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Posted: 13 years ago

#161

Originally posted by: Elysia

Furthermore, to blame HC for the downfall of the show is ridiculous.

On one hand, people claim that the TRPs dip because of him, and on the other hand they claim that the show won't survive if he quits and he is to be held responsible for it.

Please. It's the creatives who destroyed the show, altering it, making stupid mistakes that compromised the essence of the show, the social message, and even the characters. It's the creatives who should be held reponsible for the show's destruction because, as far as I'm concerned, they cheated the viewers and the actors.

But the creatives hide rather than stepping forth and admitting that the show went astray due to their ridiculous screenplay and poor execution, due to their mistakes.

I won't be surprised if the channel strategy is to blame HC for the show going down once he leaves -- forget the fact that it has been going down for a long time. The channel, and the creatives, will use HC as the scapegoat because he decided to take a stand.

Pathetic. Channel aside, one should assume that the creatives would at least back up the actor who gave life to Raghav and made him what he is today -- but it seems that they're either too chicken to step forth and admit their mistakes, or they support the channel who writes their paychecks every month.

Point is, people want to blame someone for the content of the show -- blame the channel and, even better; blame the writers. We've experienced more than once that they've gone ahead and compromised the show's message and characters.

i totally agree. they cannot run the show without him. still he is blamed. if he leaves the show hardly people will watch

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..Naina..

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Posted: 13 years ago

#162

Quick Note:

Everyone, please stick to the topic discussion at hand - which is about HC and his decision to quit the show. Please do NOT bring in KVB into this topic because well, this thread itself is not about him.

Like we've stated in the rules, it's this general diversion from topics that is what leads to the fights and constant skirmishes in the forum so let's just stick to the main topic at hand.

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On a side note, there have been a lot of reports, and I went through a huge chunk last night and I will be going through the rest in a few hours after I get back from work. There's more reports as we speak, so just be patient with me as the other two DT members are busy, so it's just me right now. Any questions, comments, or concerns, feel free to PM me, but just be a bit more patient than usual as there's a lot going on and it'll take me some time to get to anything. 😊

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dsdsb.addict

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Posted: 13 years ago

#163

If the news is true - its a smart move both morally & for his career. There's no need to be a part of a sinking ship.

Edited by dsdsb.addict - 13 years ago

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

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Posted: 13 years ago

#164

Originally posted by: Elysia
"Here is a case of a man who is mentally imbalanced and Saubhagyavati reflects that the problem can be solved with psychiatric help..."

Giving a mentally imbalanced person psychiatric help isn't equivalent to redeeming him. The issue isn't that V is given psychiatric help -- if that was the case, then HC would've quit when they made him repeat dialogues like "you should get treatment", etc. The issue is the social message being lost and the course that the show has taken.

Psychiatric help or not, V is still an abuser who should be serving his punishment behind bars. Is he? No. Was he? No. The current track was never a part of the plan. Neither were a lot of things that had happened post his entry.

Can't change the perceptions of people, but to assume that an actor could've predicted the amount of damage creatives would do with the show is kind of ridiculous. In addition to that, when he was interviewed on it, he'd already signed the contract. Who says that at the time he signed the contract, the creatives had even written V as mentally imbalanced? His OCPD issue wasn't raised until later on in the show. For reasons we all know.

In the end, again, that's hardly the point. The point is rather that he's had enough now and is standing up for what's right. He has nothing to say to victims when they come to him because of the turn this show has taken -- and that's just sad. The channel and creatives should be held responsible for corrupting the show.

First of all, I was responding to the fact that you and others attributed HC's discontent with the fact that Viraj is not a villain, and that he is being/will soon be tended to by Raghav and Sia. HC's discontent can stem from a lot of things, but to say that it's because he's not happy with Viraj's redemption is just a conjecture. And one I will challenge.

You're right, can't change the perceptions of people. Who assumes that the actor could've predicted the damage? All agree that the creatives have done damage. You are just assuming that what he is standing up against is the same thing you have a problem with.

@bold. Seriously? Viraj was said to be mentally inbalanced before the show even went on air. For reasons we all know? What reasons? Please, articles mentioned his mental issues before the show aired. Some of the descriptions of the show mention his mental illness. It was raised on the show before HC even came. And you're telling me that HC didn't know about it until after he signed the contract and then he was forced to tout that line? Please.

And once again I will quote the the question and answer

Okay. But many people are of the opinion that the show glorifies
domestic violence. Your take on it'

See everyone has his or her way of looking at things. Unfortunately, people are giving more importance to the negatives in the show rather than the positives.Here is a case of a man who is mentally imbalanced and Saubhagyavati reflects that the problem can be solved with psychiatric help. Moreover, domestic violence is prevalent in our country and the show is just creating awareness about it.

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KhatamKahani

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Posted: 13 years ago

#165

Originally posted by: Elysia

Plus he did allow the channel/creatives to mess with his character for a long time. Whatever triggered him breaking his silence now, I'm certain it's because they've done something that he simply cannot stand for.

I agree. And in fact this is something I and others had brought up before. You have to commend an actor who has been quiet for a long time and took everything, only to finally break his silence when he feels he must.

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Soaps1

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Posted: 13 years ago

#166

Originally posted by: crazygod

What will an actor loose if the show gets affected, they walk out with hefty payments, but what about so many people working day in and night out on the show, who do not earn lakhs of rupees like actors... They end up suffering being jobless, the actor moves on from one green pasture to another... If any actor is in so much of guilt, that his role is causing social injustice, and he is forced on to pass a wrong social message, and he feels quagmired, then should he take the payment for the role that he is doing... Because that money is also cursed by plight of those domestic violence women, who are being claimed to be the motivation behind this decision... Many would argue that why should he, its his hard work money, he did his role honestly... So you enjoy all the luxuries offered w/o blinking, but abandon the ship that cruised you to here. that Oh I boarded the wrong ship...

AND I DO FEEL REALLY BAD ABOUT IT...

AND I AM REALLY SORRY IF MY ASSUMPTIONS/HYPOTHESIS HAVE HURT SOMEONE...

Sorry but this feels like a typical PH person talking, who is upset with him leaving. No offense but your reply sounded like that

Do you have any idea how many hours actors put in for those so called hefty payments? Acting is not like any other 9 to 5 job, also it is a creative medium and for any creative medium you need to have satisfaction, you need the belief to continue doing what you do, you have to enjoy it. I am sure he took payment only for the amount of time he worked for the show, till the time he believed in his char, till the time he knew despite everything his char was doing some positive contribution. Like I already said he must have been at his wits end to do something like this because Harshad has never been the one to walk out of his shows. He did not walk out of even Dharampatni, which never delivered, he was a part of it till its very last episode, not just that he gave it his best till the very end! He did not walk out of Desh even when it was shifted to an afternoon slot that too one where it was impossible for the viewers to watch it. Not just that some of his best performances as Prem were delivered then. So saying actors walk out without caring about the crew or people who don't take hefty salaries and viewers ... sorry but Harshad is not that, his track record is a proof!!! If he is walking out of a show there has to be a BIG really big reason!!!

As a viewer I know how frustrated i feel that i won't be able to see Raghav and RaghavI because i do love them and I know viewers and fans could be one reason why it might have taken him this long to walk out. Harshad does not act his character, he lives them so leaving the show and the character will be 100 times more harder for him as an actor, who worked so hard to make a place for Raghav in the show, despite entering six months late. How many actor are able to leave a mark with their character after entering an already established show that too as a lead? If you ask me hardly a few! So Harshad believed in what he was doing hence he did it!

I loved his character Anurag, from very first episode what intrigued me was why Anurag went mad, I watched entire show waiting for that track to start ... and what happened? PH and channel had a fall out, they decided to end the show in a hurry and in last rushed up episode they showed Anurag was never mad that too in a way that left you pulling your hair. I felt frustrated as a viewer, i felt cheated, i had started watching that show for him but had fallen in love with story and characters ... tell me was the actor responsible then? No he was not in fact the last episode of the show wasted all his hard work in making the character ... one episode took it away all his effort in making the character ... if PH and channels act like this and don't care about anyone why is it that if an actor takes a stand that too when pushed to limits, the question of hefty payments is raised? He worked for what he earned and worked real hard.

As for viewers most of us have been voicing our opinion for months about what has been going on in the show and it was no different than what Harshad has said now. So i don't know how he can be blamed for it. This is my 4th show of him and I know he is not someone to walk out because he believes in every character he takes up and unless compelled beyond limits he won't ever walk out!

Also you saying actors move on from one show to the other easily while crew suffers, I am sorry but I think its easier for the crews to find a new job, compared to actors. Because if not one show other one comes up, there is no shortage of work for crew ever in the industry, where as actors specially those who take a stand risk their entire career! With what he has done Harshad has put his career at stake, for someone who does not even have a back-up career this must not have been easy and if he has done it I am damn sure thing had reached a point where he just could not take it anymore.

Edited by Soaps1 - 13 years ago

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KhatamKahani

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Posted: 13 years ago

#167

Originally posted by: Soaps1
As for argument Viraj stole the show and HC realized it now and blah blah ... that is the opinion of Viraj fans who have always had a bias for Raghav and Harshad so that opinion is not neutral anyways because its coming from viraj fans!

Also, until now, I'd say the two-minute role was more of something that happened frequently to Raghav and Sia's characters, rather than to Viraaj -- Sia's confession scene was 2 minutes compared to Viraaj's driving scene that took a lot more time for instance, Raghav's entire transition happened in less time than was taken by Viraj's haircut alone. But HC and Sriti made sure their performance conveyed the shock and the horror that both would have at that point. Same for the divorce scene. While Viraaj got excessive focus and brilliant cinematography to back his scenes up, HC and SJ gave their roles an edge with their performance. The proof of this is we never saw V fans complaining regarding the screen space he got!

First of all, @blue I just want to make clear that not all the Viraj fans are saying this. Second of all it's not only the Viraj fans that have mentioned the possibility of competition/issues between the actors.

Regarding the second quote @bold. I didn't see any complaints about R-S or R screentime in the last two weeks and in some previous days throughout the months when R was featured more. So what if V fans never complained about the screenspace, they've constantly complained about his characterization.

Edited by likarsh - 13 years ago

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Soaps1

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Posted: 13 years ago

#168

But has Harshad any where said himself that his discontent is because there is a redemption track for viraj or that he is turning positive or anything like that? If not then why are we assuming that as a reason?

He talked about DV cause and I feel that cause was damaged by skipping the entire journey of Sia, making her fall in love in two minutes, realization in another 2, marriage in two more ... no focus on her emotional journey, no focus on how it affected her psychologically ... I always knew RaghavI will happen but despite a RaghavI fan i felt they moved too quickly to make her realize her love and rushed with entire transition. Raghav's own transition was skipped from a mechanic to a businessman.

Also V redemption is one thing how they show it is another, Raghav Sia taking care of him, makes no sense to most of us as viewers either.

I personally don't approve of Viraj turning positive (my opinion) but when harshad has not even hinted at that as a reason why are we bringing it up?

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

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Posted: 13 years ago

#169

Because, Soaps, I'm not the one who brought it up. I'm the one replying to and countering those who keep bringing it up and assuming and stating that it is his reason for discontent.