Looking for Acceptance in society in form of TRP - Page 2

Originally posted by: White..Magic

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There's a reason I feel Sony is an underrated channel. There show are with story and content. There's no draging and infinite leaps.

More I look at top 10 shows, more I feel there's no humanity left on this planet. 🤣

truelly sony is the most underrated broadcaster in india, today they airs the most sensible shows!

Originally posted by: White..Magic

I cannot connect with that subhanallah show because lot of melodrama. It's just too much. And then Quraan mein yeh likha hain, Quraan mein woh likha hain. How do we know Quraan me kya likha hain? They want us to read entire Quraan before watching the show? They should stop giving religious angle everytime.

Even shorvari was strong when this show started. She created scene in front of family when she caught Teni and Parth together. It's matter of time and number of episodes. With time they all become doormat. Zaara's all empowerment claims fall flat the moment she agreed to marry against her wish with a man who very much believe in triple talaq. Just wait for 200 episodes. On top of that she's putting condition that there shouldn't be triple talaq in her marriage. Why do you need to put condition when law has already banned it? It's like Hindu woman putting condition my husband won't bring another bride in my presence.

There was a show Hina which dealt with this triple talaq sensibly because it was a finite series. When they start a show with 'no expiry date' clause and dream about 1000 episode. There won't be any story to narrate and then start the infamous drag.

Look at Balika Vadhu itself. I believe Balika Vadhu was more about female lead glorification. Even jagya was victim of child marriage, but they made him villain. Chalo woh bhi thik hain. But the female lead was like forever obsessed with her first sasural. Best part was, when her husband died, she just packed her bag and settled at her ex's place with kid. Most entertaining part was shiv's kid was raised by jagya. 😆Message just get lost once they are on mission drag.

IMO, television or film can never change anything. It's just for entertainment purpose. If people started taking message for films or serial, they would never go for surrogacy thinking that surrogate would ruin their home. But that's not the case. If show has an influence, people would start believing that bigamy is alright if we give them title dilchasp bigamy. At the end of the day it's all about entertainment and what you choose to entertain yourself. I don't have stamina to sit and tolerate drama of trp topper show. I want something less dramatic and decent story. But there are people watching all show which are regressive in my opinion, that's why they are top on trp chart. It's just matter of choice.

For a change, you just need willingness to change. You don't need a show to tell you bigamy is wrong, there's a law ordering you bigamy is a crime. You don't need a show to tell you triple talaq shouldn't be there, there's a law which has declared it as a punishable act.

Baaki I agree that it was an innovative move when they banned bigamy. Of course there will be protest, but with time they all will accept. There was protest when triple talaq was banned , but everything got settled with time. They should have made 'No bigamy' law for all Indians as India is a secular country, rules should be same for everyone. They should have included Muslims in 'no bigamy' clause as well.

I agree that after a while most of the Indian shows go to drains and female leads become weak miserable crybabies. I hv seen it in many shows.
But, for now I think Ishq SubhanAllah is trying to portray the inherent problems in Muslim societies including arranged marriages. I also don't like as how the leads are being forced to marry each other, this is regressive, but at least the female lead is bold enough to speak about it. In Muslim nikahnama, females can put some conditions, as Indian Muslims don't have a codified law, which is long overdue. Due to the lack of codification, India Muslims were dependent on All India Muslim personal law board for various judgements regarding family laws, and now due to our dating Ludlum sisters, who were wronged by this society things are changing and they are tying rights by our constitution.

So, for many Muslim women the only solution was to put conditions in the nikahnama, such as husband Won't take another wife without her permission or about the amount of mehr. What they are showing in series is right in a way, as any times this is the only way to safeguard the rights of Muslim women.
Coming to interpretation of Quran, it was evident in debates and as much I have read Quran and discussed it with Muslim friends, instant triple talaq isn't mentioned in Quran, but some mullahs were quoting some hadiths to make it as a rule. Even Supreme Court gave it judgment considering that too. Show this show is highlighting the issue as how religious people use religion to benefit a certain Section of the society.

The melodrama factor is there but without that it's hard to gain audience for any show, in India, and that's a problem. Hope in future they won't change it in normal saas bahu sazish drama.

Coming to dsdt it tried to distort law badly and failed, fortunately.

Originally posted by: Kallol012

Balika Badhu started with a good concept but watch out how the show progressed, they shifted to an age old saas bahu type family drama, mixed all nonsense spice to it and at last they showed that the leads' children are having child marriage too, how that makes sense?

<font color="#0000ff">What they are doing with ishq subhanaallah is just fronting the religious aspect; more controversy, more talk, more people know about the show and more trps, a clean strategy.</font>
<font color="#0000ff">and i object their screenplay in the point of view that they are pointingto a religion and a religious scripture everytime in a negative way.</font>

<font color="#ff00ff">By the way all creative works are arts and arts are the mirror of the society, that reflects the society and have long reaching influence on the cultureand social aspects too. india is not limited to some large towns and cities only. there is a vast life outside the well educated and aristocrats too. As typical shows represents what happens typically and those also inspires people to follow those in many cases as well.</font>

<font color="#33cc33">differ from you on this point, if you admit a secular country, then shouldn't you open the society instead of tying it up with strict rules, experts say that rules should be made such that those make everyone happy. Everyone should be free to find pleasure for them without harming anyone else. that is secularismin real sense</font>

Secularism is a different concept and can't be handled in the terms you described, if you are secular you won't see difference between people on basis of religion, equality is above everything and laws of a secular nation should be same for everyone, If a section of women are allowed alimony and rights to live as an independent woman, so should all women living in this nation, different rules for different people is in no way equal. When it comes to rules.. Matters of laws are not rules, they are rights, asking men not to play with lives of women is not restriction but protection for those women who suffer at the hands of their husbands, polygamy is illegal in India so it should be for everyone.. that's Equality and Equal rights regardless of religious background is secularism

There is secularism, there is human rights, there are religions. Religions don't guarantee human rights, specially women's. Even Hinduism allows polygamy and child marriages, and no concept of divorce. So things change and it's our constitution which gives right to women.
Islam doesn't allow a Muslim woman to marry out of religion, our constitution does. In many Islamic nations apostasy and blasphemy are punishable by death. Not so long ago Christians were burning witches and Hindu widows were either burned or forced to live a life of misery.

Tolerating such inhuman laws in the name of religion isn't secularism, u can be religious and keep it to yourself is, without being punished for your beliefs, unless it's a threat for social well being.

Originally posted by: DracarysTrio

Secularism is a different concept and can't be handled in the terms you described, if you are secular you won't see difference between people on basis of religion, equality is above everything and laws of a secular nation should be same for everyone, If a section of women are allowed alimony and rights to live as an independent woman, so should all women living in this nation, different rules for different people is in no way equal. When it comes to rules.. Matters of laws are not rules, they are rights, asking men not to play with lives of women is not restriction but protection for those women who suffer at the hands of their husbands, polygamy is illegal in India so it should be for everyone.. that's Equality and Equal rights regardless of religious background is secularism

i want to mean that laws and rules should be made such that it can be applied for all people inside a perimeter, and all can be benefited equally from those. rules and regulations are made for human benefits, its laws for people, not people for laws it should be. in broad terms secularism is providing the equality for everyone. I want to add that the equality should be made in such way that it does not offend any parties.

Originally posted by: ruhi86

There is secularism, there is human rights, there are religions. Religions don't guarantee human rights, specially women's. Even Hinduism allows polygamy and child marriages, and no concept of divorce. So things change and it's our constitution which gives right to women.
Islam doesn't allow a Muslim woman to marry out of our constitution, our constitution does. In many Islamic nations apostasy and blasphemy are punishable by death. Not so long ago Christians were burning witches and Hindu widows were either burned or forced to live a life of misery.

Tolerating such inhuman laws in the name of religion isn't secularism, u can be religious and keep it to yourself is, without being punished for your beliefs, unless it's a threat for social well being.

the terms like religion, superstitions , customs, laws, codes and conducts are the most confusing at times. first of all no religion wants to harm or mislead people, its the people who explains religious norms and customs in a misleading way. The concept of religion is ancient and in the ages between now and then people manipulated religious concepts and inserted such trash in the name of customs that resulted in many superstitions to be sucked into religions. Aggressiveness prevailed and prevails in all ages and people take the benefits by merging the concepts of religion and state.
Thus reforming of religion is the most important thing needed, if religions can be retained to its pure and core form then such inhuman religious customs which benefits a share of power holders (some so called religious leaders who uses religion for their own purpose) can no longer exist.

The greatest rule of society is to offer the people the freedom at max for their pleasure without affecting any others pleasure.

Originally posted by: Kallol012

the terms like religion, superstitions , customs, laws, codes and conducts are the most confusing at times. first of all no religion wants to harm or mislead people, its the people who explains religious norms and customs in a misleading way. The concept of religion is ancient and in the ages between now and then people manipulated religious concepts and inserted such trash in the name of customs that resulted in many superstitions to be sucked into religions. Aggressiveness prevailed and prevails in all ages and people take the benefits by merging the concepts of religion and state.
Thus reforming of religion is the most important thing needed, if religions can be retained to its pure and core form then such inhuman religious customs which benefits a share of power holders (some so called religious leaders who uses religion for their own purpose) can no longer exist.

The greatest rule of society is to offer the people the freedom at max for their pleasure without affecting any others pleasure.

I agree about the misuse of religion part. But I disagree that a religions are pure and righteous to the core, having many religious texts, this is one thing I realised. Religions were used as a tool to rule over population at given period of time. We can't use same set of rules now as time has changed, our understanding of the universe has changed. As I said there are many religious texts where women are second citizens. Quran doesn't allow female equal share in property as its half of what men get, now this was progressive in 7th century, as it gave females property rights. But now it looks biased. Similarly, stories of Ramayan might be relevant to those periods when wife was thrown out of the palace without any right, now it's not possible.

Things change with time and fortunately we have a constitution which guarantees us equal rights as its not based on religions. But for Muslims it's still the same as it was in 7th century, as its based on their religious books.

Religion must be used for spiritual guidance, not for dominating over a section of society.

Originally posted by: ruhi86

I agree about the misuse of religion part. But I disagree that a religions are pure and righteous to the core, having many religious texts, this is one thing I realised. Religions were used as a tool to rule over population at given period of time. We can't use same set of rules now as time has changed, our understanding of the universe has changed. As I said there are many religious texts where women are second citizens. Quran doesn't allow female equal share in property as its half of what men get, now this was progressive in 7th century, as it gave females property rights. But now it looks biased. Similarly, stories of Ramayan might be relevant to those periods when wife was thrown out of the palace without any right, now it's not possible.

Things change with time and fortunately we have a constitution which guarantees us equal rights as its not based on religions. But for Muslims it's still the same as it was in 7th century, as its based on their religious books.

Religion must be used for spiritual guidance, not for dominating over a section of society.

i don't know much of islam but one thing i can say about them, that is what they believe as a complete code of life is not right. because there is nothing that can be termed as complete.

By the way the quality to change is one of the most important thing. and i think religion should have supported it inherently. At least for Hinduism , i can tell that it accepts changes. " " Religion is made for ensuring the all around development of physical and beyond physical improvement. Religions weren't created to made a second class citizens, but layers were added over religious customs in post ancient ages so that some groups can become the first class citizens. As anthropologists believe that in early ages of civilizations, there was no discrimination in the society. But there are counter opinions too as some other theorists believe that discrimination and biasness are inherent in nature as nature has not made everyone equal and thus discrimination prevailed in early ages too and can't be mitigated in any time. Again some believe civilization itself creates discrimination.

Coming to the religion, the concept of religion was believed to be universal, but too many things happened in between that degraded its universality in such extent that it has become a tremendous task to get back to the universal form of religion, and many later ages religion even was not created as globally as earlier religion was.

Yes, in that sense we have been successful in establishing a powerful substitute to reflect the purpose of religious norms effectively in the form of a constitution. The concept of constitution although a recent idea but it has closeness to age old customs and regulations, being independent of individuality and secure from misuse.

whether it is religion, norms, morals, customs, rules , regulations or laws, in which form they are adapted, the ultimate target should be to ensure the people the maximum freedom in all sense they should get unless and until violating those of anybody else. This is the thing that lays the idea of equality and justice.

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not to forget sasural simar ka. .all bhootni chudail dayan aatma naagin agla janam pichlla janam paataali devi every thing shown in that serial and manage to run for 7 years