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shikhar agarwal

@Shikhoo

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Posted: 17 years ago

#11

the biggest proof for rajat being prc are his awards telly......

Awards

Best Child Actor - Star Parivar Awards (2007)
Best Yogya Jodi - Star Parivar Awards (2007); along with Mugdha Chapekar, his co-actor in Prithviraj Chauhan
Best Child Actor - Gold Awards (2007)
Best child actor - Indian telly awards (2007)
Best Actor (Popular) - Indian Television Academy Awards (2007)

what to say of general public..even critices supported and appreciated rajt work in prathvi raj chuhan...... as playing the charater of prathivi rajat earned a long fan following... esecillay girls......... when rajat got best actor award for prc..the sahansha of bollywood mr.amithabh bachhan clapped to all hs might to show how much he apprecaited his work in prathvi raj chuahan.....

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Aisha

@thornewood9

Dazzler

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Posted: 17 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: inderjit cute

hi everyone

this all true tht coz of rajat superb performed as prc we all came 2 knw abt 1 of super historical king

n this prc character suited him more than veer character coz rajat performed this character by his soul.......

to be contniue

har har mahadev

Point 1: Rajat played a historical character which was a challenge
Point 2: His performance encouraged young children towards History
Point 3: In Generators opinion the PRC role suited Rajat more than Veer's character because he acted that part with his soul.

REBUTTAL

Point 1: There is no question that playing a historical character is a challenge especially for a person of such a yong age as Rajat was when he played PRC but truth be told Veer is a more complex character than PRC. This can be realised by the fact that through the course of PRC the character of Prithvi Raj Chauhan does not undergo any great change in his character. PRC is always the strong, faithful, responsible and dutiful character throughout the drama that he was at the beginning. There is no profound turning point where PRC has to face emotional and mental upheaval.
Veer on the other hand is faced with many greater problems than PRC many of which cause him to undergo a change both mental and emotional. The realisation that his people may be treating the Shramiks with injustice is the beginning of this turning point and when the truth of his birth that he is not just a Shramik but indeed the MESSIAH of the Shramik helps to encourage this change in his character from Easy going, not very worried about affairs outside his own life and fun-loving to a more serious, mature and ultimately heroic character.
A character that develops and grows and changes for the better after great turmoil and having to face his own inner demons is by far the stronger and more complex character.
It is true that Rajat has had to play a greater challenge in portraying Veer than he had to portray with PRC because Veer's character goes through a wider range of emotins and personal challenges than the character of PRC did.

Point 2: This point is indeed noble however it does not address the question of the role of PRC being better suited to Rajat as an actor. I believe Veer's character is better suited to an actor of Rajats calibre because it gives him the freedom to experiment and therefore grow as an actor due to the fact that Veer has many challenging facets of his character that need to be portrayed to the audience throughout the drama. Veer's character therefore is better able in developing Rajat's ability to act and take it to a higher level than it was when he played PRC.

Point 3: Again this point does not address the question of the role of PRC being better suited to Rajat as an actor. From comparing the two characters we can see that Rajat has increased greatly in his acting skills but this is shown because Veer's character is the more challenging of the two. A more challenging character will enable a greater development in an actor's ability to portray emotion on screen and so reach an audience.

Aisha xxx😉

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Aisha

@thornewood9

Dazzler

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Posted: 17 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: generator

prathivi raj chuahan is the best human chracter god has ever made.....

he is very caring ,very strong and very very brave.....

now my worthy opponent wud say that thr=ese characteristices are also present in veer...but

veer is quit arrogant......when he was a rajkumar he was ready to kill masiha ...shramiks suffering AND THEIR aajadi were of no value..

raj-singhasan par baidhne se paehle main us masihe ko khatm kar doonga...

at that time he saw no wrong and right he was in ruling position...so every thing else is quite useless...

and when now he is with shramik ......he don't care abt aaryavrat....

when a shramik said sare aaryveta isise hi hote hain...

no word came out of his mouth.......

in this conclusion which ever side he belong to is raght.........no matter who is in opponant.....the brother who was ready to leave throne for him and the mother who showed him the world....

prathivi's confidece in his freinds was unsakable ...........

every body tried sam dam dund ved to create misunderstanding among them but no matter it was samar singh or any body else....prathivi's freind were always with him and will always with him.........

prathivi's love for his father is completely unquestionable...

he searched all means and ways to save his father but..........

aaryavardan who was always like father for him .at apoint of time....he was not ableto understand his father's majboori and even he hitted his father with sword...

veer never respected his teacher ]...even dharam tried to convince him but he showed no respact towards his teacher till last day in guruvidya aasham......

but prathivi.........

respected and believed his teacher more than anything else.......

prathvi raj cahuhan was a man of words ,,,,,,,,,,,vo apne vachan ke liye apni jaan ki bhi baji lagane se nahi darta.........

itna bari barkam chracter nibhna rajat then a 11 year old kid..ke liye behad muskil tha...par usne jee jaan laga di...

aur waqt ye hai ki rajat ka doosra naam prathvi hai

in the era of saas and bahu serails...rajat was able to leave an influece on growing genration of young indians........that was completelu admirable......

so rajat as prc was too good........

HAR HAR MAHADEV................

Point 1: Prc's character has better characteristics than Veer's character (Veer is selfish and arrogant)
Point 2: Veer's stance has changed now that he has realised that he is a Shramik so this proves he is not as great a character as PRC.
Point 3: Prithvis Friendship was stronger than Veer's (Veer left his brother for Shramiks)
Point 4: Prithvi is truer in his love to his father (Veer turned his back on Aryavardhan)
Point 5: Veer showed no respect to his teacher until the end of his time at the Gurukul. (Prithvi was always respectful)
Point 6: Prithvi always kept his word
Point 7: Rajat portrayed PRC wonderfully and in doing so inspired many people.

REBUTTAL

Point 1: Veers character was more arrogant than PRCs and to a point yes was more selfish HOWEVER Veers character changes from selfish and arrogant to being deeper thinking and more responsible. A change in a characters thinking and actions shows greater development and so would mean a greater challenge for the actor portraying the character. As PRCs character undergoes no great change his character was not as complex as Veers and so although for Rajats young age would have been a challenge to play would not have been as challenging as Veers character. It takes an actor a great deal of hard work and is indeed extremely challenging to their acting ability when the character they are playing has to undergo great change. Indeed the greater character is the one who realises that they were flawed in some way and changes for the better.

Point 2: Veer is shown to be undergoing a change in way of thinking about the Aryavarths. Instead of lessening his character this is actually enhancing it for the better. Veer was selfish in the fact that he only thought of himself and his family but when he is put into a more challenging situation and indeed circumstances have forced him to see the situation from the point of view of the other side (the shramiks) he has changed into thinking of not just himself but his people and the common man.
This change in thinking would be extremely hard for anyone but for someone who has lost their position in a high status this is even more difficult and challenging. It shows strength of character and a will of steel as well as an innate sense of Good. Veer's character is willing to stand against Injustice and makes Veer all the more greater and admirable because he is willing to stand against his own family if they are the ones who are initiating this Injustice. Most people facing such a turmoil would deny that any problem exists and continue to live as they were living before. It takes a greater man to realise that he was supporting Injustice unknowingly and now wishes to stand AGAINST that injustice.

Point 3: Veer left his brother for Shramiks and so his Friendship is not as strong as PRCs. Actually it shows how strong Veer is in character if he will stand against Injustice after realising that his own brother is the cause of this Injustice. Veer is standing against the one he loves to ensure that the Shramik receive their Rights and will be treated fairly by the Ruling Government (The King) This shows a stronger Moral Fibre than in PRCs character and a greater sense of Moral Values (Good V Evil) PRC was never put in such a situation so overall Veer's character from this assessment is the stronger of the two.

Point 4: Prithvi is truer in love to his father because Veer turned his back on Aravardhan for the Shramik and to save Dharam even harmed him. Actually this shows the Great Love Veer has for Dharam and the fact that he stood against his Father for the Sake of Justice makes him a greater character and person than PRC. Prithvis father was never Injust intentionally or unintentionally unlike Aryavardhan who was Injust unintentionally. Prithvi was never in a situation where he had to stand against his father due to the Greater Good. This again shows that Veers character has the greater change and experiances a more challenging turning point than PRCs character.

Point 5: Veer showed no respect to his teacher until the end of his time at the Gurukul. (Prithvi was always respectful) Veer believed that Laws that are Injust and those who stand for these Laws are both useless and weak. This way of thinking shows how strongly he views Good over ruling Evil or Wrong doing. It shows that he has a high set of moral values and therefore a more respectable and admirable character. Also his change in thinking towards his teacher shows again a stronger character than PRCs because PRC never challenged the views of his teacher or elders but Veer did. Veer is not being disrespectful instead he sees the person who is Injust as not worthy of respect and this feeling is correct. Injust people should not be respected because they are committing great Wrongs against the common folk. The ability of a character to challenge views of another, of questioning whether an individuals views are right or wrong shows Moral Fibre and an innate sense of Justice and Goodness. PRC was never in a situation where he had to question the thinking or views of his elders and so did not undergo a greater development in character and thinking than Veer.

Point 6: Prithvi always kept his word. Veer also keeps his word. But this point is irrelevant in ascertaining whether PRCs role is better suited to Rajats ability as an actor. This is a characteristic of the character and does not show acting ability.

Point 7: Rajat portrayed PRC wonderfully and in doing so inspired many people. Again this is irrelevant in showing better acting ability.

In conclusion Veers character has a greater range of emotions and undergoes a change in thinking and in actions and so for an actor would be a more challenging and fulfilling role to play than PRCs character. Rajat would be greater challenged than when he played PRC because Veers character changes throughout the drama for the better and so would need an actor of great acting ability to portray this change convincingly and accurately to the audience which he does accomplish with great achievement.

Aisha xxx😉

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Aisha

@thornewood9

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 17 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: generator

the biggest proof for rajat being prc are his awards telly......

Awards

Best Child Actor - Star Parivar Awards (2007)
Best Yogya Jodi - Star Parivar Awards (2007); along with Mugdha Chapekar, his co-actor in Prithviraj Chauhan
Best Child Actor - Gold Awards (2007)
Best child actor - Indian telly awards (2007)
Best Actor (Popular) - Indian Television Academy Awards (2007)
what to say of general public..even critices supported and appreciated rajt work in prathvi raj chuhan...... as playing the charater of prathivi rajat earned a long fan following... esecillay girls......... when rajat got best actor award for prc..the sahansha of bollywood mr.amithabh bachhan clapped to all hs might to show how much he apprecaited his work in prathvi raj chuahan.....

It is true that Rajat received more awards playing PRC than Veer HOWEVER it also cannot be denied from what we are now seeing on screen that Rajats acting ability has bettered and developed a great deal and this is mostly due to the complex character of Veer.
Prcs character did not undergo many dilemnas or challenging emotional turmoil unlike Veer's character. It is far more difficult to act emotional turmoil than it is doing physical stunts. Veer's character is definitely the more complex and challenging of the two. And the fact that this wonderful stunning development of Rajats acting ability through playing Veer's character has not yet been recognised is a travesty.
There is no denying that PRC was a great character for Rajat to start out with but Rajat has developed more as an actor for the better in playing Veers character than he did playing PRCs character. For an actor of such a high calibre as Rajat it would have been a tragedy if he had not moved onto Veer. PRC was not challenging Rajat enough and Veer's character has done just that and now it can be said with complete fairness that Rajat is better suited as an actor to playing Veer's character instead of PRCs character.

Aisha xxx😉

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Poonam Jayaswal

@Poonamjayaswal

Dazzler

Posted: 17 years ago

#15

HAR HAR MAHADEV!!!!!!!!

Veer is very rude to Shera & he doesn't want to understand her majboori that she is born & brought in a dakoo family that's why she is forced to earn her livelihood by robbing innocent people.😭

whereas Prithviraj loved Sanyogita very much then also when he got to know that she is not rajkumari Nandini but she is daughter of his biggest enemy Jaichand!!!Prithvi loved Sanyo so much that he was ready to leave singhasan of Delhi which was his only but Jaichand wanted that throne by hook or by trook Prithvi was ready to sacrifice his life for Sanyo!!!!

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inderjit

@inderjit cute

Inactive

Posted: 17 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: generator

the biggest proof for rajat being prc are his awards telly......

Awards

Best Child Actor - Star Parivar Awards (2007)
Best Yogya Jodi - Star Parivar Awards (2007); along with Mugdha Chapekar, his co-actor in Prithviraj Chauhan
Best Child Actor - Gold Awards (2007)
Best child actor - Indian telly awards (2007)
Best Actor (Popular) - Indian Television Academy Awards (2007)
what to say of general public..even critices supported and appreciated rajt work in prathvi raj chuhan...... as playing the charater of prathivi rajat earned a long fan following... esecillay girls......... when rajat got best actor award for prc..the sahansha of bollywood mr.amithabh bachhan clapped to all hs might to show how much he apprecaited his work in prathvi raj chuahan.....

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Anandamayee

@AY_candy_luver

Dazzler

Posted: 17 years ago

#17

Okay, my turn. Well done Aisha! Tum to muh tod javaab de rahi ho!

I'll read it later......let me give it a try. This is entirely my opinion.

Many people say that Veer's charectar isn't as charming as PRC's, and this leads to a lot of people prefering PRC to Veer. But a few have looked closely at the two charectars and compared them.

PRC was a great king. He was everything a parent wanted in a son, a sister wanted in her brother, a community wanted in their king, a lover wanted in her Romeo, and much more. PRC's charectar was always the same, there was no drastic change. Of course, he got more mature with age, but that happens with everyone. PRC wasn't a challenging charectar to play, but it wasn't an easy one either. It got kids, teenagers, adults, everyone interested in history. He also got quite a few awards for acting as Prithvi.It was a great start role for Rajat, and I'm sure he enjoyed it thoroughly.

Veer is cute, naughty and bubbly. He may not be the perfect prince, but he's a perfect human. With a heart of gold and twinkling eyes, he can get affection from anyone. He can wipe your tears with one of his silly pranks. He can make you feel special just by flashing that smile.

But lately, that part of Veer has been hidden away somewhere. Veer has become serious, more mature, and thoughtful. He has left all his riches, his foster mother, and above all, his brother. It has been hard for Veer, and he hasn't been accepted by all the Shramiks. Due to this change, Veer's charectar has changed drastically. Veer has moved on in the serial, and the sudden change must have been very difficult for Rajat to act out.

Now, let's compare the two charectars.

PRC:

Pros

1. Interested a lot of people in history.

3. Prithvi's charectar was better than Veer's.

4. Rajat got quite a few awards playing this charectar.

Cons:

1. Role wasn't as challenging as Veer's.

2. PRC's charectar didn't change at all, so it was somewhat the same thing every day.

3. Rajat was always considered a child actor when playing Prithvi's role.

4. Prithvi always got advice from his father or mother, whereas, Veer did everything his own way, not knowing whether it was right or wrong.

Veer:

Pros:

1. Veer's charectar is more challenging than PRC's.

2 .Veer is not perfect. He will break rules if he feels he should, he will go against anyone if thinks it's right, and he will fall in love with any daku, or outcast, or whoever he likes. Veer is more independent.

3. Veer has two different sides to him, whereas PRC was whole and complete.

4. Rajat's acting as Veer is more confident, thus the result that comes out is better.

Cons:

1. Rajat hasn't won any awards for his acting as Veer (BUT, NDTV imagine doesn't have it's own award show like SPA)

2. DharamVeer has no history background, it is completely fictional.

3. Veer's charectar isn't as good as PRC's (BUT, Veer is still learning a lot about life, whereas PRC always knew a lot about life).

Aaah!

My brain is hurting!

Aisha u take over from here.

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uighyuihui

@starpisces123

Voyager

Posted: 17 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: Poonamjayaswal
HAR HAR MAHADEV!!!!!!!!

Veer is very rude to Shera & he doesn't want to understand her majboori that she is born & brought in a dakoo family that's why she is forced to earn her livelihood by robbing innocent people.😭

whereas Prithviraj loved Sanyogita very much then also when he got to know that she is not rajkumari Nandini but she is daughter of his biggest enemy Jaichand!!!Prithvi loved Sanyo so much that he was ready to leave singhasan of Delhi which was his only but Jaichand wanted that throne by hook or by trook Prithvi was ready to sacrifice his life for Sanyo!!!!

veer loves shera so thats why he is angry towards her
when we love someone and if he/she lies to us then obviously we get angry towards them
aur haan hum sirf unse naraaz hote hai zissa hum sabse zyada pyar karte hai!!!!

@aisha good going dear...keep it up

Edited by starpisces123 - 17 years ago

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Aisha

@thornewood9

Dazzler

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Posted: 17 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: Poonamjayaswal
HAR HAR MAHADEV!!!!!!!!

Veer is very rude to Shera & he doesn't want to understand her majboori that she is born & brought in a dakoo family that's why she is forced to earn her livelihood by robbing innocent people.😭

whereas Prithviraj loved Sanyogita very much then also when he got to know that she is not rajkumari Nandini but she is daughter of his biggest enemy Jaichand!!!Prithvi loved Sanyo so much that he was ready to leave singhasan of Delhi which was his only but Jaichand wanted that throne by hook or by trook Prithvi was ready to sacrifice his life for Sanyo!!!!

Yes BUT Sanyogita is a completely different character to Shera.
Shera is a Dakoo, She was a negative character in the beginning and she too gradually changed when she realised that Veer was right in his thinking about her.
Sanyogita is a Princess she knows nothing much about the real world she is very innocent and naive. She has always been in a positive role.
In some ways Sheras character is more realistic because we can relate to Shera as she is not Royalty but an average person. Yes she is a Dakoo but her change in thinking as also lead her into becoming a stronger character worthy of Veers regard and able to compliment him.
As for Veer his ability to love Shera but hate her actions once again shows a strength of character not seen in Prithvis character.
Veers moral values do not allow him to throw aside Sheras sins in blindness. He loves her yes but he cannot condone her actions.
Only a strong minded person could stand against the one they love when the know that the person is committing a Wrong.
This Shera incident has further lead Veer into great emotional turmoil and denial of his love for her.
It shows how strong his innate sense of Goodness is that he is not willing to pardon her crimes just because he loves her.
Veer is torn between his love for Shera and his hatred for her actions. And ultimately his refusal to accept Sheras actions is a triumph of his moral values.
Any lesser person would probably forgive Shera but only a strong person can look objectively at what she has done and refuse t acknowledge it until she herself acknowledges her Wrong doing.
This shows a will of steel and strength of character.
He is experiancing betrayal at realising who she is, anger at her actions, desperation because he loves her despite this, frustration because although he loves her he cannot accept her wrong doing because it goes against his own core values. This leads to depression because he cannot stop loving her despite what she did which leads to denial. He is now denying that he loves her at all because he cannot handle the pain of her betrayal or the fact that he loves someone who has not lived up to his moral values.
However this denial is confronted by the further actions of Shera which show that she IS a Good person despite having committed many Bad things. This leads to confusion because Veer sees everything as black and white and Shera is definitely NOT black and white in her actions. This confusion leads to even MORE turmoil that means greater emotional upheaval and an indication of a very strong minded individual.
So many emotions in one character and Rajat portrays all emotions wonderfully.
Prithvi was not confronted with such a difficult situation and therefore cannot be said to be a more complex character than Veer.
In conclusion again we can say that Rajat is better suited to Veers character as an actor as it has developed his acting skills to an amazingly high standard. Something that the character of Prithvi could not have done.

Aisha xxx😉

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Aisha

@thornewood9

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 17 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: rajatnmughda4ev
Okay, my turn. Well done Aisha! Tum to muh tod javaab de rahi ho!
I'll read it later......let me give it a try. This is entirely my opinion.

Many people say that Veer's charectar isn't as charming as PRC's, and this leads to a lot of people prefering PRC to Veer. But a few have looked closely at the two charectars and compared them.

PRC was a great king. He was everything a parent wanted in a son, a sister wanted in her brother, a community wanted in their king, a lover wanted in her Romeo, and much more. PRC's charectar was always the same, there was no drastic change. Of course, he got more mature with age, but that happens with everyone. PRC wasn't a challenging charectar to play, but it wasn't an easy one either. It got kids, teenagers, adults, everyone interested in history. He also got quite a few awards for acting as Prithvi.It was a great start role for Rajat, and I'm sure he enjoyed it thoroughly.

Veer is cute, naughty and bubbly. He may not be the perfect prince, but he's a perfect human. With a heart of gold and twinkling eyes, he can get affection from anyone. He can wipe your tears with one of his silly pranks. He can make you feel special just by flashing that smile.

But lately, that part of Veer has been hidden away somewhere. Veer has become serious, more mature, and thoughtful. He has left all his riches, his foster mother, and above all, his brother. It has been hard for Veer, and he hasn't been accepted by all the Shramiks. Due to this change, Veer's charectar has changed drastically. Veer has moved on in the serial, and the sudden change must have been very difficult for Rajat to act out.

Now, let's compare the two charectars.

PRC:

Pros

1. Interested a lot of people in history.

3. Prithvi's charectar was better than Veer's.

4. Rajat got quite a few awards playing this charectar.

Cons:

1. Role wasn't as challenging as Veer's.

2. PRC's charectar didn't change at all, so it was somewhat the same thing every day.

3. Rajat was always considered a child actor when playing Prithvi's role.

4. Prithvi always got advice from his father or mother, whereas, Veer did everything his own way, not knowing whether it was right or wrong.

Veer:

Pros:

1. Veer's charectar is more challenging than PRC's.

2 .Veer is not perfect. He will break rules if he feels he should, he will go against anyone if thinks it's right, and he will fall in love with any daku, or outcast, or whoever he likes. Veer is more independent.

3. Veer has two different sides to him, whereas PRC was whole and complete.

4. Rajat's acting as Veer is more confident, thus the result that comes out is better.

Cons:

1. Rajat hasn't won any awards for his acting as Veer (BUT, NDTV imagine doesn't have it's own award show like SPA)

2. DharamVeer has no history background, it is completely fictional.

3. Veer's charectar isn't as good as PRC's (BUT, Veer is still learning a lot about life, whereas PRC always knew a lot about life).

Aaah!

My brain is hurting!

Aisha u take over from here.

😆 Take over what?
Tum nay saab kuch keh diya!!!😉👏
WONDERFUL!!!!

Aisha xxx👏😉

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