31st Jul WU Ahilya is free from curse - Page 2

Originally posted by: mnx12

@Angie, Ma Gauri did bless Sita, before going for the Yagya, as per what I've read. So seeing Paravti coming to meet her was good. Her presence indicates Sita's worship will be successful.

Ram, Lakshman should be shown walking fast, afterall without Ram this yagya will not be compelete.😆

When Ram said, it was wrong on rishi Gautam's part to do injustice with his wife. I want to hear what this Ram will say when he sends Sita out of Ayodhya.

Originally posted by: misti73

Thanks Meenakshi. Hopefully I am writing the correct spelling of your name.

@Angie- I was chuckling reading your thought regarding Ram's and Sita's speed while reaching Ganga. Here is another Geography lesson for you...while flowing through UP and Bihar Ganga does meander a lot. Now Ram is walking from Ayodhya which is on the banks of Saryu a left tributary of Ganga. Mithila is Nepal...and Ganga does flow through Patna which is not that far from Indo-Nepal border.I checked the map to confirm that Ayodhya is to the North west of Patna ( 😳😆). Thanks for the Geography lesson. But you checked the map!!!😃 So all of this needed some research. CVs seem to be teaching some of us more than mythology. At least my geography is improving. So it is possible for Ram and his group to move east towards Patna, they might not be at Patna but somewhere to the west of it on the banks of Ganga. Coming to Sita she will have to walk down south to reach the banks of Ganga somehwere near Patna. This is based on the current map of Ganga. Now if this ashram is close to Mithila...then its a long walk for both. Its also not necessary that both of them are exactly opposite to each other on the two backs of Ganga..they can be far apart but still can sense each others presence...they are the human incarnations of Vishnu and Laxmi so they can sense through long distances...also the course of Ganga has changed over ages...so they might not have to walk that much. Now the other factor is that this entire sequence has been orchestrated by Mahadev...with the help of Gauri (who sends Sita to get water from Ganga)...Ganga (whose role is to make sure that Ram and Sita should sense each other's presence)...and Vishawamitra (to bring Ram to the banks of Ganga), so anything can happen😉.

Misti, I did not have problems with telepathy session nor did I expect them to be right opposite to each other. After all, they are going to have a lot of telepathy sessions when Raavan kidnaps Sita and takes her to Lanka. If they can have telepathic connection across the vast ocean while living in two different countries, then this is just peanuts. I was just worried that Ram would not be able to reach Mithila in time if he just kept up with that speed. Along the way, he is stopping to listen to Bhagirath tales (couldn't Kausalya have told him that story of ancestors while putting him to sleep as a kid) and then rescuing Ahiliya. So he needed to hurry up. That's all I wanted to see - a warrior's walk rather than a night-time stroll after dinner. But thank God, he did not have Mahadev as a buddy today and rather it was Lakshman who was his confidant. Lakshman is getting major ignoring from everyone.

As for Ram walking slowly and Sita walking fast..how about relativity of time? Ram walking slowly is not actually him walking slowly ... This is the end of my todays lesson to you.😳😉...

Misti, you are the brilliant physicist. So even if you tell me something totally made up, I would accept it. So I accept this theory about relativity of time. Is Ram now Keanu Reeves of Matrix ? Another thing just occurred to me. This Ram can multiply and fly too. So I guess when he wastes enough time with strolling, he can always fly to Mithila holding Vishwamitra in one hand and Lakshman in another. Come to think of it, he doesn't need to hold Vishwamitra either. Vishwamitra has enough powers to fly by himself. Didn't he try to send Trishanku to heaven by flight only to be partially thwarted by Indra.

Now coming to the scene...I liked how they showed Ram and Sita sensing each others presence. Like you I also liked Sita arranging for the puja and then going and telling Rajah Janak. She knew that he won't refuse her...so why waste time. I also liked the exchange of flowers between Gauri and Sita.😉 Pooja was looking very pretty without any makeup. Yes to all of this. I like this Sita who is used to doing things her way even though she gives enough respect to the father. But she does know her indulgent father. Where is Urmila by the way? Sita was quite close to Urmila, but Urmila is nowhere to be seen in this puja. Sita should not abandon Urmila just because she has got Gauri as a new found friend.

Now coming to the first of the Panch Kanyaas...Ahilya. I always feel bad reading her story. She suffered a lot and I also view her story as you view her...Ram gave her back her respect in society. It is a contrast to what happened with Sita later on. You did make an interesting point that from this it seems that Ram was better as a price than as a king. Wonder what brought this change in him...is it because he got caught up with living upto people's expectations that he ended up doing injustice to his own wife? Like Meeakshi I will also like to listen to his explanantion when Sita will be sent out of Ayodhya.

Yes, a lot of injustice was done to Ahiliya. I always felt that she was forsaken by the society and lived like a stone in isolation. Ram gave her dignity back and made her husband realize that a rape victim should not be blamed. But still she lost precious years of youth because of a hypocritical society.

You know I have always tried to think of an explanation for Ram's behavior. He was such an idealist in his youth. Did idealism change to being imprisoned in an image? Did he allow Sita to suffer because he put people ahead of Sita. But still one in power (especially one as influential as Ram) needed to change the society rather than conform to it. Did he lose that pure idealism along the way? I have read different versions here. Kalidas has shown a flawed Ram for whom his image came first. But then Kalidas was only writing Raghuvansh and showing dynasty and its story was his purpose. He was not writing love story. In his Shakuntalam, he did make excuses for Dushyant's character by showing a curse for him. Dushyant in Mahabharat was not an admirable character. He knowingly used Shakuntala and abandoned her. He only brought her back when he needed a worthy heir. But coming back to Ram, some have shown him as putting his subjects' interest first by making sure that people respected his decisions. Some have shown it as a joint decision between him and Sita about her going to jungle. I am curious to see after today's dialogues about Gautam writing on justice and then denying that to his wife. Maybe they will show regret and remorse on Ram's part or maybe they will excuse his behavior by showing circumstances. Once I was having this discussion with my friends. One of the person in the group joked that Ram became a typical politician after becoming the king. He took the poll of people and decided to take the action that brought him the best ratings.

Originally posted by: ekta-avinafan

thanks for the written update 😃😃

Angie ,Nice point about strolling at night after dinner 😉😉 and Misti ,You left my head spinning in geography lesson .Although I somewhat got what you tried to say but you made so many circles to reach that 😳😳 .

Ekta, Misti creating circles??😆 I thought CVs do that. Misti usually is great in pointing out the circles rather than creating them herself. I guess this is my fault. She was just trying to give me some much needed geography lessons.

Coming to the serious point of injustice/justice to sita by Ram .

Angie ,there is another story I have read or saw I don't know. Acc to that ,Ram changing his attire had gone to that washerman's house and even got to know about the thoughts and viewpoints of people .But when he came back ,He was tensed which was viewed by sita.

Then she sent her servant/detective as to know the truth and after knowing the truth ,she with Ram had decided this - to leave ayodhya .I'm not excusing this decision of Ram but yes that was mutual decision.

When asked by luv or kush (I don't remember .Most probably it was kush when luv had stopped the ashwamegh yagya horse) about this decision and injustice to sita ,What Ram had said was - Being a Head of family ,You take care of your house members children ,wife and all but being a king ,You have to keep your progeny above your family . Or in one way you can say he took her for granted .Yes I never liked this bcoz He didn't do justice to Sita ,a part of that progeny(praja) .

When same kind of problem was arised after Sita left (or problem was made up by someone for bringing Sita) ,He was ready to do justice to that woman .

But to say a politician is not right .A politician looks for ratings for his own sake in one way,for his own jai jaikar where as it was not same with Ram .

Ekta, you are right. There are several interpretations and I like to think that it was a joint decision rather than one sided decision on Ram's part where he left her unknowingly in jungle all pregnant and alone.

The politician part was a joke and not meant to offend anyone. We were just joking about modern day politicians who make decisions depending on polling.

But idealistic people and some who start looking for the society or greater good do end up doing injustice to their own family members. For example, Gautam Buddha did injustice to his own wife Yasodhara and son Rahul. Lakshman too made Urmila suffer because of his devotion and loyalty to Ram. There are numerous other such examples where great people have made somebody closest to them suffer because they wanted to take care of a larger section of the society. Ram as a prince was free of obligations and hence probably did more great things than he did as a King when he had more power. There is mention of Luv/Kush being angry at him for the treatment that was given to their mother Sita.

Originally posted by: Angie12