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Posted: 13 years ago
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On this mental illness thing, I think back to Sriti's last serial Rakt Sambandh, where too she first had an abusive husband, and later a nicer one. There were some parallels b/w that and this, but not all - they did that serial in a much saner way.

I'll just discuss the parallel in question. In that serial, her first husband Yuvraj was a eunuch, who hid that fact and married her, and was obsessed about the public ever knowing about his sexuality. In this serial, Viraj is an OCPD sufferer. In that serial, the plot involved Yuvraj getting married to a blind Sandhya, hiding from her family the fact that he was a eunuch, and his family accidentally killing Sandhya's father while trying to prevent him from aborting the marriage on their wedding day. The plots against Sandhya involved taking advantage of her blindness to trick her into consumating w/ the other lead Neeraj, which didn't work out since she had a very good idea of everything around her. Things went bad, she found out and ultimately escaped, regained her eyesight and took down her inlaws.

To cut a long story short, near the end of the serial, Yuvraj and his family are arrested. He breaks free and runs into them, and in course of a fight, he falls from a cliff and dies. The matter ended there. He never got his due justice in terms of the marriage being annulled, which it should have been. Instead, Sandhya went on to marry Neeraj as his 'widow', which was a bit of a miscarriage of justice there.

One point that was made there was that that serial needlessly depicted eunuchs in a bad light, since the same story could have been written w/o making Yuvraj a eunuch. The other point made was that it seemed that eunuchs are outcasts and deserve no rights. Maybe they do, but that was totally tangential to the main story of that serial - a blind girl turning it around against her in-laws who killed her father and tried to cover it up, and then married the guy who originally loved her.

Similarly here, Viraj may have OCPD, but that seems tangential to the story, which is about DV. Actually, IMO, they've made a mess of it by mixing too many things here - domestic violence, OCPD and police corruption. In Sriti's interview that they published today, she tells people to speak out when they are being ill treated. Which is correct, but if one goes by this serial, then Jhanvi couldn't dare tell her family what she was actually going through, since Viraj was not only spying on her every moment, but also had the police and everyone paid off. This would give TV viewers the message to do exactly the opposite of what Sriti is suggesting. After all, if you know that the person you're going to confide in will get tortured or worse, why would you risk putting her through that? Normally, that's not something that people fear, and neither does this happen. But by making Viraj the closest Indian equivalent to a Soviet era KGB agent, they needlessly over-dramatized and complicated this.

So yeah, he may be suffering from OCPD, the police may be corrupt, but don't expect that to be meaningfully addressed in this serial, even if they were the ones that brought it in.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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VD is NOT a normal villain and has his own mental problems but cvs never showed any light on this matter, they just showed he fooled everryone including Jaanvi and doesnt want to get treated at any cost .Another thing NOT all the abuser are mentally ill.

If they included this mental illness then they must address this issue as well as it will injustice if they dont show about it as it will give wroung messege that ppl suffering with this type of illness are threat to everyone and eliminate at earliest. For many ppl a mad is mad , there is no difference between cunning pagal like VD and a normal pagal. And this bothers very much as non voilent mental patients also get s into same bracet as voilent ones. Sorry for being offtopic

Ya prime though i don't follow this show regularly anymore but any time still interested to see the justification from cv's reg viraj's mental disorders yes we know that he tortured jhanvi he needs to be punished and stuff that's fine but i mean something reg what made him do all this stuff 😕 when they claim the show to be Domestic Violence then why they afford to show the abuser having mental disorders ? they should have shown him a normal abuser because it does make a lot of difference and wouldn't that obvious any one suffering from mental disorder doesn't wants to get treated as at first they don't admit they have a problem and one needs to try alot to get them treated... couldn't get the logic when Dr K said though we tried but he wasn't ready to get treated if he didn't then will they leave ? 😕 is it the same case wid all ppl having mental disorders? even they don't want to get treated and try to escape but aren't they getting treated ? and yes i am not justifying viraj for his abuse but want to know the reason why he opted that way as cv's themselves added disorder to his character 😕 now if they want to show him get treated then its fine but root cause of his disorder for which he needs treatement needs to be focused as well 🥱
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Posted: 13 years ago
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The show may have started with the theme on OCPD and DV. There was huge publicity which attracted many women who want to see what the way to handle person who have OCPD or abusive behaviour. In India, 99% of the girls who are suffering because of OCPD or abusive husband are not rich. So there is no question of manipulating police and law. By showing Police and law as corrupted department, they are creating fear in viewers heart that no one in the country is trustworthy.

The OCPD or DV can be handled very well with a help of introducing a organisation who are dealing with these kind of people. After settling few things they can brought in a new man for the girl in the name of saviour or love. Instead they are trying to chase Viraj out of life with the help of violence. Nothing is different here. Do they want to beat the abusive husband with another man help? What is the different between Viraj and Jhanvi here? Both are doing the same in different way. Viraj uses his brain and power. Jhanvi uses Raghav as her brain and power. Two different kinds of DV.

Now CVs forgot about DV or OCPD. It became common fiction story without any specific message to society. Still i'm trying to find Cvs intention behind that fighting scene. Its seems to be filler part.

I don't think CVs will ever bring Viraj's past . Currently there is no one around him want to find the reason for his rude behaviour. Including his wife, all wants to eliminate him forever from their lives. Currently Viraj became a victim. Raghav without knowing about Viraj's illness using his muscle power to destroy Viraj.

These fighting scenes are to gather two actors fan base. The Cvs are currently focussing on TRP only. They are now targeting fans of KB and HC. CVs are not cared about DV or OCPD now. Who cares about society? It is always popularity and money matters most in any business.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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In India, 99% of the girls who are suffering because of OCPD or abusive husband are not rich. So there is no question of manipulating police and law. By showing Police and law as corrupted department, they are creating fear in viewers heart that no one in the country is trustworthy.


Yeah, Newt. This was a totally needless twist to the whole thing. There was no need to drag in police corruption here, b'cos normally, if a middle class couple have such an issue, the police will definitely not be bribed into not going after him.

A different issue is that a lot of police might be hesitant in intervening in domestic disputes, and had they shown that, it would have been a valid representation of what goes on for real. But showing Viraj getting a police guy like Unniyal to be his full time stooge is just too surreal.

The serial would have done well had it just dealt w/ DV, instead of being a nightmare for either KVB or HC fans at any point in time.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: mysticgoryfilms

This fight was definitely not what it was made out to be. I had a feeling this would happen because of the hype created. I was bored throughout, except for the last few minutes which I'll explain later.


First off, what the hell was Raghav doing? Fighting the goons with just one ninja air kick? He spins around with his foot and they get pushed to the ground? What. The. Hell.

This is one of the many reasons why Raghav makes me 🥱. What do the CVs think Raghav is? Salman Khan? That if he does all those "cool" and "Dabangg" action movies, the audience will swoon and sigh over how "macho" he is? Pathetic. I was one a major major MAJOR eye-roll session there.

Second, this is more hilarious, but I found Viraj slicing Raghav with his sword to be very slow. 😆 Maybe it was the bad execution but Viraj beating up Raghav was really slow. The sword slices, the punches. It was like everything was done in slow-motion, LOL.

I did like the last few minutes where both were punching and beating up each other. THAT was entertaining. The rest wasn't. The beginning had Raghav fighting the goons in some lame Dabangg action style, then Viraj having a one-sided fight and then Raghav having a one-sided fight. The last bit was entertaining and what I truly enjoyed since they both threw punches at each other.

The fight was nothing great. All that hype for nothing which SB is synonymous with these days. Makes me wonder if the "grand" twist they've been talking about will turn out to be nothing as well.

Also, this fight might just have paved the way for Viraj's defeat. Today we saw him knocked down, all bruised and bleeding. In the precap, we see him react to this knockdown. Raghav and Jhanvi remind him he's in a bit of a fix. Right now this is not a defeat, but a defeat might be coming. So how will this go forward? Will we slowly see some progression with this character? This is interesting and I'm curious to see how the CVs go with Viraj's character from here.

Reg the fight the less said its better as it was filmy and i somehow didn't like the idea of physical fight between viraj and raghav ... Reg Jhanvi's kasam if she is taking it back then what's the use of that kasam in first place doesn't make sense 😆 didn't go well wid giving and taking 🤣 after the fight i think they are back to their mission viraj finding proof to show jhanvi is married to him and raghav -sia collecting proof reg viraj abuse on jhanvi...most probably i think viraj will be exposed someway and as for Raghav-sia official marriage it doesn't make any difference for me as they are shown married already be it in fake way or whatever 🥱 i do agree that so called "grand twist" they have been talking abt might turn out to be nothing imp 😕
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Posted: 13 years ago
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The truth is that in India if you are rich like Viraj is, it is easy to dodge the laws.Yes he is in need of treatment but in most cases the law looks to the point if the abuser was in full senses while doing the act . Viraj knows exactly what he is doing and gets pleasure from it.In most cases there is no proof of abuse like in Jhanvis case.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: phil

Will Viraaj ever get cured ❓

Nope. I always nitpick on this. He can never be cured. Even if the writers had been consistent, done their research and not been all over the place. There is no "cure" for mental illness.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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^ He can get treated though which I hope to see.


Vrish, I didn't know about that and there is always a possibility of his illness being thrown out the window and whatever will happen to Viraj will happen without his treatment. But I hope that's not the case with this one. Every show doesn't have to be the same way. And Viraj's illness was planned even before the show started. So surely that connects to the story. The CVs did make it hard for themselves by bringing in both DV and OCPD however it isn't difficult to do justice to both.

These days they have made Viraj so villainy though. Which wasn't the case a few months back. He always was (and is, IMO) a negative character but they are really trying to make him villainy. I wished if/when Viraj got treated then we would have seen him moving on in his life as well and he can, possibly, truly love someone, but that will be difficult now. Especially because I think Viraj will still have to pay for his misdeeds after the treatment.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Except the macho flying kick i liked the complete fighting sequence...

And i m glad creatives did not just keep focusing on there faces and every single detail of expressions :D They did allow to play action more.

Other fighting stunts with the goons were good. N it wasnt very unbelievable because raghav is mechanic by profession, does a lot of physical work daily, have gunda types friends(means he was into figthings always) and this fight was important for him. he had no option to loose... raghav taking off his shirt and giving expression like "bus bahut ho gaya" and then hitting more stronger was also awesome.


But i was disappointed by the fact that viraj was no match to raghav's power. I tot CV's are avoiding to show man-o-man face off because they wanted us to keep a hold of who will win ? so when it will be coming finally, it would be like clash of titans...
but viraj was comparitivily weeker... he is only shown powerful with his dirty games. I wish they were both equally powerful...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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^ The rest of the action scenes with the goons was still a bit far from reality. But it wasn't as bad as the air kick. And I wouldn't even speak of the shirt-ripping moment. They tried to project him as Salman Khan there.

It was always obvious if/when Viraj and Raghav have a physical combat then Raghav will win. Ever since his entry he was shown doing his lame action moves on everyone without a single scratch on him. So him defeating Viraj physically in that fight sequence didn't come as a surprise for me. I expected it.

However, Viraj has always been shown more brains, less brawn. So again, it was obviously he would pale in comparison to Raghav physically. Whatever little mind games Raghav is playing with Viraj is through the help of Jhanvi, since she "supposedly" knows him the most. And that too, the mind games are sub-standard. It works because Viraj has been dumbed down for months now and we even witnessed a week where he was just foolish. That was never the case before.

In reality, like I've said before, defeating a person like Viraj mentally is very difficult. Especially because how intelligent the CVs made him in the beginning.

Which is why I didn't like the physical combat idea. It was obvious Raghav would win so I didn't see the need for this.
Edited by mysticgoryfilms - 13 years ago

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