16th Nov The aftereffects of Sudama's dharma

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Posted: 13 years ago

Jai Shri Krishna

At 5^th house a lady comes out, seeing the kids with with Sudama, she calls Yash, her son, who is Mohan's friend, tells him see your friend has come. Yash asks Mohan why are you wearing such cloths, in gurukul you used to say, you are wealthy. Yash's mother taunts Sudama, saying where have you lost your wealth, have you started playing Chausar. Sudama says everything is as it is, I am just following my dharma. That ladysays, I pity Susheela, who used to wear heavy jewellery. You will not get anything from this house, she tells Yash not to be Mohan's friend.

In Dwaraka SB, JV & Krishna are watching this. JV tells Krishna, this experience may leave a bad impression on the Kids mind. Krishna says, Yash & Mohan both are innocent children, Sudama is teaching his kids to behave well & have patience, whereas Yash's mother is teaching him to use bad words.

Outside their house Yash with his friends humiliates Mohan. Sudama tells him to ignore them & say Jay Shri Krishna. Mohan feeling bad hearing his friends taunts goes away from there. Other 3 kids tells Yash & his friends Jai Shri Krishna with a smiling face.

Krishna says I like children, they reminds me of my childhood.

Sudama with 3 kids are praying to Krishna. They turn hearing some sound. Susheela with Mohan, has packed her luggage is ready to leave the house. She tells him, if you are going to behave like this, then I can't live here. You understand dharma & karma but my kids does not. I'll live with them at my mother's place.

Sudama says he is only following his dharma. Susheela asks him inspite of having everything, what's wrong in enjoying wealth. Sudama says there is nothing wrong in enjoying wealth, but wealth shouldn't be the only priority in life. A fathe can never explain that he loves his kids as much as their mother. You stay here, I will live this house & go. Susheela is shocked hearing this.

SB tells Krishna this is Sudama's test too. Krishna replies, yes this is his test, the path of dharma is not easy, he has to pass all the tests to reach me. Then he will be immortal as a bhakta.

One of the kid tells Sudama, we want mother & father both, please don't go. Sudama says I'll be living nearby in a hut, so we can meet everyday. He is leaving the house. Susheela stops him saying if you are not living here then take your Krishna also with you.

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Vrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

I dunno - this is getting pretty sadistic. For Sudama to take his kids out and then get humiliated by those who know them is just child abuse. The teaching of humility within a gurukul is something pretty specific, and when students went out on such missions, it was well known by the public what they were doing, so they didn't normally get disrespected. But here, they're practically begging for it, pun intended.

And the character assassination of Susheela is just pissing me off. 😡 It would have made more sense had she asked Sudama the logic of his moves, and given him the counter arguments. That would have made for a very pedagogic message to the viewers. Instead, they've converted Susheela from an almost perfect wife to a totally spoiled vamp - first, she sleeps on a bed while her husband sleeps on the floor, and next, when her husband offers to leave, she simply lets him? Also, what if her kids - at least the younger 3 - choose to be w/ their father?. Everything here is in extremes - on one end, Susheela has become a Dwapar yuga malkin, pampering her kids and abusing her maids, while on the other extreme, Sudama, instead of patiently teaching all of them simple manners & humility, is back to his begging routine.

Yash's mom is bizarre - in those times, which woman would act like she did? A more natural reaction would have been that of the woman in the 4th house that Sudama went to yesterday - she was surprised to see him, and he explained why he was doing what he was doing, and she gave him his grains. Why are they seeding Sudamapuri, or whatever that place was then called, w/ such wackos such as Yash's mom? And speaking of which, was Yash a name one would give their kids in those times? 🤪

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mnx12

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Posted: 13 years ago

Susheela wanting to leave the house, Sudama leaving, kids wants to live with both the parents, is a morden seperation story. Why the so called bhaktas always have unhappy marriages, it is very easy to leave everything & spend rest of the life worshipping God, but fulfilling all his sansarik duties, while worshpping God is very tough. May be it is beyond my capacity to understand the message,this show is giving in this track.😆

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Yeah, they do that sometimes. Like in the AS Ramayan, when Ravana was trying to plot the death of Rama by screwing w/ his grahas, Kaushalya gave a dialog on the trials & tribulations women have to face, which sounded too much like what a modern woman might say, but which was unthinkable in that era. I just wonder whether they got this brainstorm from Priya Bhatija's real life divorce, and decided to work it into here. But if that's what they're doing, why not create some marital problems b/w Dhritarashtra & Gandhari, and have her ask Shakuni to take her back - that would make for some really entertaining viewing 🤪

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Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Yeah, they do that sometimes. Like in the AS Ramayan, when Ravana was trying to plot the death of Rama by screwing w/ his grahas, Kaushalya gave a dialog on the trials & tribulations women have to face, which sounded too much like what a modern woman might say, but which was unthinkable in that era. I just wonder whether they got this brainstorm from Priya Bhatija's real life divorce, and decided to work it into here. But if that's what they're doing, why not create some marital problems b/w Dhritarashtra & Gandhari, and have her ask Shakuni to take her back - that would make for some really entertaining viewing 🤪

LOL, but if they show that with D and gandhari,then that would be too much wide spread to even brew in some sense man. I guess they are on a hunt for the perfect draupadi, hence all these filler epis, and you are right, everything seems so much extreme and yash is not a name a common villager gives to his kid even these days, and here toh we r talking about 2000 yrs back. whatever.😆

priya bhatija had problems with jatin shan i read and that she could not adjust with his family app and jatin was/ is out of work, but when did she get divorce? detail update please. this might be more interesting than the dwapar yuga separation we r going to watch in coming epis.😆

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Posted: 13 years ago

Th' I am enjoying the track ⭐️ - the devotees POV and the Clashes which are bound to be faced by a devotee when he lives in samsaar, I am happy to watch Sudama on screen- Always! ⭐️ ⭐️ But yes, the points being discussed in 'Krishna-Sudama' Thread as well as in recent WU Threads are also very very relevant. I wish the Creatives had consulted a 'Spiritual person' before starting this track to discuss the full impact of showing such a imaginary story line.

Indeed this track is a bit confusing 😕. Actually it was unnecessary 😔. I only hope that the Creatives have some appropriate mssg at the end of it, otherwise all the 'beautiful effect' of Sudama and his family, (created during the 1st phase of their track), will be lost 😔.

@ Vrish, The 'extreme' element added to the characters by the Creatives has been such an integral part of this show right from the begining 😡, (WRT all the negative characters). All of us have criticized it repeatedly in the related WU Threads in the past, but I guess the Prod. House is unable to learn the mssg or unable to use it in application 😔, so they are doing the same with Susheela's character here. 😔 😡

@ Minakshi, 'leaving everything and spending the rest of the life worshipping God' is not that easy - this state comes to a devotee only when he / she has reached a certain matured stage of Devotion, when only the Lord is EVERYTHING to him/ her, when he does not need anything more. In spite of having the capacity to live 'in' the sansaar and still 'belonging' to Him for every moment of his life, he/ she decides to leave sansaar and get immersed in Devotion. On the other hand, 'remaining in sansaar and doing Bhakti simultaneously' - has its own challenges. These two paths cannot be equated. Both have their own uniqueness and trials. The 'appropriate path' to be chosen by a particular person depends on the 'state of Devotion' the person is in mentally, at that point of time. (completely my personal POV 😊 after reading your post)

@ Tannistha, Here is the news about Priya Bhatija you asked for:

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/dwarkadheesh-bhagwaan-shree-krishna/1748463/toi-priya-and-jatin-end-marriage-its-over

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Posted: 13 years ago

Debipriya,

Good to see you back😊

Thanks for your POV

I like King Janaka, Seeta's father in Ramayana, more because he was gyani, remained detached to sansaric mayas, while fulfilling all his duties towards his people & family. Bhakti & Karma both are needed to reach God. Bhakti connects our mind & soul to God, while performing our karmas in a detached way will clear the account of various births, finally attaining liberation, from my POV.

I liked Sudama part1,but this is undigestable, what if Sudama fails in some tests,will Krishna stop Sudama from reaching him. This portarayal of Sudama2 track is what I don't like.

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Not only that, when Vishnu appeared b4 Sudama @ the end of the previous track, he promised him that his tests were over. In that case, why is he testing Sudama & family again?

This reminds me of the Swarna Kamal episodes in ASR (or Gurmina Ramayan, if you prefer, Tan 😆) where Kush & Luv were being subjected to a seemingly endless battery of tests by a pretty sadistic Mahadev & Hanuman. I wonder if that's this serial's version of it? Only difference - Ramayan had pretty high TRPs b4 this started, whereas this serials TRPs have generally been low, except for during the previous Sudama track.

Since I see nothing about DBSK TRPs here, despite other shows on this channel showing up, I'm guessing that it's still outside the top 100. Incidentally, on the subject of being picky about the actors, the serial has done a pretty mediocre job of some of the pretty major actors - Rukmini in particular. (Satyabhama was a bad pick initially, but she's improved of late, albeit after her major roles in the serial are done) Even w/ the Pandavas, they've done a very good job w/ Yudhisthir, a good job w/ Bhima, but a pretty mediocre job w/ Arjun, Nakula & Sahadev, and a pretty bad job w/ Kunti. So how can they expect their Draupadi to attract TRPs? Are they thinking of bringing in Drashti? 😆

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mnx12

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DBSK is still out of 100, inspite of Sudama coming back. This Sudama track will not give them higher TVRs. Their only hope is a very good Draupadi & a good authentic script.

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Debipriya

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: mnx12
Debipriya,
Good to see you back😊
Thanks for your POV
I like King Janaka, Seeta's father in Ramayana, more because he was gyani, remained detached to sansaric mayas, while fulfilling all his duties towards his people & family. Bhakti & Karma both are needed to reach God. Bhakti connects our mind & soul to God, while performing our karmas in a detached way will clear the account of various births, finally attaining liberation, from my POV.
I liked Sudama part1,but this is undigestable, what if Sudama fails in some tests,will Krishna stop Sudama from reaching him. This portarayal of Sudama2 track is what I don't like.

Yeah, me too Happy to be back here 😊, we have many meaningful discussions in all these daily Threads! ⭐️ ⭐️

Mostly agree with you 😊, just want to elaborate a bit about my POV :

Bhakti and Karm both have their unique significance in the life of a 'being'. As I have mentioned earlier that the path to be taken by a devotee will be determined by the path he/ she has already traveled so far (i.e - the path traveled by his 'Aatma' in all the prev births). If he has gone thr' all the sansaarik duties in his previous birth and has attained a sincere unswerving Devotion for the Lord, then sansaar is no more necessary for him in the next birth. Then the next birth will be purely to attain the 'height of Devotion' thr' 'Complete Surrender'. It will also depend on the 'Nature' (i.e- 'preferred field' in the current birth) of the Soul.

Now coming to the spiritual persons who live 'in' sansaar, like Raja Janak, as you have mentioned. Firstly we have to consider the fact that these persons are not like general human beings who are concerned about worldly things in their life, they are Superior Souls, having went thr' Sadhana, they are very near to reach the 'Truth' (/ Lord). In such a state, all his actions become selfless, they become his way of worshiping the Lord. So that state of mind is itself Bhakti, but finds its expression in the activities of sansaar.

The decision to 'remain' in sansaar or 'leaving' it, is a unique one, to be determined by the particular person. Our preference/ appreciation for any person/ 'being' comes from our 'state of mind', from our ability to 'relate' to him, at that time. I feel, no other person can determine what is/ should be the duty of another person (specially when the main element of the other person's life is Devotion, (like Sudama), which is itself the HIGHEST of emotion, as it is directed towards the Lord), as we all have very unique situations around us, no two situations are the same.

So I feel, it is not rigidly Bhakti 'and' Karma, it can also be Bhakti 'or' Karma - depending on the particular person's state. The Devotee has to perform actions to live in this world, as he still has the body (made of Panch tatvaa), but all his actions are always aimed at the Lord. The gyani sansaari, who knows the 'Truth', will also act like a 'typical sansaari', but his aim will only be the 'Welfare of all', thus worshiping the Lord. So in both ways, we can see the aim is the same, but the paths do differ.

And yes, I am also not sure where this present track will lead us in DBSK. 😕 We can only hope to see a nice ending to this imaginary story.

Wrote such a Long (and Repetitive) 😳 post on it! Thanks for bearing with me 😊🤗