Omkara Doth Protest Too Much!

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Mandy

@MrDarcyfan

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Posted: 8 years ago

There is a line, "The Lady Doth Protest too much". To hide what you're really feeling, you continuously deny the feelings you really have or pretend you have different ones. Here the gentleman is protesting too much, and I couldn't help but write something on it.

I have watched the last few episodes and have been thinking a bit about it. (The last 2-3 episodes were much much better). I know most of us have an opinion on how Omkara is acting. He came to Bareilly to save ChulBul and seeing Gauri was a shock to him. Real shock was registered on his face seeing her. He didn't even know how to react at first. Gauri looked like someone from an SLB movie, which created such an aura around her. (I liked that scene).

From the moment he saw Gauri, he started his tirade. I give him some liberty for that, coz he thought ALL this was happening to him coz he helped her. Now she is sitting pretty in KT's house waiting to marry him, and KT was in Mumbai getting revenge from Om and his family? For what? Taking Gauri away and making KT accidentally stab his brother. But why did all that happen in the first place? Because he helped Gauri to escape the mobs and KT.

Now comes the lines "I hate you". "I don't want to see your face" etc etc. Gauri hit the nail on the head when she said, "For someone you hate so much, you don't tire of talking about me!". She is right. It's not true he never wanted to see her face. Liar liar Om. You told ChulBul that your dying wish was to see Gauri again and talk to her about something. That you had "Something you wanted to say" to her. So what happened to all that? After the Bareilly marriage, a few times Om has thought of the marriage and of Gauri too. It's clear that in those moments his feelings were conflicted. He hates who he believes her to be, but he was never able to fully erase the memory or the impact of that incident. Even if it's a pretend marriage to save someone, that is NOT the sort of thing someone forgets. It haunted Om, and it's clear. The CV's were never good at showing the full impact of this decision on him. (Because they were too busy showing Mask Lana, and turning Tej from a gray character with flair to a dirty old man wanting to marry some younger woman for lust).

But now with Gauri in front of Om, everything is "confronting" him again, including any emotions he has around this connection he has with Gauri. Lke it or not, because of that one decision, they have a connection and he can't deny it. He hates her coz he thinks like Svetlana, she is willing to take the place of another woman in her home, by driving her away. (In this case, Thakurain killed herself). But his feelings are not as simple as "Hate". I think it's more like he is disappointed. Like he feels let down that Gauri IS what he thought her to be before. He has been proven right and I am not sure he is happy about that. Every time, he looks at Gauri it's like he is accusing her. Even in the Pooja scene, he was looking at her as if to say "How could you?". It's like he is expecting better from her but what he is getting is this! It's hard to explain, but Om's emotions are highly charged and highly involved. Whatever he says, it's not just about ChulBul. Now it's about Gauri too. His feelings for her are not as simple as plain hate and dislike for what she represents. He somehow takes her actions personally now. Too late Om, looks like your emotions got involved. Be careful. Kahi aisa na hojaye ke aap ke dil main, ap ki forced wife ke liye koi feelings na jaag jaye!

Thoughts and comments always welcome!

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 8 years ago

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sourmisery

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Posted: 8 years ago

This topic just reminds me of that line, "Nafrat bhi ek rishta hota hai..." For someone who claims to hate Gauri to the extent of not even wanting to see her face, Omkara for sure can't stay away from taunting her any chance he gets. I legit take Gauri's reaction at his hatred to be nothing short of iconic, "Aap Gauri se itni nafrat karte hain ke usske baare mein baat karne se thakte nahin.." He loves truth, right? That was one truth which struck him so hard that the weak leash on his temper just snapped.

I personally don't think he has anything but immense dislike/hatred for Gauri. Nor do I think that his last words for Gauri were going to be anything pleasant. But your thoughts just made me sad because there's so much fodder there for Omkara-Gauri that CVs just didn't dive into. Whatever happened in Bareilly wasn't a small thing. Sure, Omkara kept all the details secrets but how was it possible that he didn't ponder upon those incidents even to himself? He has all the legit right to not consider those rounds around the fire as actual pheras but why was he never once conflicted about the state in which he found Gauri when he saved her? Injured, bleeding, on the run...begging him to listen to her story and not the villagers; why did he never consider that image when he saw Gauri "Thakurain" as she claimed that she is agreeing to marry KT because he is now paying her what she wants.

I like to believe your assessment of Omkara being disappointed in Gauri. But again..it just makes me wish the CVs considered canonically backing it. The Gauri he met before the haveli, the Gauri he met at the haveli, the Gauri he met after the haveli, and the Gauri he is meeting now...all are so different from one another. But Omkara is always so wrapped up in his idea of what is right that he just doesn't see it.

I'm rambling God knows what now 😆 But let's see what happens now. When this hateful Gauri merges with the Chulbul who is currently Omkara's most special person...will Omkara then give a chance to Gauri's other versions that actually exist and aren't just a product of his own judgement? I seriously doubt that. Isske bheje mein baat sahi se ghusti nahin hai -_-

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loveangel94

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Posted: 8 years ago

Mandy actually rikara story is so boring that I can't even want to analyze what om think. Ne has been turned in to brainless guy and raging bull charge to anyone. Shivika and rumya love story are far better than this love story . Because atleast male lead and female lead had conflict of ideology . Male leads had certain thought process which did not approve female lead. Male leads have individuality.

Here only misunderstanding is prevailing nothing else. Om does not have brain, individuality. He is showed dumbest, weak and angry. Only one reaction is expected from him that is anger and disbelief. Cv had turned him and his love story both one dimensional.

This love story is ruined from start. Only chulKara friendship was the thing I like in bits and pieces.

Neither om has substance nor his love story. Rikara love Story is worse among all three brothers story.

I don't even get excited to see rikara in single frame.

Only shrenal acting and chemistry is good thing about this nothing else. Rahul dev entry has made episodes watchable because of performances.

I had wanted character growth and exploration of om in dbo at start. But sadly he is butchered too much .

I like your analysis. It showed may be there is old om alive but then I dont feel anything after watching scene except annoyance.

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@ChaiTeaWali

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Posted: 8 years ago

I'm getting the same vibes from Om.

The way he kept remembering and thinking of Gauri reminds me of the time Shivaay was disgusted with Anika thinking she slept with Daksh. He was so crushed and wanted it to be a lie. Om definitely feels a connection with Gauri, and seems like his heart is not ready to accept what his brain thinks is the truth. I think deep down he wishes to be proven wrong about Gauri.

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Mandy

@MrDarcyfan

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Posted: 8 years ago

@ Love Angel:

Yes I know what you mean. Just trying to get blood out of a stone here I guess! LOL

Your right there is no "conflict of ideology". All three bro's stories were supposed to be based on that. Om had it too with a liar girl who lived her life off lies and deciet. Whatever reason she did it for, she did it. He believes that truth is the right path. But even HE deviated from that once. But that was for his sister. Shivaay also did an apalling thing to save face for his family. So on many scores these men change their rules sometimes when it comes to their own families, even though the two instances are not the same.

As for RiKara story, yes their basic "Conflict" is that Om judges women in Gauri's situation through his own expreiences of having witnessed his Mother's life. His Mother suffered because of his father's philandering and wanting to leave her for another woman. Therefore his sympathy, his allegiance, his empathy will ALWAYS be with that woman who is being pushed out in favor of another. From the moment he met Thakurain, he was on HER side. So by default he was against Gauri. In his eyes no one is compelled to break another person's home, they choose to do so! THIS is the flaw. Gauri did what she did out of compuslion, but Om didnt want to see it, and neither did he have any desire to see it. He felt like he knows this story, and this woman. False. He knows his Mother's story and Svetlana. But not all stories are made equal. But when his Mother had tried to committ suicide, we cant expect him to use "Logic" in such situations. We rarely do. We always let "Prejudice" reign and that is what's happening here.

@ LostMyMusic:

The issue is without knowing the back story of Omkara, one cannot appreciate why and how he is like this. So while I understand your pessimism, I as someone who saw his journey before, can see why he thinks this way and why he is being so judgemental. However, despite this, he has some connection to Gauri that is irrevocable. That one incident where he saved her IS their irrevocable connection. He now has a right to "Question" her decisions, and her choices. "If you wanted to come back, then why did you leave?" VALID question.
What he is actually saying is "WHY did you put my life in this position with having a man like KT behind me, if all this was just another game to you?". He is within his rights to be bitter and I dont grudge him that.

But LoveAngle, you are right. A conflict of "Ideologies" is needed to take a love story forward with "Takkar". Rumya had it as well as Shivika. But now they are just going to get rid of that "Takkar" wali Rumya, and bring in some female SSO to give attitude to laid back Rudy? Like what even??? Makes no sense. What Takkar is there in that? That one is nice and the other is not? Where is the difference in ideology? Only Gul knows W*F she is doing with that. Same happens here. When this flimsy MU is cleared, what next? What happens when he finds out who CB is? I guess that is the interesting part now. Let's wait and watch. I won't pretend I don't like watching Kunal and Shrenu together as Om-Gauri. They both have a very strong screen presence that seems to transend the flimsy script. RD is superb. So between those three they have made the last few episodes immensly watchable. (At least for me). DBO's ranking has gone up again in Hotstar too. Probably couresty of the same thing. So if they continue to get some good performances from these three, the story will be watchable. But what is the "Story?" Only time will tell! LOL

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 8 years ago

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Mandy

@MrDarcyfan

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: -Ishqbaaaz-
I'm getting the same vibes from Om.

The way he kept remembering and thinking of Gauri reminds me of the time Shivaay was disgusted with Anika thinking she slept with Daksh. He was so crushed and wanted it to be a lie. Om definitely feels a connection with Gauri, and seems like his heart is not ready to accept what his brain thinks is the truth. I think deep down he wishes to be proven wrong about Gauri.

Agreed! Sometimes what we say in words is not what we actually feel. We spout venom but inside we hope to be proven wrong. (Though we don't even want to say it to ourselves). Shivaay MU with Annika coz of Daksh was awful. I can't believe he trusted that disgusting creep. The way he said all that? Like really? He knew A for months, how could he think she would do such a thing? It pissed me off.

Om doesn't know Gauri, so he assumed what he saw and then what he knows of his own personal experience and judged her. But after she ran away and he saved her, to now see her here AGAIN? This time he IS taking it personally, coz he paid a personal "Cost" for saving her.

One of my favorite scenes of Shivaay to date with Annika was when he accused her of sleeping with Daksh and said that he didn't know "Being Proven Right" would be so painful. That scene was fab, and Naakul nailed it. The drama quotient in those scenes? Superb. No wonder the ratings went up. Drama is always what makes a story interesting. In THIS case, coming back to Bareilly and seeing Gauri sitting pretty in KT's haveli as Thakurain in waiting was just a huge come down for Om. A reality check he was not ready to confront after everything he went through.

I think more than Gauri, he hates the fact that he is right about her. That she is like Svetlana.

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 8 years ago

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Orphic

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Posted: 8 years ago

In one of the initial episodes of IB, Omkara said 'Nafrat kabhi b akele itni gehri nahi hoti, yeh nafrat se b gehri cheez hai while talking about shivay's hatred for Anika. I was expecting same here like he was often remembering gauri after coming back from bareli. But inconsistencies in the storyline ruined the essence of the whole track, sometimes every single thing about chulbul reminded him about gauri and sometimes he even forgets who's gauri.

About Omkara's behaviour with gauri, even I like to believe he was hurdling accusing glances because he wasn't expecting such things from gauri now. But CVS are CVS after all, they will show what they wanna show.

So, for me more than character assassinations these are the inconsistencies in storyline that have made the show a mess.

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loveangel94

@loveangel94

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan
@ Love Angel:
Yes I know what you mean. Just trying to get blood out of a stone here I guess! LOL

Your right there is no "conflict of ideology". All three bro's stories were supposed to be based on that. Om had it too with a liar girl who lived her life off lies and deciet. Whatever reason she did it for, she did it. He believes that truth is the right path. But even HE deviated from that once. But that was for his sister. Shivaay also did an apalling thing to save face for his family. So on many scores these men change their rules sometimes when it comes to their own families, even though the two instances are not the same.

As for RiKara story, yes their basic "Conflict" is that Om judges women in Gauri's situation through his own expreiences of having witnessed his Mother's life. His Mother suffered because of his father's philandering and wanting to leave her for another woman. Therefore his sympathy, his allegiance, his empathy will ALWAYS be with that woman who is being pushed out in favor of another. From the moment he met Thakurain, he was on HER side. So by default he was against Gauri. In his eyes no one is compelled to break another person's home, they choose to do so! THIS is the flaw. Gauri did what she did out of compuslion, but Om didnt want to see it, and neither did he have any desire to see it. He felt like he knows this story, and this woman. False. He knows his Mother's story and Svetlana. But not all stories are made equal. But when his Mother had tried to committ suicide, we cant expect him to use "Logic" in such situations. We rarely do. We always let "Prejudice" reign and that is what's happening here.

@ LostMyMusic:

The issue is without knowing the back story of Omkara, one cannot appreciate why and how he is like this. So while I understand your pessimism, I as someone who saw his journey before, can see why he thinks this way and why he is being so judgemental. However, despite this, he has some connection to Gauri that is irrevocable. That one incident where he saved her IS their irrevocable connection. He now has a right to "Question" her decisions, and her choices. "If you wanted to come back, then why did you leave?" VALID question.
What he is actually saying is "WHY did you put my life in this position with having a man like KT behind me, if all this was just another game to you?". He is within his rights to be bitter and I dont grudge him that.

But LoveAngle, you are right. A conflict of "Ideologies" is needed to take a love story forward with "Takkar". Rumya had it as well as Shivika. But now they are just going to get rid of that "Takkar" wali Rumya, and bring in some female SSO to give attitude to laid back Rudy? Like what even??? Makes no sense. What Takkar is there in that? That one is nice and the other is not? Where is the difference in ideology? Only Gul knows W*F she is doing with that. Same happens here. When this flimsy MU is cleared, what next? What happens when he finds out who CB is? I guess that is the interesting part now. Let's wait and watch. I won't pretend I don't like watching Kunal and Shrenu together as Om-Gauri. They both have a very strong screen presence that seems to transend the flimsy script. RD is superb. So between those three they have made the last few episodes immensly watchable. (At least for me). DBO's ranking has gone up again in Hotstar too. Probably couresty of the same thing. So if they continue to get some good performances from these three, the story will be watchable. But what is the "Story?" Only time will tell! LOL

This is the reason why still watching and I have same question

About takkar thing I don't have any issue. Even if there is no takkar it's OK.

Problem for me Omkara characterization . For long time i tried to like dbo and new version of om but I failed.

For love story leads should have strong convincing characterization. Om ib characterization was good enough for love story. He was well defined.

He was human with positive traits and flaws. There were many aspects of his personality. Guilt, angst, love, pain, guilt, fun, trusting, perceptive, understanding, loving, protective .

But in dbo the only aspect define om is anger.

When lead character is made uninteresting , no matter whatever reason for his character , love story is always uninteresting .

For proper love story there should be proper characterization and story. Both are missing. If cv wanted to show changed om then they should have showed his lost faith in love. There was no need to change his basic characterization .

Already most of om fans stopped watching. There were days when we used to discuss a single scene of om in depth and used to complete at.

Nowdays whenever I visit I only discuss Om look hot , Kunal performance is so good... Other than that there is nothing much to say about . As nothing good is to discuss.

This shows that what wrong has been done.

Waiting for some miracle 😆

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Mandy

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Posted: 8 years ago

@ LoveAngle:

Agreed. Om looks Hot. Really Hot. Kunal's acting is good. Very good. Those are the only things we can agree on now, and the main reason why most of us IB fans are watching this show! LOL

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@ChaiTeaWali

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

Agreed! Sometimes what we say in words is not what we actually feel. We spout venom but inside we hope to be proven wrong. (Though we don't even want to say it to ourselves). Shivaay MU with Annika coz of Daksh was awful. I can't believe he trusted that disgusting creep. The way he said all that? Like really? He knew A for months, how could he think she would do such a thing? It pissed me off.

Agree as well. About ONS MU, yes it was awful. Daksh played his game well. It angered me as well to see Shivaay believe it but again Daksh played his game. It was hard for Shivaay dispute what his own eyes saw and his ears heard. Daksh had his shirt on the floor, he was changing next to Anika while Anika was making his bed. He told Anika I hope you slept well in my bed to which Anika agreed. And then the money, Daksh cleverly made it look like he himself was giving money to Anika. Shivaay's biggest mistake was not openly confronting Anika about it.

Om doesn't know Gauri, so he assumed what he saw and then what he knows of his own personal experience and judged her. But after she ran away and he saved her, to now see her here AGAIN? This time he IS taking it personally, coz he paid a personal "Cost" for saving her.

One of my favorite scenes of Shivaay to date with Annika was when he accused her of sleeping with Daksh and said that he didn't know "Being Proven Right" would be so painful. That scene was fab, and Naakul nailed it. The drama quotient in those scenes? Superb. No wonder the ratings went up. Drama is always what makes a story interesting. In THIS case, coming back to Bareilly and seeing Gauri sitting pretty in KT's haveli as Thakurain in waiting was just a huge come down for Om. A reality check he was not ready to confront after everything he went through.

Oh yes that scene was fab! His voice, facial expression and fingers pointing to his heart where he felt like he was stabbed.. everything about it was on point in that scene. I loved the part where he caressed her face whilst with a disgusted face, evidently mad at himself for falling for a girl who "betrayed" him. I still laugh though at his reaction to finding out about the "ONS". Like seriously? He was getting married to someone else, yet jatao-ing his haq on another girl and expecting her to stay a virgin for him 🤣 Even if money wasnt involved in that MU, Shivaay would have still had the same reaction. This guy is just pagal 🤪

The scene where Gauri comes in front of Om as Thakurain was shot so well too. You're right, it really did look like a scene out of a SLB movie 😆 😆

I think more than Gauri, he hates the fact that he is right about her. That she is like Svetlana.

Yeah same here. He keeps saying he hates her and doesn't want to see her face.. but I feel like he's just mad he can't stop thinking about her despite the fact to him she is another Svet.

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