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Hi, I wanted to address all concerning issues. Please read, please read till the end. As I will break my explanation structurally. I didn't want to make a post based on my opinion and wanted to make sure it was balanced.. Hence I did some research and took views from friends, family and professionals to get a more unbiased reflection. The comments we make and the impression we give on the internet is important ' hence one should take great responsibility, whilst even if it in a discussion forum for a fictional show.

First I wanted to commend Saubhagyavati bhava, a new genre of show which pulled out of the garbs of latent saffronisation of TV towards secularisation and handled a bold topic of DV whilst still keeping traditions, morals, religion and respect intact. It touched our souls and mind regarding the suffering women endure as a victim of such abuse. It taught us , backing down and wishing problems away will not resolve them and God helps those who help themselves, it distinguished between Aathma Vishwaas and Anth Vishwaaas.

It explored a new illness which was possibly never heard of by many, OCPD however it is a different thing altogether that they stretched and made fun of the illness and made the patient a sociopath instead. The objective of addressing the illness was lost for a while.. but not forgotten.

Everyone for whatever reason has been unhappy during the course of the show for valid reasons and also- some can be considered whims and fancies. What are or could be these whims and fancies? People wanting Viraj to be redeemed, the hope of seeing Rajvi / Raghvi romance, Glorification of evil, punishment of evil, Jahnvi returning to Viraj, or her starting a perfect new life with Raghav. WE DO NOT KNOW. These whims and fancies could be anything that could be the reason for the creative's are writing for, which is upsetting the actors and rushed leaps and story lines are being written.

We need to move forward... yet understand the past.

Jahnvi escaped the hell she was living in with Viraj after the tremendous abuse she endured, that made the hair on our arms stand up. She went to start a new life and found help in the form of Raghav. This was unrealistic. Half the audience complained to show realism here and the other half were happy that Janhvi received that help. All women who are DV victims need help. However her knight was glorified as he was completely the opposite of her abuser. He was 'perfect'.

Just as things were looking better, the abuser returns. Glorified as he was, 'his power seemed unbeatable. BUT Jahnvi kept quiet ' she managed to remain under the same roof as him without telling anyone he was a dangerous man. UNTIL his attacks got worse. Now came the time of the glorified knight verses the glorified abuser. To catch one Rowdy Villain you need a Rowdy hero. This is what happened. BUT why was Viraj glorified in the first place. This is a serial it has to run for some time, the concept was always built around Viraj and his mysterious ways and the suspense. Be it Sleeping with the enemy, Agnisakshi, Darrar, Yaraana and many others, they all had the element of suspense to grip a wider audience.

Again here the fight if being realistic - could have been between Jahnvi and Viraj, BUT it wasn't and I'd say it was better and easier to have Raghvi face Viraj together. Can you see the pattern? There are many instances above alone that show - realism wasn't applied, where some were happy the others were dissatisfied.

For he was shown powerful, a untouchable character was thrown out of character so to speak and he lost. Good prevailed over evil. This is what people wanted to see - this was the long awaited justice. So SB taught women not to suffer in silence, make a stand and fight your fear. Fuel your inner strength with self confidence.

So we saw Jahnvi's journey in hell, fighting out of hell twice and now she is in martial heaven. What did we miss? We missed her journey 'from out of hell' to 'heaven'. Why? Because they showed her remaining within culture, falling in love after the divorce and marrying straight away. I see CV's have taken a regressive take with this. BUT isn't this what half the audience wanted for ages? Wasn't this a fancy too?

Now they show Raghvi happily married and have a strong bond. They have disregarded a very common thing called depression. A DV victim time to time if not for a long time would hit depression. She wouldn't be all lovey dovey and things would not be hunky dory all the time. This is very unrealistic. The Raghvi moments are extremely cute don't get me wrong and if people can deal with fiction, watch these moments and forget about them then they are beautiful. Those who are expecting more will look for realism and will not be able to find it here.

The DAY Viraj got arrested the DV story stopped.. what you see past the leap is more fiction. She has become Saubhagyavati Bhava without the question mark.

BUT then that is loosing the original concept isn't it? So how do they run the show and keep the question mark with SB? They cannot show Raghav having an affair, cannot turn him into a abuser, cannot make her a widow.. because this will defeat the whole object of giving hope to DV victims.

What happen next... ?

Viraj, the illness is being addressed. He has been punished by law and sentenced for 7 years. As his human rights, he's eligible for treatment... hence he is sent off to the mental asylum for a change. (Normally he sent other people there). OCPD has become a lost cause... He went on to becoming a Psychopath and a sociopath. I did state in my last big report Sociopaths cannot be treated. I bet CV's knew this and decided for some other way.

A redemption track, which was also very much requested by half their audience. Now again this was very fast forward too. They should have shown Jahnvi and Raghav's marriage slowly, they should have shown slowly Viraj getting tortured, and so on. If Viraj was electrocuted in Rana's den.. then that would have been seen as a punishment - and the audience would have been cheering. Here CV's have somewhat created sympathy for him as this torture was done under professional influence. Ethics play a huge part, this was seen as unethical. Yet everyone knows this was his punishment one way or the other.

Has Viraj been punished? Satisfactorily? I had to get a lot of opinions on this one, bec of the sensitive issues of ethics etc.

If Viraj the Dobriyal was given a choice of punishment, Death or Childlike state what would he have chosen? I'd say death bec after he stabbed Jahnvi when Raghav was going to commit his first and only murder that too off Mr V Dobriyal he looked ready to go. What has happened to him now is the worst thing he could ever think of, his worst nightmare.

The man who had table manners, his clothes didn't just sit on him perfectly but sat in his cupboard uniformly owns nothing but three garments today. He who lived in a palace has become a destitute. He who could not stand anyone look at his wife whether it was her friend Sanjay or even a priest has lost his wife to another man. He who had a wide spread at his dining table with etiquettes and manners is almost beaten up for a bite of Prasad and is dining of the floor. He, whom no one could touch, is whipped to the ground by young children.

So evil, is it being glorified still or what we see here is a case of 'What goes around, comes around'?

What you do in this world ' will come back to haunt you situation?

Original V is dead. This V is not the same person. The body is his; the soul is his and this life which is worse than death is his. Right now he doesn't have a clue why he is being punished. Though I must say when it comes to V I also remain apprehensive somewhat, and I am not in a rush to sing "Bache maan ke saache" for him as yet. BUT I do believe his mind has been tampered with badly and his shown state is not a act. I don't think CV's would go down the track of faking this. Evidence of small detailing, his attention on the motorbike even when he is in danger etc shows a childlike state.

Authorial intent is evident His reaching the temple, God punished him and for his current state will also protect him, Pandit's words of him having done bad deeds. CV's ne tho 2 weeks mein Viraj ke saarey paap do dhaaley. Were they right to do that? I will touch on that in a moment. BUT yes the authorial intent goes with the ethics, He's punished ' he's a new soul now. However Viraj's "Pandithji Thankyou" raised the hairs on my arms again. When the added tune in twinke twinkle plays ' I almost wait for his eyebrow to go up.

Moving on again...

Is it right for Raghvi taking Viraj in? As per the story '- the reasons are fitting, it is more so for finding Rana than anything else. The message is wrong; the DV victim does not get a break from her abuser, she is going to be looking after him. Is there a message of humanity being sent here? Have a big heart, Love thy enemies. Is this track scripted for convenience? It would have been okay to see and more acceptable by the audience if Viraj was looked after by someone other than the Singh household. CV's error is bringing them together. There is no realism here. BUT oops I told you a little while ago past leap the show stopped being realistic.

Has the pace been too fast.Yes! It has been fast, Jahnvi's achanak change of character, V's character redeemed so quickly. In two mins flat within 2 weeks of the leap Pandit ji has told the audience 'Is bache ke saarey paap maaf, you are now God protected child'. Fair enough, he's wiped clean in the brain ' so that makes him a new man... BUT what we never got to see was original V feel remorse for his bad deeds. This is not my personal statement but from the unbiased opinions I've taken, It may be unethical to hate V in this state, BUT the pace of it all happening was too soon. I wish they would have thought of another track then this shortcut. Non the less KVB is excellent at this given challenge as a actor and performer.

As for character growth.. Jahnvi has grown overnight. Viraj has been reduced over night and again we'll see him growing up.. lol, growing into the new character. Raghav was already perfect ' CV's have created a blooper because where is the space now for his growth? Other than supporting Viraj, protecting the family, romancing Sia, Killing Rana what is of his character. CV's better think of something good and solid to keep ma boy in this show.

I have made this a neutral post. There is a lot if things happening and emotions running high already. I have tried to look at all aspects of the concerning issues and addressed them to the best as I can, and free from my personal opinion. I hope readers will read with a open mind. Remember you may have your own opinion ' but sometimes you have to see the other persons side too and reason, rather than spitting comments at each other out of annoyance.. bec it will only aggravate the situation. As human lets all give and earn respect.

Chow for now.. Thanks for reading.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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omg such a long post. okay I need to gave a long reply too.

Res will comment soon

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Posted: 12 years ago
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If you ask me whatever i have seen post leap i don't see a redemption coming viraj is still the same ... many things hint at it that he is just acting.

Secondly to your question if he had a choice to die or be childlike what would he choose ... he will never choose death that is just not viraj ... remember raghav saying tum khud ko kabhi maro gey nahi aur tumhari haar tumhe jeeney nahi dey gi? People like Viraj are coward they would never choose their death no matter what.

I have a problem with his redemption and i have said this many times and stated reasons too, won't go into that here but I have an even bigger problem with Raghav and Sia taking care of him ... tell me which woman can stand her abuser and rapist in front of her eyes and take care of him, specially when she is married now? Is it even realistic? Does it even make any sense? Imagine yourself in her place won't you freak out and cringe every time he will be in front of you? Which husband, no matter what the reason would want his wife to take care of such a man? Thing is CVs ignore human behavior when it comes to Raghav and Sia or showing their story, which makes it harder for audience to relate with them and hence with their story ... they did it with Sia's realization, they did it with her divorce, they did it with Raghav's transition ... they did by skipping their entire early married life and showing Sia is all normal and her past does not haunt her. This is my biggest problem with the show! And when all this is done just to bring Viraj back in focus then naturally you feel irritated and develop a dislike.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Soaps1

If you ask me whatever i have seen post leap i don't see a redemption coming viraj is still the same ... many things hint at it that he is just acting.

Secondly to your question if he had a choice to die or be childlike what would he choose ... he will never choose death that is just not viraj ... remember raghav saying tum khud ko kabhi maro gey nahi aur tumhari haar tumhe jeeney nahi dey gi? People like Viraj are coward they would never choose their death no matter what.

I have a problem with his redemption and i have said this many times and stated reasons too, won't go into that here but I have an even bigger problem with Raghav and Sia taking care of him ... tell me which woman can stand her abuser and rapist in front of her eyes and take care of him, specially when she is married now? Is it even realistic? Does it even make any sense? Imagine yourself in her place won't you freak out and cringe every time he will be in front of you? Which husband, no matter what the reason would want his wife to take care of such a man? Thing is CVs ignore human behavior when it comes to Raghav and Sia or showing their story, which makes it harder for audience to relate with them and hence with their story ... they did it with Sia's realization, they did it with her divorce, they did it with Raghav's transition ... they did by skipping their entire early married life and showing Sia is all normal and her past does not haunt her. This is my biggest problem with the show! And when all this is done just to bring Viraj back in focus then naturally you feel irritated and develop a dislike.

I tead u. Like I said I doubt viraj tooo..sometimes but I think cvs will use common sense to not make him fake. They may take a faking track and end the show on his death.

Without even putting my self in her shoes I'd say sia caring for viraj is wrong. I mentioned this near the end of my post. if I was in her place I'd break a few plates on raghavs head, and ask him how dare he bring that man in my life again. If raghav needs to protect him, he should keep him safely somewhere and care for him...without telling sia...this could have created a better track, with sia worrying what is raghav up to etc. but putting v bang in the middle of them makes no sense to anyone.
Abt the death thing, what r said was before the incident I mentioned. I maybe wrong, but it looked as though he'd given up at that point when he was shocked and let r beat him. He has a hate for mad ppl, hence I think he'd choose death.what you and I think can't change the done script, cvs have punished him in their own style I guess. Gods punishment was greater than the courts.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: carisma2

. Gods punishment was greater than the courts.


It is true but in this show cvs are greater thAn even God. You forgot that pundit already said that he already suffered from his misdeed and god has already forgiven him.


This show has made mockery out of not only woman but relationship too. It is impossible in real world that abused wife will take care of her ex abusive husband and her husband will help in that. So pathetic and unrealistic.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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One small example of how wrong they go when capturing human behavior ... two three epis back Sia was shown all panicked when she heard Raghav only mention viraj's name ... where as in last epi when she saw Viraj run away news and called Raghav she was talking like some changez khan ... no panic or anything in her voice ... uss ka dimagh bhi nahi phata, which she herself was pointing out two days back only 🤣
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The whole problem with this show is the imbalance between reality and fiction as when u r dealing with real sensetive issue like DV and even to some extend mental illness then one must be extra careful in showing it. Here makers choosed a very unrealistic ghisa pita way which hardly happens. They could have showed J first gaining her self confidence and fighting her abuser and later trying to start a new life with R. If they could made her stay at ashram and interacting with other victims and comparing her self with others cases and in process R and his family helping her as she cant match muscle and money power of VD.

R could have potrayed as her mentor without any romantic angle as he helps anyone and after divorce slowly showing track between them and J inner turmiol about a second relationship her fears , committment etc and R make her realise that he really differnt from V in every sense.

About V can only say made a joke of mental ppl and what was the need to show him having mental illness when had decided to show him as sociopath and not every abuser is mental pateint. He cant be forgived for evil deeds but one cant snatch right to feel remorse.
There was no need intermingle V and R&J in name of so called rana as seperate track would have been much better then this. Lastly dont want V to fake this time as they already shown that during ML track. VD must genuinely repent at some point to make ppl rethink who are bilndly supporting evil acts.

Lastly a brilliant post after a long time.
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I would have loved it if they had shown Raghav Sia get married but live as friends for a long time with sia struggling with her past, may be even taking help before bringing in a romantic angle but oh well no point complaining now

I would have loved even more if they had shown sia actually leave Raghav and go become a teacher and after a year come back to him finally realizing she loves him ... that would have been a much better and more realistic way to bring about a leap then what crap they are showing, which looks more like a forced story that has no connection with whatever was shown in the past.

The goon that shot at Dev earlier was not the one who shot at him post leap ... when they revealed Raghav's past leap was planned even then ... so its clear they had no idea what they would be doing post leap and yet were rushing for a leap, else atleast the guy who shot at him would have been same 🤣

And about the whole Raghav Sia taking care of Viraj thing, its most senseless ever, which ever way i look at it ,,, no husband can stand to see his wife's abuser no matter what the reason, no wife can ever bear to stand her ex-abusive husband who almost killed her and tried killing her present hubby many times ... utter senseless crap 🤢
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Nice post... There was 1 year leap Viraj is already been punished & electrocated for 1 year, even if he would have got 7 years punishment then there would have been 7 years leap that doesnt mean he is not punished & Viraj has also had DV childhood & the show is about DV so Viraj is important, Jahnvi already got justice (though i didnt liked that track coz it was more of RS V/S V)

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