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shruti

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Posted: 13 years ago

#551

@Vrish...many versions said that he did have a consort...ive read an actual scripture of the Samdra Manthan and that says "Uma" a term used for both Parvati and Sati...Sati existed during Satyayug...but was she there for Samudra Manthan?...Parvati had already arrived in Tretayug-where she disguised as Sita to test Ram...

hmm...thats something to ponder on!

i wanted to know since the Samudra Manthan is a a very important event in Shivas leelas...

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Vrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#552

Originally posted by: shruti.nil
@Vrish...many versions said that he did have a consort...ive read an actual scripture of the Samdra Manthan and that says "Uma" a term used for both Parvati and Sati...Sati existed during Satyayug...but was she there for Samudra Manthan?...Parvati had already arrived in Tretayug-where she disguised as Sita to test Ram...
hmm...thats something to ponder on!
i wanted to know since the Samudra Manthan is a a very important event in Shivas leelas...

I don't know about the above story about testing Rama, but in Uttarkand, where they describe the history of Ravana, Vali and Hanuman, they mention how Ravana had lifted Kailash and Parvati was the one nervous, so Shiva pressed on the mountain and Ravan was suddenly overburdened by the weight of Mt Kailash. So yeah, Parvati was definitely there throughout the Treta Yuga.

What is unclear is whether Parvati or Sati was the one there for the Samudra Manthan.

Edited by .Vrish. - 13 years ago

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mnx12

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Posted: 13 years ago

#553

Where does Tarakasur live? He is generally shown sitting in a place without roof, is this supposed to be Patal-loka?

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Vrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#554

^^^^ Was he a ruler of pataal? I thought that after his boon, he went on to conquer Devalok. If one goes by the Southern recensions that have Surapadman and Simhamukha, after they got their boons, they overran Amrapali and enslaved the Devas.

That's actually a howler in this serial. If Tarakasura has already received Brahma's boon that only Shiva's son can kill him, then what is he still doing wherever he is? In the original, once these demons - Ravana, Tarakasura, Hiranyakashipu, et al got their boons, they lost no time in trashing the devas and seizing their kingdoms, or subjugating them. Here, they're showing the Devas merrily enjoying, but the Devas were a miserable lot when Tarakasura got his boons, which is why they risked Kamadeva in getting Shiva distracted towards Parvati.

I missed last few episodes - is Vritra still alive, or did Indra manage to kill him? If he's dead, then showing Dadichi alive is a major howler.

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mnx12

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Posted: 13 years ago

#555

^^^Vritrasur is stll alive but he has lost his power to change forms, he was telling Tarakasura, now for many years he will have to do penance to get that power back. So he must be back to penance.

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reima

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Posted: 13 years ago

#556

Originally posted by: shruti.nil
@Vrish...many versions said that he did have a consort...ive read an actual scripture of the Samdra Manthan and that says "Uma" a term used for both Parvati and Sati...Sati existed during Satyayug...but was she there for Samudra Manthan?...Parvati had already arrived in Tretayug-where she disguised as Sita to test Ram...
hmm...thats something to ponder on!

i wanted to know since the Samudra Manthan is a a very important event in Shivas leelas...

this sotry about Paravti taking on Sita's form is in Tulsidas' Ramayana- but is it in Valmiki's Ramayan? In Tulsi das's Ramayan it is mentioned Sati takes the form- but then it is historically at odds with the Yuga- as Sati was in Satya Yuga- very confusing; I thin it must have been Sati during the Amrit Manthan- as if you notice, Shivji doe snot have blue throat or he also does not have the Ganges though he mentions he is going to place Ganges on his head- so maybe these are all coming- sati and Shivji spent many years in a happy married life and there were many philosphical discussions and tracts that came out of their discussions as well as interactions- hence I hope CVs do nto end Sati;s story so very quickly.

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Vrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#557

No, in Valmiki Ramayan, there is no such story

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shruti

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Posted: 13 years ago

#558

@Vrish..ive read that story in the Shiva puran,and in the Shiva puran its stated as one of the follies sati commited!

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varaali

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Posted: 13 years ago

#559

Originally posted by: reima

this sotry about Paravti taking on Sita's form is in Tulsidas' Ramayana- but is it in Valmiki's Ramayan? In Tulsi das's Ramayan it is mentioned Sati takes the form- but then it is historically at odds with the Yuga- as Sati was in Satya Yuga- very confusing; I thin it must have been Sati during the Amrit Manthan- as if you notice, Shivji doe snot have blue throat or he also does not have the Ganges though he mentions he is going to place Ganges on his head- so maybe these are all coming- sati and Shivji spent many years in a happy married life and there were many philosphical discussions and tracts that came out of their discussions as well as interactions- hence I hope CVs do nto end Sati;s story so very quickly.

You are right- it's very confusing. The story about Sati taking Sita's form is only in RCM- not in VR . It is true that shiva- Sati lived in the Satya yuga while Ramayan happened in the Treta Yug. Now the question naturally arises how could the two events overlap. The explanation is somewhat like this :In every Kalpa, each of the four Yugas come into existence. Once the Kali Yuga ends, there is total dissolution and once again a new Kalpa begins with the Satya / Krita yuga.

So there have been several Kalpas before the time we are currently in. Once the present Kali Yuga ends, a new Kalpa will begin. In each and every Treta Yug, Rama will incarnate and in each and every Dwapara Yuga, Krishna will take birth.

So when Shiva and Sati were roaming in the Dandakaranya forests, it was the Satya Yuga of a certain Kalpa, but when they encountered Rama and Lakshmana, it was the Treta Yuga of the preceeding Kalpa. It is a kind of time overlap. Think of Michael J Fox in ' Back to the Future II ' .

This is explanation I once heard . Hope it makes sense.

Edited by varaali - 13 years ago

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varaali

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Posted: 13 years ago

#560

In Sanskrit literature, the term "Uma' -more often than not -refers to Parvati. When Parvati announced her intention to practice severe austerities in order to win Shiva's favour , her distressed mother, Mena Devi, called out to her "Uma Uma"- meaning 'Do not (' 'Ma' means don't ) . Hence Parvati came to be known as "Uma' .

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