Jalandhar is not a villain/ DT Nt pg 11

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Dear Kadamvari,

That is my recollection too, and the first hymn in the Rig Veda is to Ushas, the goddess of the dawn, who heralds the arrival of the Sun God.

The Vedas are said to be from a period when the worshippers were a pastoral people, or so anthropologists have it, and so all their gods were said to be linked to the forces of nature: Surya, Agni, Vayu, and Indra with his thunder.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Kadamvari
as far i remember according to Rig Ved the supreme deity is The Sun neither Shiv nor Vishnu

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sucheta

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Posted: 12 years ago

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As far as I remember, the vedic age itself is divided in 2 stages. Early vedic age where we see prominence of deties representing natural forces like usha, savita, indra, varun. This was the tym when the aryans were mainly pastorals and they invoked n appeased the nature fr the welfare of their crops.
The present trinity comes in the later vedic age. The functions of nature gods were somewhere merged in them. This phase marks the establishment of mahajanapadas, nagars, writing of upnishads n purans

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Today, both Utkarsh and his star were in top form . Mohit outdid himself,but so did the writer, for no actor can do so well without a screenplay to both inspire and support him, and such splendid lines.

The contrast between his two avatars was blinding: the serene benevolence and the remote majesty of Mahadev at Kailash with Nandi and the ganapreths in one frame - the noble visage so still and gentle. And in the very next frame, his alter ego- the hard lines of his face masking the secret rage of one pushed beyond endurance by sneers and taunts even from the Rishis, his eagle eyes barely veiling his dangerous intentions.

As I wrote earlier, for Mohit, and for Utkarsh, it is not Mahadev but Jalandhar who is the real challenge - a fierce and untameable force that goes irretrievably wrong and dooms himself, in what should be an epic tragedy of what might have been.

Today they set the stage for his crossover to the dark side with great skill; the vicious insults from Parasurama and later, the only slightly less stinging ones from Rishi Markandeya (I thought he was to be always 16? He looks more like 60 here) would have enraged a saint, and he is no saint, is Jalandhar. They all seemed determined to bring out the worst in him.

Mohit brought out every mood and shade incredibly well. The impatience at having to listen to one more paean in praise of Mahadev conveyed effortlessly as he tosses his head in barely concealed contempt. The surging irritation at being constantly given respect only because he is a shivansh. The veiled rage when Parasurama insults him. But then too, and later, when Rishi Markandeya does not spare him either, the steely determination to stay the course and get the information he wants no matter how distasteful the process of getting it is for him. The secret triumph in his eyes as he exults in his discovery of the path to what he wants, as a dismayed Vrinda and Shukracharya look on helplessly. And again, the same fierce joy that seems to light him up from inside, as he immerses himself in the jalasamadhi.

In toto, a very rich display of controlled strength as an actor. Very, very impressive.

Now, I only hope that Jalandhar does not fall to the depths of harboring indecent feelings for Parvati when he, disguised as Adiyogi, sees her for the first time in the cave.That would really be too much to take; I very much hope they will spare him that indignity.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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panchaali

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Such an wonderful post

You explored deeper into Jalandhar...such a good analysis...

I got some similarities between Jalandhar and Karna...both are heroic,they are justified in their own way...but both meets a tragic end.

and you sadi right jalandhar is not a villain...

only some people's pov made him villain...

he is actually a grey character

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

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What a lovely name - Panchaali! My all time favourite woman from the epics.

Thank you, my dear, I am very pleased that you liked my opening post so much. Do take a look at my one above on today's (Monday's) episode and see if you are with me on that.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: panchaali
Such an wonderful post

You explored deeper into Jalandhar...such a good analysis...

I got some similarities between Jalandhar and Karna...both are heroic,they are justified in their own way...but both meets a tragic end.

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panchaali

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: sashashyam
What a lovely name - Panchaali! My all time favourite woman from the epics.

Thank you, my dear, I am very pleased that you liked my opening post so much. Do take a look at my one above on today's (Monday's) episode and see if you are with me on that.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Where is your other post?

My name is actually Payel

Panchaali/ Draupadi is my favourite chacter too 😊

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panchaali

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Posted: 12 years ago

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And if the Vrinda story is going to develop as in the puranas, Narayan's deceit would be the worst of all. It is no use excusing it saying that he was defending dharma. Mahatma Gandhi would have been categoric on this; one cannot defend dharma thru adharmicactions, and what Vishnu is said to have done with Vrinda is inexcusable.

To revert, why does Devi Lakshmi not announce her kinship with Jalandhar to him as soon as she stops Narayan from using the sudharshan chakra on him, as requested by Indra? If she had done that, it would have made a huge difference to his blind hatred of thedevas.

Nor is Mahadev free of blame for what Jalandhar has become. Having let Indra off for the cold blooded murder of Trishira, an ascetic engaged in tapas, it is Mahadev who gives birth to Jalandhar, so to speak. Why then does he not take any responsibility for his offspring? Why does he not punish Indra for murdering Jalandhar's mother? What does he mean when he declares that he will be responsible for all of Jalandhar's actions, good or bad? One does not see him doing anything to demonstrate this sense of responsibility.

Quoting these three parts...as i felt these are one of the best analysis 😊

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panchaali

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Now, I only hope that Jalandhar does not fall to the depths of harboring indecent feelings for Parvati when he, disguised as Adiyogi, sees her for the first time in the cave.That would really be too much to take; I very much hope they will spare him that indignity.

Yes I too feel the same about that part...

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Rumjhum Laha

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Posted: 12 years ago

#79

in scripture its written that jalandhar lustd for parvati..and that track was very much needed for this present day context of rape and degrading women
that even if u r part of mahadev and trilokadhipati ur lust is reason of your destruction
and even vishnu couldn't escape after being a god from the sin of breakin vrinda's chastity

but the way this story is proceeding they won't show

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sucheta

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Shyama mam as u said tht jalandhar is an untamed energy going towards his doom, so its possible tht he harbors ill feelings fr Parvati n the makers wud show it as any thing done against Shakti brings Shiva into direct n activ conflict wid J.
I feel mahadev is still dormant vis a vis jalandhar.
I wud hav loved Jalandhar's interaction wid Dadhichi (had he been alive), coz he wud hav truly xplained J shivatwa!