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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: rsnarula67

Ho Ho, interesting convo going on here ...

Not so knowlegeable me wants to put in her two pence worth ...
The thing is that in terms of Vishnu Lakshmi, I do not reall any story with a happy ending ... at least not in the conventional sense. In any case "happy ending" is not really the main thrust of these stories. Each story is meant to teach us something - as Kaatayani rightly pointed out. But more often than not we tend to get embroiled just in the literal story (it's more fun that way, I admit). In the case of the legends of Shiv Shakti ... these are the stories that truly lends itself to "rose tinted glasses" ... and of course with MR as Mahadev ... what can I say ...😳
With regard to the current track - UN is working his way somewhere in such a convoluted manner that I guess we lose not only the story but even the teaching behind it. Thankfully most of us have some idea of the actual stories and what we don't know can be googled, so I guess UN will not have an effect on our "manasthithi"😆 what say? Or do you guys think we will need Dr.Psycho..


@ Bold : YES !.. i think we all have learned our lessons there..its foolish to let the likes of UN into our mind for obvious reasons..its not a "mythological' show as much as it is a "fictional" show with due respect to the writer's 'creativity'.. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: kaatayani



this is why i have big issue in trusting Puraans.. and their authors.. i never understand their POV for Gods.. i found Shiva stalking Mohini equally appalling considering tht He is considered to be model husband and all that.. i am simply happy to take them as stories and see a bigger point for example as Vishnu violated Vrinda he was cursed.. of all our mythological gods Vihnu as we say crudely is "Rangeen" or rather he has been portrayed thus...

as regards to this particular individual's views.. well i am surprised that this person believes tht DKDM ends with Tulsi track😲 for that matter it is not hard to see tht Tulsi is mere a subsidiary inclusive track in the greater story of Lohitang



@ Bold & Underlined.. for some reason that was never such a problem for me..bcoz i think Mahadev's 100 % pure/chaste image is the result of our modern Indian hypocratic mentality.. now we have reached a stage where we brush some of the important attributes of our own gods under the carpet owing to our victorianized mentality..i remember when i first joined IF ( i joined it for DKDM) i did bring up this aspect of Mahadev in "current track discussion" thread & as expected, this topic did not go down very well with few members of the forum..they jumped into Mahadev's defence saying Mahadev is known as "AdiYogi" & not "AdiBhogi"..😆..and i was just left startled looking at the sorry state of Modern Indian Mentality..we now attribute everything that is perceived "obscene" to the influence of "western culture" when the opposite is actually true.. our modern "hypocracy" is the after effect of the Victorian influence..why do people often forget that Shiv-Shakthi are both regarded as the supreme male & female sexuality..yes, sex & sexuality too is a huge huge part of Shiv-Shakthi.. in fact there are several stories that highlight this aspect of Shiv-Shakthi..while Mahadev is worshipped as the phallic symbol "Lingam" , Mother Goddess too is worshipped in the form of "Yoni".. in fact the temple of Kamakhya Devi celebrates the life sustaining force 'menstruation' of the Goddess..but now a days these are just too explicit for our modern Indian mentality to deal with , we would rather not talk about it..

About Mahadev, y do people often forget that Shiva has an extreme dual nature.. while on the one hand he can burn Kamdev with his third eye,on the other hand, there is no one except Parvati ( & err..Vishnu) who can stand or satisfy his immense sexual vigor..there is a reason why he is considered as an epitome of masculinity & worshipped as a Lingam..but we would rather not think about it & be more content with various intellectual interpretations ( which are equally true BTW ) of the Lingam & Yoni concept..

Now comes the question of, if a person like me is completely OK with such interpretations, y do I have a problem with Narayan's multiple rasleelas & affairs ?.. well the answer is, its not really just the rasleela that i m not that fond of, it is actually Narayan's 'rangeela' ( natkhat, mysterious) character that does not go down very well with me..& if u really think about it, Narayan never had any extra -marital affair per se since all of his consort's are considered as Lakshmi's incarnation in some way or the other ..& all that trickery for the greater good is ofcourse a very noble deed but i just do not feel that good about it..and this is where our "Bholenath" takes the cake..i like Shiva's straightforward nature..when he is angry, he is angry for a reason & when he is benevolent , there too is no limit..i like such crystal clear nature..it makes easier for me to trust this God..
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Posted: 11 years ago
this place buzzing with some serious discussion here my VM to lighten up have a look😳

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: kaatayani



this is why i have big issue in trusting Puraans.. and their authors.. i never understand their POV for Gods.. i found Shiva stalking Mohini equally appalling considering tht He is considered to be model husband and all that.. i am simply happy to take them as stories and see a bigger point for example as Vishnu violated Vrinda he was cursed.. of all our mythological gods Vihnu as we say crudely is "Rangeen" or rather he has been portrayed thus...

as regards to this particular individual's views.. well i am surprised that this person believes tht DKDM ends with Tulsi track😲 for that matter it is not hard to see tht Tulsi is mere a subsidiary inclusive track in the greater story of Lohitang

hey, i know it well that the last few episodes will be based on lohitang's part entirely but that story is also a part of this track only. what's wrong here , i just wanted the tulsi-part to end in september coz among the three[lohitang,nigasth and shankhchud, ]shankhchud is going to die f first. and regarding vrinda, she was the purvjanm of tulsi.it means har janm mein vishnu unke saath...horrible...i sometimes think even some earthly people are more loyal [keeping the srishti ka kalyaan aside].

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Quixotic5


@ Bold & Underlined.. for some reason that was never such a problem for me..bcoz i think Mahadev's 100 % pure/chaste image is the result of our modern Indian hypocratic mentality.. now we have reached a stage where we brush some of the important attributes of our own gods under the carpet owing to our victorianized mentality..i remember when i first joined IF ( i joined it for DKDM) i did bring up this aspect of Mahadev in "current track discussion" thread & as expected, this topic did not go down very well with few members of the forum..they jumped into Mahadev's defence saying Mahadev is known as "AdiYogi" & not "AdiBhogi"..😆..and i was just left startled looking at the sorry state of Modern Indian Mentality..we now attribute everything that is perceived "obscene" to the influence of "western culture" when the opposite is actually true.. our modern "hypocracy" is the after effect of the Victorian influence..why do people often forget that Shiv-Shakthi are both regarded as the supreme male & female sexuality..yes, sex & sexuality too is a huge huge part of Shiv-Shakthi.. in fact there are several stories that highlight this aspect of Shiv-Shakthi..while Mahadev is worshipped as the phallic symbol "Lingam" , Mother Goddess too is worshipped in the form of "Yoni".. in fact the temple of Kamakhya Devi celebrates the life sustaining force 'menstruation' of the Goddess..but now a days these are just too explicit for our modern Indian mentality to deal with , we would rather not talk about it..

About Mahadev, y do people often forget that Shiva has an extreme dual nature.. while on the one hand he can burn Kamdev with his third eye,on the other hand, there is no one except Parvati ( & err..Vishnu) who can stand or satisfy his immense sexual vigor..there is a reason why he is considered as an epitome of masculinity & worshipped as a Lingam..but we would rather not think about it & be more content with various intellectual interpretations ( which are equally true BTW ) of the Lingam & Yoni concept..

Now comes the question of, if a person like me is completely OK with such interpretations, y do I have a problem with Narayan's multiple rasleelas & affairs ?.. well the answer is, its not really just the rasleela that i m not that fond of, it is actually Narayan's 'rangeela' ( natkhat, mysterious) character that does not go down very well with me..& if u really think about it, Narayan never had any extra -marital affair per se since all of his consort's are considered as Lakshmi's incarnation in some way or the other ..& all that trickery for the greater good is ofcourse a very noble deed but i just do not feel that good about it..and this is where our "Bholenath" takes the cake..i like Shiva's straightforward nature..when he is angry, he is angry for a reason & when he is benevolent , there too is no limit..i like such crystal clear nature..it makes easier for me to trust this God..


long explanation and i will agree with all of it if I look forth the Puranic Shiva... no doubt i don't trust the Puraans
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Posted: 11 years ago

hahahaaa.. i never deny that i am peculiar..!!😆😆😆 bTw you omitted to answer question in bold...!! we will be fascinated to hear about your idea of Happy Ending
ok, for me,happy ending means an end which is decent and not offensive. the lohitang mahakali mahadev part is superb. but the tulsi story is very obscenic and indecent.keeping the srishti ka kalyan aside,lord vishnu had actually committed adultery, rape, bigamy by marrying for the second time,, which i can't tolerate being a law student. he did injustice to devi lakshmi in this way, who actually had no fault but had to bear a co-wife. these acts of vishnuji to be shown, although it will be a whitewashed version, will lead to character assassination[not for actual vishnuji, who actually did it , but srj's image]. therefore i find this story as improper to be the last one. AM I WRONG❓


my dear.. there is something that is called alteration... you find Tulsi story obscene.. so was Vrinda's and Vishnu.. and DKDM found a middle path to show tht story.. wth Lakshmi herself granting permission to Vishnu..

and being a law student i really expect you to understand that wat shown on TV and wat s written in scriptures are completely different.. for tht matter DKDM has been a show where the makers a way to balance all the religious beliefs.. they don't go on to show superiority of one deity over other but a theory interdependce with the value of justifiable use of powers within their spheres..

and most basic thing is that you are speculating even before Vishnu has woken up from yog nidra.. ehn also being a law student i expect certain understanding that how the Purans were written.. i am sure if you wud have seen cases of blasphemy they do delve into the arguments of historical backgrounds of the puranas.. since you being a law student different versions of one stories shud actually make you restless to know the truth...

and as far as your last question as to be tht whether you are wrong.. then i think u might have noticed that Tulsi's story is not the end of this track... and if tht;s what yu feel.. then you might have not paid attention to the show at all
looks like you believe in everything which dkdm shows ,. actually dkdm is very kind that it always shows the whitewashed versions of the original stories. coz this is a family show. fine, atleast i can expect a clean version and explanation for that act. atleast i won't get hurt . kaatayani, i have nothing against you, but surely some questions for lord vishnu. i wish i could ask him directly.
Edited by aparupanath - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: rsnarula67

Ho Ho, interesting convo going on here ...

Not so knowlegeable me wants to put in her two pence worth ...
The thing is that in terms of Vishnu Lakshmi, I do not reall any story with a happy ending ... at least not in the conventional sense. In any case "happy ending" is not really the main thrust of these stories. Each story is meant to teach us something - as Kaatayani rightly pointed out. But more often than not we tend to get embroiled just in the literal story (it's more fun that way, I admit). In the case of the legends of Shiv Shakti ... these are the stories that truly lends itself to "rose tinted glasses" ... and of course with MR as Mahadev ... what can I say ...😳
With regard to the current track - UN is working his way somewhere in such a convoluted manner that I guess we lose not only the story but even the teaching behind it. Thankfully most of us have some idea of the actual stories and what we don't know can be googled, so I guess UN will not have an effect on our "manasthithi"😆 what say? Or do you guys think we will need Dr.Psycho..

well, i know about some stories of lakshmi vishnu which are quite recent , but as it is a mahadev show , i don't expect it to be shown at this point.but in the lakshmibalaji story, mahadev and gang had also roles to play but ofcourse, cameo. lets end the discussion,i believe in dkdm but UN ka kabhi kabhi brain jam ho jaata hai.😉 lohitang is just stealing the show, brilliant performance by mohit raina.⭐️
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Posted: 11 years ago

@ Bold & Underlined.. for some reason that was never such a problem for me..bcoz i think Mahadev's 100 % pure/chaste image is the result of our modern Indian hypocratic mentality.. now we have reached a stage where we brush some of the important attributes of our own gods under the carpet owing to our victorianized mentality..i remember when i first joined IF ( i joined it for DKDM) i did bring up this aspect of Mahadev in "current track discussion" thread & as expected, this topic did not go down very well with few members of the forum..they jumped into Mahadev's defence saying Mahadev is known as "AdiYogi" & not "AdiBhogi"..😆..and i was just left startled looking at the sorry state of Modern Indian Mentality..we now attribute everything that is perceived "obscene" to the influence of "western culture" when the opposite is actually true.. our modern "hypocracy" is the after effect of the Victorian influence..why do people often forget that Shiv-Shakthi are both regarded as the supreme male & female sexuality..yes, sex & sexuality too is a huge huge part of Shiv-Shakthi.. in fact there are several stories that highlight this aspect of Shiv-Shakthi..while Mahadev is worshipped as the phallic symbol "Lingam" , Mother Goddess too is worshipped in the form of "Yoni".. in fact the temple of Kamakhya Devi celebrates the life sustaining force 'menstruation' of the Goddess..but now a days these are just too explicit for our modern Indian mentality to deal with , we would rather not talk about it..

About Mahadev, y do people often forget that Shiva has an extreme dual nature.. while on the one hand he can burn Kamdev with his third eye,on the other hand, there is no one except Parvati ( & err..Vishnu) who can stand or satisfy his immense sexual vigor..there is a reason why he is considered as an epitome of masculinity & worshipped as a Lingam..but we would rather not think about it & be more content with various intellectual interpretations ( which are equally true BTW ) of the Lingam & Yoni concept..

Now comes the question of, if a person like me is completely OK with such interpretations, y do I have a problem with Narayan's multiple rasleelas & affairs ?.. well the answer is, its not really just the rasleela that i m not that fond of, it is actually Narayan's 'rangeela' ( natkhat, mysterious) character that does not go down very well with me..& if u really think about it, Narayan never had any extra -marital affair per se since all of his consort's are considered as Lakshmi's incarnation in some way or the other ..& all that trickery for the greater good is ofcourse a very noble deed but i just do not feel that good about it..and this is where our "Bholenath" takes the cake..i like Shiva's straightforward nature..when he is angry, he is angry for a reason & when he is benevolent , there too is no limit..i like such crystal clear nature..it makes easier for me to trust this God..
😲 I think this is one of the reason, our culture observes and accepts lord shiva as an ideal husband and not lord vishnu , though both mata lakshmi and mata parvati are considered and adored as ideal wives. in our hindu culture, the bride and the bridegroom are considered as lakshminarayan during the ceremonies. but when it comes to the selection of a suitable husband, everyone wants a husband like lord shiva. but in case of boys,they want a wife like either mata lakshmi or parvati😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
😲 in some scriptures, tulsi is said to be an incarnation of mata lakshmi , while in some others,she to mentioned to be someone else. that''s why i am confused. moreover, dkdm is also showing her to be different and not a lakshmi-avtar. so my confusion and anger reached its peak. in the lakshmi puja handbook, it is mentioned that tulsi is a name of devi lakshmi. also i wonder,if she is not devi lakshmi,then why the shaligram shilas are named as----lakshminarayan, lakshmijanardan,lakshminarasimha,etc.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Guys, enough!!!! We cannot have fights here or the threads will be closed!!! As far as I know, Mahadev and Narayan are everything and anything, they are sagun and nirgun so we cannot attribute them to one virtue as stated in Bhagvad Gita and Srmiad Bhagvatam!!!

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