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Posted: 13 years ago
maybe he didnt-but if you look at it from a story tellers point of view-having a villian who is doing everything other than make life hell or toruble the leads-is of no use🤣
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Vrish-yeah actually Indra was much evil than some of the asurs at least...but he escaped because he was a Devta-looks like partiality existed in those times as well!
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: shruti.nil

@Vrish-yeah actually Indra was much evil than some of the asurs at least...but he escaped because he was a Devta-looks like partiality existed in those times as well!





I think the whole concept of "evil" in Hindu mythology is very complex. It isn't black and white at all. Gods do "evil" things...demons to "good" things...I like the complexity


Edited by narangi_77 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I just hate how these demons are demonized 😈


As I pointed out in another thread, Indra was far more evil. The asuras did their conquests exactly as the devas wanted to and did when they were powerful. Vishnu, for somewhat unconvincing reasons, chose to support them even when they were in the wrong.

Tarakasura was a Shiva bhakt, and had they gone w/ the Surapadman version of this, Surapadman & Simhamukha ended up as vehicles of Mahakali and Kartikeya - they were made immortal. If they were as evil as depicted, why would Mahadev or Kartikeya give them such blessings?

In fact, w/ the exception of Prahlad, Virochan and Bali, all the asuras and rakshashas were Shiva bhakts. Even Bali's son Banasura switched from Vishnu to Shiva on account of the way his father was deceived by Vamana. In fact, the list of demons killed by Mahadev or Durga or Kartikeya are few in number - Tarakasura, the Tripura demons, Mahishashur, Bhimasura... Anyone recall any others?

I actually want to see how the Tripura story is shown, if they choose to show it. Essentially, it was Tarakasura's sons who lived in 3 different cities that were always skewed, and which were perfectly aligned in a straight line once in ____ years (as usual, I forget the number), and Shiva was approached to destroy those cities simultaneously on such an occasion. But I am curious - what exactly was the egregious thing they did that caused Mahadev to destroy them?



Actually when devatas go and ask mahadev to destroy the tripuras he refuses and says that they are doing nothing wrong. In fact all the asurs in tripuras were very well versed in vedic way of life and were conducting all activities according to vaidik dharm.

then devatas plotted with vishnu, He took an avatar of buddha and deluded the asurs into giving up vedic way of life and taking up non vedic way of life. then they became deluded and started doing very bad things.

then mahadev consented for their destruction. i dont know whether this story is a later addition to discredit buddhism.

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krishna
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Posted: 13 years ago
Mahadev was pretty fair. It was Narayan who tended to be partial to the devas. I think Shruti is correct - it was more based on their outward appearances. 🤔

Essentially, the devas were monopolists. They couldn't tolerate any rival power centers - be it asuras/rakshashas or human. Like the way they killed Virochan or the Tripuras, or tried sabotaging the yagnas of Sagar and Raghu. It's a wonder that Indra didn't try pulling the same stunts on Rama or Yudhisthir. Rama would have smoked him, while Krishna would have sliced and diced him had he tried. 😈

Had the devas been under the oversight of the FTC in the US, they'd have been branded as monopolists abusing their power, and been forced to pay stiff fines and serve jail time. 😆

The Buddhist angle above seems strange. On one hand, Buddha being another avatar of Vishnu seems another addition to the Buddhist angle of the above story. But if Vishnu was an avatar of Buddha, why would he acquiesce in the asuras being massacred when they were following him?
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Posted: 13 years ago
The beauty of Mahadev lies in the fact that he treated everyone Devas and Devtas in the same manner-like you said Narayan was slightly biased towards the Devtas,Mahadev on the other had gave rewards to both devtas and Asurs-i guess thats why is is called Mahadev beacuse he was impartial and treated everyone equally!
Even in terms of worshipping Mahadev-just the simple words of "Om Naham Shivah" are enough for him!
@Krishna-what story i have read about the Tripura incident its not Buddha who does it-please correct me if im wrong,but VishnuJi creates two learned men,who propogate atheism and are against the worship of God,they even manage to get Narad Muni follow that path,due to which all the Asurs give up worship of God and become atheists-that is when they stopped the worship of ShivJi and thats one of the reasons he got so angry with them and attacked Tripura!
and as per what i have read,VishnuJi told those two men to come back in Kalyuga and propogate Atheism
and by what is happening right now-isnt it sooo awesum...not being an atheist i mean😆...that things that were written years ago are becoming true now!
@Vrish-Yeah the Devtas like Monopoly-in real time they are like the Goverment🤣...dont you think so...atleast the Indian Government where they keep certain sections of the inducstires under thier control,favorism to thier "own"-infact you can be "Indras" everywhere in our political scenario!'i dont know if you have read Devdut Patnaiks interpretation of Indian Scriptures-he uses them to explain corporate behaviour etc-if you haven't they are a must read...our scriptures actually have many corporate concepts that we follow today!
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Posted: 13 years ago
^^^ You are correct in your interpretation. Actually, as far as the Monopoly goes, I was thinking about all the court battles happening over tablet and phone patents b/w various tech companies - Google, Apple, Microsoft, Nokia, Samsung, HTC, and so on. There is a mess of a war out there w/ each company trying to be like Indra and get the FTC/courts (Mahadev) to ban their competitors from the market. So that ultimately, everybody has the simple, glorious choice of 1.

The Indian government example that you provided is true as well.

The above story seems to suggest that if it is very easy to please Mahadev w/ 'Om Namah Shivaya', it's just as easy to incur his wrath by refusing to worship him. But I have a hard time believing the latter about Mahadev. Chances are more likely that he just went w/ Vishnu's judgement on that. But why Vishnu chose to do this just baffles me.

If they do show Tripura (the first time I saw an ACK w/ the title Tripura, I thought they were talking about the state 😆), it'll be interesting to see what they show. Given that that story ain't well known, expect some more defamation of asuras, since they are likely to try to rationalize Mahadev destroying them.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: shruti.nil

The beauty of Mahadev lies in the fact that he treated everyone Devas and Devtas in the same manner-like you said Narayan was slightly biased towards the Devtas,Mahadev on the other had gave rewards to both devtas and Asurs-i guess thats why is is called Mahadev beacuse he was impartial and treated everyone equally!

Even in terms of worshipping Mahadev-just the simple words of "Om Naham Shivah" are enough for him!
@Krishna-what story i have read about the Tripura incident its not Buddha who does it-please correct me if im wrong,but VishnuJi creates two learned men,who propogate atheism and are against the worship of God,they even manage to get Narad Muni follow that path,due to which all the Asurs give up worship of God and become atheists-that is when they stopped the worship of ShivJi and thats one of the reasons he got so angry with them and attacked Tripura!
and as per what i have read,VishnuJi told those two men to come back in Kalyuga and propogate Atheism
and by what is happening right now-isnt it sooo awesum...not being an atheist i mean😆...that things that were written years ago are becoming true now!
@Vrish-Yeah the Devtas like Monopoly-in real time they are like the Goverment🤣...dont you think so...atleast the Indian Government where they keep certain sections of the inducstires under thier control,favorism to thier "own"-infact you can be "Indras" everywhere in our political scenario!'i dont know if you have read Devdut Patnaiks interpretation of Indian Scriptures-he uses them to explain corporate behaviour etc-if you haven't they are a must read...our scriptures actually have many corporate concepts that we follow today!

so vishnu gave orders to two men to spread atheism..am really shocked to read this!!😲🤓
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Reshma-the spread of athesism was by VishnuJi was only to make the Asurs weaker-the instant they stopped worshipping God,they werent that powerful!-thats another interpretation of that story...And once the Asurs beacame weak they could be attacked!
One of the primary reasons why the Asuras were strong was beacuse however bad they were they worshipped ShivJi!...
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Posted: 13 years ago
I am really sorry but its disappointing to see all the knowledgable ppl who have read so many religious text cannot decipher the symbolism behind them..
Vishu or shiv are just physical manifestation of eternal supreme consciousness..even in many religious of all religion let it be hindu , islamic or christian it is an established truth that god is shapless energy of consciousness...all the story have message to be conveyed to humanity and thats why we have physical representation og god because otherwise it will to philospical to be understood by common people..

For eg shiv parvati ..is union of atma with parmatma...and penance parvati undergoes signifies the end of vices associated by possesion of body by soul..
Comparing vishu and shiv is really hurting..when we all noe its just a physical represention and god is one ..genderless conscious
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