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Posted: 8 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: _goofyCat_


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Yes, Teni has every right to take decision about her own life and PaRi don't have any rights to interfere in her life as long as she is fulfilling her commitment. But for that Teni needs to talk to Parth and Shorvori first and make it clear what she wants. Here the situation is more complicated because Aman is related to Parth's family, and Parth doesn't believe in him enough to let him know about the secret of surrogacy. In case you hadn't seen it, Parth himself had said it once to Shorvori that Teni has her own life and she can live it on her own terms. But in this case, it isn't going to be that simple because Aman (and the whole family) neither knows Teni's real identity, nor the surrogacy truth. Parth and Shorvori here are more worried about the truth getting exposed than their baby IMO, because it if gets exposed, it will put both of them as well as Teni in bad light. I don't think Teni has even thought about that, she has taken the decision to stop Aman kinda impulsively.


@ bold
I would have actually given Shorvori a benefit of doubt if Teni's consent actually was the case...but Teni talking to Parth & Shorvori about what she wants doesn't even come into the picture because at this point, Teni is herself confused about what she wants from life...Had Shorvori done what she did ONLY because she was concerned about Teni, I'd actually have less problem with that. However, she manipulated Aman to leave only because she got insecure seeing Aman and Teni's bonding in the room. She didn't like their closeness. So it was not about what Teni wanted, because Shorvori could actually see that Teni was warming up to Aman and was happy in his company...and I agree that Parth is unsure of Aman, but it makes him a shitty friend to manipulate Aman into leaving the house... because I think both Parth & Shorvori have seen that Aman has genuine feelings for Teni. So yeah it was pretty insensitive on their part to ask him to leave...and the fact that they are doing all this only to keep their secret safe is even more awful...what they are doing is legal, and many couples do opt for surrogacy...it's PaRi's own fault that they lied to the family. When they could have been brave and told the family the whole truth, but no... they are too scared to do that so they kept lying,..and now because of the fear of their lies getting exposed , they are ready to manipulate a person and break a potential relationship.. here we have two people, Aman and Teni, who have been alone all their life, no parents, no real family, and now finally when they have a chance at happiness with each other, instead of letting their relationship grow naturally, PaRi tried to sabotage it before it even began, only because of their secret getting exposed which is just sad...

So my question is why should Teni and Aman pay the price and lose their chance at real happiness ONLY because PaRi lied to their family about the surrogacy. Lying to the family was totally wrong on their part. It's their fault alone, not Teni or Aman's. So why should Teni and Aman pay for their stupid decision?

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Posted: 8 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: -poloenigma-


@ bold
I would have actually given Shorvori a benefit of doubt if Teni's consent actually was the case...but Teni talking to Parth & Shorvori about what she wants doesn't even come into the picture because at this point, Teni is herself confused about what she wants from life...Had Shorvori done what she did ONLY because she was concerned about Teni, I'd actually have less problem with that. However, she manipulated Aman to leave only because she got insecure seeing Aman and Teni's bonding in the room. She didn't like their closeness. So it was not about what Teni wanted, because Shorvori could actually see that Teni was warming up to Aman and was happy in his company...and I agree that Parth is unsure of Aman, but it makes him a shitty friend to manipulate Aman into leaving the house... because I think both Parth & Shorvori have seen that Aman has genuine feelings for Teni. So yeah it was pretty insensitive on their part to ask him to leave...and the fact that they are doing all this only to keep their secret safe is even more awful...what they are doing is legal, and many couples do opt for surrogacy...it's PaRi's own fault that they lied to the family. When they could have been brave and told the family the whole truth, but no... they are too scared to do that so they kept lying,..and now because of the fear of their lies getting exposed , they are ready to manipulate a person and break a potential relationship.. here we have two people, Aman and Teni, who have been alone all their life, no parents, no real family, and now finally when they have a chance at happiness with each other, instead of letting their relationship grow naturally, PaRi tried to sabotage it before it even began, only because of their secret getting exposed which is just sad...

So my question is why should Teni and Aman pay the price and lose their chance at real happiness ONLY because PaRi lied to their family about the surrogacy. Lying to the family was totally wrong on their part. It's their fault alone, not Teni or Aman's. So why should Teni and Aman pay for their stupid decision?


@bold, that is the whole thing at which I guess we look from a different perspective. How are Parth and Shorvori supposed to be considerate towards Teni's future when she herself is not sure about it?


IMO, Parth and Shorvori are not wrong in assuming that Aman is an unwanted hurdle in their path because what all they know till now is that, Teni isn't interested in getting married to Aman and all three of them are on the same page when it comes to Aman. Yes, it was out of Shorvori's insecurity of her truth getting exposed that she asked Aman to leave the house after seeing Teni warming upto Aman. But I don't think she did that intentionally to interfere into Teni's life, she just wanted to avoid the complications that will arise if Teni and Aman get closer (there also with the assumption that Teni doesn't love Aman). These complications will not be just for Parth-Shorvori, they will be for Teni too. There is no guarantee that Aman will accept Teni after knowing about her pregnancy, that part is yet to be seen.

It will be actual interference from Parth and Shorvori's side if after knowing that Teni wants to marry Aman, they still coax her not to get into that relationship.

And by the way, Teni has equal share in the lies too!! She came to stay with the Bhanushalis, and lied about being Shorvori's sister. So it isn't that Teni has no fault in all this fiasco. Aman is someone who is not at fault and will suffer in all this, ONLY if he really loves Teni and genuinely wants to marry her.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: janecastle

@ TM- Even I like Teni-Aman jodi but we should not forget the main concept of the show. It is about the dilchasp rishta of the three main leads and I wish it remains the same till the end. At first when Shorvari asked Aman to leave even I felt bad. But when we think about it Shorvari is right on her part. They are trusting the life of their unborn child with a stranger and it is quite natural for them to worry about it. Any normal parents will be worried about their kid and we can't blame them for that.

On the other hand, Teni as an individual has every right t live her life the way she wants. How many time Parth got irritated when Teni came barging into their room and disturbing their 'romance'? What PaRi fails to understand is that the same thing happen both the way around. So it was partially wrong on Shorvari's part to go behind Teni's back and ask Aman to leave. It is only going to complicate the matters further.
So the best thing to do is say the truth to Aman and let him decide what he wants to do. As far as I understood, Aman is a good guy and will never backstab PaRi. Even if he object the whole thing he will never reveal their truth in front of the family. Aman is a valuable ally and it will be good to keep him with them.
It is useless to fight over such things because the show is not about romance. It's about surrogacy. PaRi & Teni-Aman as couples come only secondary in the plot. So there's no use of fighting about the importance of couples and creating fan wars. Let's all just discuss things in a mature and friendly manner without mocking anyone or any character.


@bold parts, absolutely agree with you on this and I too wish the same that the show sticks to its theme of dilchasp rishta between the three leads and the complications arising out of surrogacy.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#24
So much being questioned about what rights do shorvari and parth have to make decisions in teni's life. And so much is being said about backstabbing sabotaging and rights of shorvari in the bhanusali house.
Whether someone accepts it or not, shorvari is the legally wedded wife of parth and she has all rights on the house. Maybe she dint acknowledge it back then because that's how her character is.. I see that as her way of living life owing to the fact that she loves her hubby more than anything and has no one else in life except him and his happiness is hers so she chose her life that way.not everyone is so bold and extrovert types... Some choose to be timid and more submissive because that's how they are...some may choose to call it spineless but I see that as parth and shorvari's love for their family...that they can tolerate anything for them..
She has more rights than aman in the house and that cannot be denied.
Talking about interference in teni's life and taking decision on behalf of her, dint teni do the same thing when she entered bhanusali house. She assumed that pari were leaving her behind and going to US without having a talk with them. And when she entered the house she proclaimed herself as shorvari's sister without asking her consent. What rights did teni have back then to call shorvari her sister to save herself then?. Why wasn't that claimed as teni is making decisions on behalf of parth and shorvari's life?. She did not want to live in the house which parth brought for her when she complained of her tenant issues too...and these two only accepted that demand of hers gracefully.. These two have gone out of their way to support her (in india surrogacy is treated as something to be kept as secret...bitter reality) pari never asked teni to create problems for herself with sejhal . You may say that teni fought for jagruti..and that she cannot see anyone being treated that way..but thats not pari's problem if she thinks that way..every family has their own ways of living and teni is no one to question or change the way they choose to live. Even when she was arrested and later released because of parth, parth never had to prove her innocence to the family although he knows teni is can never be such a girl. However he made sure he did it..why wasn't he questioned then that he was making decisions for her life or interfering in her life?
And coming to aman...how is it that people are so much into this guy who is suddenly in love with the guy who came in 4 days back and proposed to her on fifth day that feel that PaRi are being a hindrance to her life? If not for this entire surrogacy deal, where wud have teni managed to meet aman or stay in bhanusali house?
Teni isn't in love with aman yet..and we don't even know if aman will accept her not after knowing this surrogacy deal...if teni has accepted the proposal its only because of her own selfish reasons which is money and mahal and America dreams and now the newly growing insecuities
If people feel that teni can think of her life and plan for her life with aman because of this sudden insecurities she is facing, then shorvari feeling insecure about what the family would think of surrogacy and feeling protective of the baby isn't wrong. If shorvari asking aman to leave the bhanusali house is termed as sabotaging of teni's life...then teni accepting the marriage proposal forgetting the situation right now and the child she is carrying is sabotaging pari's child's life too..
All the three are in a mess as of now...and i am only hoping that they dont land in a bigger mess because of the selfishness of all the three

As of now teni doesnt know what she wants and what she is getting into and neither do parth and shorvari know if aman is really having the true love feelings...and shorvari asked aman to leave coz this entire wedding drama will somehow jeopardise all the three lives together

I wonder what the reaction would be like if Aman turns grey(which is surely a possibility and indian tv audiences love such twists)or rejects the proposal after getting to know this surrogacy deal. Then will PaRi be blamed that they ruined her life because they dint stop the wedding or the proposal

Well i oly hope that the relationship between the three leads isnt ruined..the show's main theme is that afterall
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Rashmi :

Teni must have lied about being Shorvori's sister because she wanted to stay with PaRi . Now why did she have to lie? Had Parth & Shorvori been honest to their families about the whole thing, she would have no reason to lie! Didn't PaRi tell her that this whole surrogacy deal is supposed to be a secret? So imo the whole mess is a problem of PaRi's own making. And Teni HAD to lie because she was told that the whole thing is supposed to be a secret. If not Shorvori's sister, she would have claimed to be someone else! Why? Because PaRi themselves told her to keep the surrogacy a secret. And it was not to save herself, it was to save Parth & Shorvori's image in the family. Who is Teni to the Bhanushalis? Nothing! If the truth comes out tomorrow, who are going to be blamed for lying to the family in the first place? And would Teni have any reason to lie had PaRi been honest to their families right from the beginning? She's carrying their child in her womb for 9 months . Why are PaRi making it look like it's some dirty secret that needs to be hidden from the family, when in reality what Teni is doing is one of the most purest things that a human being can do for another human being! If Parth and Shorvori can acknowledge the novelty of the act and respect it, then it's their duty to make the family understand the whole deal. Besides, surrogacy is totally legal. I understand that Teni is being paid to be their surrogate, however that doesn't invalid the risks and complications that comes with pregnancy. Teni is uneducated, misinformed about many things in life. I doubt she would have even thought about the health complications that come with pregnancy. So was her consent to be their surrogate really informed consent? Does she understand the implication of what she's doing to her own body? I doubt that.

See, if PaRi are doing what they're doing only for the baby, then it wouldn't even put them in a bad light because the concern is understandable. However, if they're doing it only to keep their secret safe it does make them look bad. Had they been honest to Teni about asking Aman to leave i wouldn't really have that much of a problem, but they did it behind her back, which is problematic imo. Asking Aman to leave Teni alone was Teni's decision. It was Teni's decision to take not Shorvori's. And asking Aman to leave the house was also NOT Shorvori's decision to take. Being the legally wedded wife of a family member of the owner of the house, doesn't make her THE owner of the house. Can Shorvori ask Sejal or Parth's sister to leave the house? Okay I will even agree that Aman has less rights than Shorvori, but how can she ask Aman to leave when it was Dadaji who invited Aman over to stay with them. If not a family member, Aman is Dada ji's guest in Dada ji's house. How does Shorvori get the right to ask him to leave? It would have been a different matter if they didn't live in a joint family and the house belonged to Parth. If that was the case, then as the wife of the owner she would obviously have some rights!

As for Aman turning grey, yes that might be a possible future track, but right now I'm only going to comment on what has been shown. And according to the current track, he is no villain with ulterior motives, so I'm going to take that at face value. And caring for a character that came only 4 days back.. maybe the character is just written in a way, that one starts to care for that character... especially with his backstory. I see no problem with that tbh.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: -poloenigma-


@Rashmi :

Teni must have lied about being Shorvori's sister because she wanted to stay with PaRi . Now why did she have to lie? Had Parth & Shorvori been honest to their families about the whole thing, she would have no reason to lie! Didn't PaRi tell her that this whole surrogacy deal is supposed to be a secret? So imo the whole mess is a problem of PaRi's own making. And Teni HAD to lie because she was told that the whole thing is supposed to be a secret. If not Shorvori's sister, she would have claimed to be someone else! Why? Because PaRi themselves told her to keep the surrogacy a secret. And it was not to save herself, it was to save Parth & Shorvori's image in the family. Who is Teni to the Bhanushalis? Nothing! If the truth comes out tomorrow, who are going to be blamed for lying to the family in the first place? And would Teni have any reason to lie had PaRi been honest to their families right from the beginning? She's carrying their child in her womb for 9 months . Why are PaRi making it look like it's some dirty secret that needs to be hidden from the family, when in reality what Teni is doing is one of the most purest things that a human being can do for another human being! If Parth and Shorvori can acknowledge the novelty of the act and respect it, then it's their duty to make the family understand the whole deal. Besides, surrogacy is totally legal. I understand that Teni is being paid to be their surrogate, however that doesn't invalid the risks and complications that comes with pregnancy. Teni is uneducated, misinformed about many things in life. I doubt she would have even thought about the health complications that come with pregnancy. So was her consent to be their surrogate really informed consent? Does she understand the implication of what she's doing to her own body? I doubt that.




Maybe. Maybe Teni had to tell all the lies because of Parth and Shorvori hid the truth from THEIR family. But what right Teni had to barge into their house, just because she felt they are going to cheat her? Parth and Shorvori told lies to their family doesn't make Teni's lies look right. Teni told one lie after another to the family members which increased the complications day by day. Parth and Shorvori's mistake in all this was they didn't think about future problems and didn't take the decision of making an alternate arrangement for her at the right time. To be honest, all these problems started cropping up once Teni entered Bhanushali house.

The basic point to understand here is, all three of them have entered into the deal (they have signed a LEGAL CONTRACT) for their own benefit, without giving a thought to future consequences of it. All three of them are at equal fault here. But if you want to assume that Teni is suffering without absolutely any fault of hers in all this, you are free to do so.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: _goofyCat_


Maybe. Maybe Teni had to tell all the lies because of Parth and Shorvori hid the truth from THEIR family. But what right Teni had to barge into their house, just because she felt they are going to cheat her? Parth and Shorvori told lies to their family doesn't make Teni's lies look right. Teni told one lie after another to the family members which increased the complications day by day. Parth and Shorvori's mistake in all this was they didn't think about future problems and didn't take the decision of making an alternate arrangement for her at the right time. To be honest, all these problems started cropping up once Teni entered Bhanushali house.

The basic point to understand here is, all three of them have entered into the deal (they have signed a LEGAL CONTRACT) for their own benefit, without giving a thought to future consequences of it. All three of them are at equal fault here. But if you want to assume that Teni is suffering without absolutely any fault of hers in all this, you are free to do so.


Okay if Teni just barged into their home, why couldn't they just ask her to leave? Explain the situation to Teni and respectfully ask her to co-operate with them. Why did they entertain Teni's intrusion?

The fact is that Teni had to lie because she had to give a cover to Parth & Shorvori's lies. The chain of lies was started by Parth & Shorvori, which was extremely foolish on their part. Now Teni has to keep up with the lies because she frankly has no other option! Her only fault in this was that she went in to stay with Parth & Shorvori, not the lies that followed because she can't speak the truth even if she wanted to.

They did enter into a legal contract, but that contract doesn't give Parth & Shorvori the right to take decisions which affect Teni's personal life, without asking Teni. Whatever Teni did , what ever lies she told, she did it infront of PaRi, not behind their backs. However, Shorvori did go behind Teni's back and manipulate Aman into leaving the house. Why couldn't she just tell Teni what she was about to do? When she very well knew that she had no right in the world to take decisions on Teni's behalf , which could have a permanent impact on Teni's life. Who Teni decides to marry, whatever be the reason behind it, is Teni's own business. A third party doesn't have to right to interfere in something which is so personal. Tbh the only two people who have a say in this matter are Teni and Aman. No legal contract gives them the right go behind their surrogate's back and do something that would impact the surrogate's personal life. That is my only problem with what Parth & Shorvori did. The fact that they went behind Teni's back is what bothers me . I'm still waiting to see how they react to Teni agreeing to marry Aman...that would show where their real priorities lie.

They don't have the right to manipulate Aman and rob him off a potential future with a girl, just because the girl is carrying their child and their lies would get exposed to the family.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hiding the surrogacy is been mentioned as a huge issue here. The situation was created for PaRi in such a way that they were left with no choice but to hide the surrogacy. If PaRi's initial lies made Teni hide about her real identity, PaRi also had similar reasons in the form of the emotional blackmail from Parth's mother Indu. And she unfairly gave them timelines in getting pregnant. The success rate of getting pregnant within a month after am abortion is 0.

Adding onto it, Shorvari's Fallopian tube getting damaged issue surfaced making it more complicated and impossible for them to reveal the truth. PaRi also had a hurdle Confessing the truth which again would dampen Dadaji's health since he has an heart attack right after a few days of Shorvari's abortion. People who watch the show regularly should remember all these situations which made PaRi hide this surrogacy deal out of peer family pressure. And when Teni signed this deal legally she was informed by Parth of the reasons why they're going to keep this surrogacy as a secret. She however chose to put all those conditions behind her when she chose to walk into the Bhanushali's house. It's only coz she entered into their house without thinking, just like how she accepted to go on with this surrogacy without giving a thought.

It's a known thing that, Once a lie is said there's no chance of coming out of the chain that's created around it unless they have the courage enough to confess everything, when the family couldn't agree with Parth's choice of marrying a Bengali girl, PaRi were right to hide this surrogacy deal from their family as they've seen & realised that how regressive their family is. Not everyone will feel the need to go against their family for every single issue, nor they will choose to get out of such family since their thoughts don't match.

Like Rashmi said, if PaRi are alone considered wrong in hiding this from their family and in cooking up several lies in the process, and Teni is just innocent in all this, you are free to think so.

If people can care for a character who just entered a few days ago, it is also completely justified to feel for Shorvari who has been a poor orphan, faced troubles all her life, and also faced opposition in her marriage from her in laws only coz she was from a different culture. With her backstory of losing her kid and stuff matured, married women can definitely relate to her more than anyone in this show...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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But my point is that whatever the situation might have been then, they could have waited. They could have waited for dadaji's health to stabilize. They could have told Indu the whole truth. They didn't have to lie about a thing which is so serious. They could have waited without taking such a big decision n a hurry. But they lied because for them their baby was the only ticket for acceptance in the bhanushali family. I can't connect to Parth and Shorvori's characters and that's my personal opinion. However I do understand that there are people who connect to them, and I never questioned that . Me saying that I could connect to Aman because of the writing and the backstory was in response to a question asking how could I connect to a character that entered the show 4 days ago. And frankly, it's not even Aman that I connect to. I personally watch this show as Teni's journey and want to see her growth as an individual. Because the story and execution didn't appeal to me at all. It was Teni's fresh and unique characterization which gave me a reason to watch this show. I know there are people who watch the show for PaRi and I don't question that at all. Even I started watching this show only because Sidharth played one of my favourite characters on Indian TV in the past and I wanted to see him in a different character. It's another thing that neither the show nor the new character appealed to me. However there are people who do connect to his character and I understand that...my only problem is the fact they they took a decision regarding Teni's personal life, without informing Teni.
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Originally posted by: SudHaVeN-

Hiding the surrogacy is been mentioned as a huge issue here. The situation was created for PaRi in such a way that they were left with no choice but to hide the surrogacy. If PaRi's initial lies made Teni hide about her real identity, PaRi also had similar reasons in the form of the emotional blackmail from Parth's mother Indu. And she unfairly gave them timelines in getting pregnant. The success rate of getting pregnant within a month after am abortion is 0.

Adding onto it, Shorvari's Fallopian tube getting damaged issue surfaced making it more complicated and impossible for them to reveal the truth. PaRi also had a hurdle Confessing the truth which again would dampen Dadaji's health since he has an heart attack right after a few days of Shorvari's abortion. People who watch the show regularly should remember all these situations which made PaRi hide this surrogacy deal out of peer family pressure. And when Teni signed this deal legally she was informed by Parth of the reasons why they're going to keep this surrogacy as a secret. She however chose to put all those conditions behind her when she chose to walk into the Bhanushali's house. It's only coz she entered into their house without thinking, just like how she accepted to go on with this surrogacy without giving a thought.

It's a known thing that, Once a lie is said there's no chance of coming out of the chain that's created around it unless they have the courage enough to confess everything, when the family couldn't agree with Parth's choice of marrying a Bengali girl, PaRi were right to hide this surrogacy deal from their family as they've seen & realised that how regressive their family is. Not everyone will feel the need to go against their family for every single issue, nor they will choose to get out of such family since their thoughts don't match.

Like Rashmi said, if PaRi are alone considered wrong in hiding this from their family and in cooking up several lies in the process, and Teni is just innocent in all this, you are free to think so.

If people can care for a character who just entered a few days ago, it is also completely justified to feel for Shorvari who has been a poor orphan, faced troubles all her life, and also faced opposition in her marriage from her in laws only coz she was from a different culture. With her backstory of losing her kid and stuff matured, married women can definitely relate to her more than anyone in this show...


I agree to your each and every point and I truely think parth shorvari are not at fault too.
But i dont agree whatever you have written in @bold. Like Teni shouldn't barge into their house and she has no any right to barge into someone's place. I have seen that episode too and i dont think whatever Teni did at that time, was wrong considering the situations she was facing at that time. She had Parth shorvari's child in her womb; her visa got cancelled; on top of that Parth-Shorvari were not answering her calls...in that situation, what should a girl do??
Coming to Parth Shorvari.; yes they both have told so many lies to their family. But i dont think they are at fault in all these situations. Their family members have created such a situation in the house that except speaking lie to them, they didnt have any other way.

None of them is at fault. Their (PaRi and Teni) circumstances were never in their favour. Yes the only thing i didnt like in previous episode was that Shorvari shouldnt ask Aman to leave. Rest; they all are my favourite characters and I am sure PaRi will be the one who would support Aman Teni relation in the future. And i think That's how their dil chasp rishta will build up in the show.

Lets wait and watch, what's going to happen in today's episode😊
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