversation. There was so much of an understated passion from his side, while she was ever a child. Waiting to be hugged, to be accepted as he was wont to do earlier

There was one scene when Shravan told Sumo that he seen her dance to the movie they were watching. A dance which he was not supposed to see and he requested her or blackmailed her to dance for him again. She in spite of her misgivings agreed (Sumo, my baby). But, he refused to see her dance. Refused her to be manipulated by anyone.. even if that person be him. He laughed wildly... happy and shocked that she had agreed to do this for him... calling her chudail or something. Letting it go. But, see this scene in its entirety and you will know whether Shravan loves her...

Indrani...I will go by your view on this...The later parts of this scene was marred by poor editing unfortunately so I guess the actual effect was undermined but I like your explanation. It seems a valid one, Shravan had an enigmatic expression throughout this scene. I watched it with interest...his score keeping, his desire to be indulged one last time by Sumo before he left for London...all the while keeping the levity alive...

He does love to tease her... as if he knows she can only alive through these gestures. The way he captures those moments, aww... He was surprised by her move. Did Sumo of old also indulge him?😃 Questions remain

Next, Sumo is arranging his suitcase (isn't it sweet.. that he was arranging his brother's cupboard while she is doing it for him). While arranging two objects are revealed... inane in themselves but is it so? One, a razor.. he says his first one. (I am pretty sure this was given to him by his father) Second, keychain, must have been given to him by his mother. They are not so important because they represent antiquity but because they contain the touch, the feelings of two people who were the most important in his life. Father, of course a constant presence in his life and a mother whom he loved once and probably again, in a convoluted way does now as well. Taking these two things in mind.. now read the connotations of the letter. Is the letter only reminiscent of a time when he foolishly wrote it down? Or is the letter resplendent of an image of a girl which he carries till date in his heart? An image which he does not want to be broken or exploited by anyone, least of all by himself... by the declaration of his love. An image which he doesn't want to share with anyone..not even with his father and also, not with his present self.

Well the letter...has been analysed in many different ways..its now assumed a life and character of its own...I really don't expect straight answers from Shravan at this stage if he is questioned by Sumo. Why?? For one...he has lived the life of a desolate Shravan in these last ten years from what he perceived to be Sumo's indifference to him. He has received answers that Sumo is not indifferent to him...but that does not mean that Sumo loves him...does it? He only knows that Sumo is still his best friend and he cannot forsake that bond ever. At some level, Shravan seems to have reconciled to trading love with friendship. A younger Shravan may have worn his heart on his sleeve but this guy is battered emotionally and so there is no likelihood of him taking that risk anytime soon...he may eventually find the nerve to...as he basks in Sumo sunshine but that journey is sometime down the road...

The letter... in time it shall become a character gathering the past and paving the way for the future. Yes, the letter is the bylane which they both have to travel and possibly making their own sidenotes or setting up signposts to reach a desired end. I dont want to see the end as of now.. but would definitely want to see their journey together... travelling till the end of time

One more thing, I want to dwell on one dialogue of yesterday's epi...

Kaisi packing ki hain...Saari kaam ki cheezen neeche rakhi hain...

Just like Shravan's concealed feelings for Sumo...lot of digging will be required for it to resurface...

Brilliant...missed it completely

During IPK times...scenes used to sing to me...EDKV has started to do that for me...😆

My song for yesterday...from one of my favourite movies.Amar Prem

Chingari koi bhadke...

Humse mat poochho kaise
Mandir toota sapno ka
Logon ki baat nahin hai
Yeh kissa hai apno ka
Koi dushman tthes lagaaye
To meet jiya behlaaye
Manmeet jo ghaav lagaaye
Use kaun mitaaye

This applies to Shravan as well as to Sumo...that's the beauty of this bond

Originally posted by: mineforever

Great post..
I had actually written a long thing but it kept on getting vanished bcos i m doing this from phone so m sorry..
I may come back to it later.
M out of station for one week so may not be able to reply

Originally posted by: dmg2c

Hi. sorry to barge in. right now i just want to say this much that i hate that he didnt make up the sprain.

There is a child in all of us... dont worry he will do greater things for us rather than breaking his leg.. Though subconsciously you never know it might have done its part

the rest we will have to wait and see...

the firsts are an important aspect and insight into his character. he doesnt let go easily.

great post my friend.

Originally posted by: --fero--

Oh...my god
This post seriously 👏
❤️❤️