Moving on is hard: But NECESSARY.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey DEK Diehards!🤗

So, my analysis is always a day late, so I'm putting in my two-cents for yesterday's epi.😳

The adorable Manveerness aside, and Amazing VBness, I noticed one key thing: JN needs to move on- not just for Manveer, but for herself.

She's so bitter that it's...almost- OK, not almost, it is Pathetic. I understand she's hurting, and that type of hurt takes forever to get over...but she simply needs to move on. She isn't even angry anymore, she is simply bitter: At least anger can burn out...when you're bitter you are holding it upon the idea and simply refuse to let go.

Uday has made it abundantly clear that he does not want her. He doesn't. Not now, not never. She understands that he loves Manyata. And He loves her how she is, and what she will become. It's as simple and as complicated as that. She sees it... and instead of letting it be evidence that there can be nothing between her and Uday she is simply resentful that he could fall for Manyata's antics over her polish. (On that point, I don't disagree with her...it's odd to think that the Uday she knew could fall for Manyata- but that's what love is: Unpredictable.)

Do I get J? Yes, she's right to be angry...but she isn't even acting angry anymore...it's turned into this ugly idea that won't go away. She needs to understand that whatever she may do to...

Is She going to get Uday? No, it's not happening.

Does she think she can get Uday? No, I think even she realizes that Uday can never be hers. So what's the next best thing: Make sure Manyata can never be his ie. "If I can't have you, then you can't have her" JN has this skewed perspective. ..Instead of finding inner peace and happiness for herself, she is attempting to make everyone as miserable as she is.

I sincerely hope JN does EVENTUALLY move on. Right now, I think she'll be an important asset to Manveer, and help bring them closer together. BUT there is also the chance that the perpetual failure of attaining Uday makes her completely crazy: And I seriously don't want that to happen. We've already seen crazy sisters trying to take their sister's Husband (ie Pia from KS) And It's sooo played out. Instead, JN would be better utilized if she brings Manveer together, and realizes that no matter what she does, they are meant to be together and let go of the idea of attaining Uday. I use Attaining Uday, and NOT LOVE. Because JN does not love Uday, she is simply obsessed with the idea that she can find happiness with him- because they are the same; because he gets her, and they are apparently"right" for each other. But she's mistaken, JN has not experienced love, and she is limiting herself from doing so by being so hung up on the past.

There is potential here for a fabulous character: but it could easily just turn into another cliche. It would be such a waste, and honestly we'd get the typical "I'm trying to break them up" soap, once Manveer happens. Do we really want that?🤔

At the same time I'm curious to know if Manyata understands just how close JN came to replacing her as Uday's Fiancee, I mean I know Manyata knows JN wants Uday. But does she realize why she's so bitter about Manyata's timely- or untimely, depending on how you look at it- appearance? I think if M was a little more intuitive...and could attempt to find out what is irking her sister things would tide over a little better. Simply because, hasn't M been shown to read people and befriend and figure them out- or does that not apply to her family members😕?

Second, I'm surprised DS and Komal have not called out JN for the subtle ... or not so subtle- jabs she makes at Manyata constantly. JN is just as much as an instigator as Manyata, and she too needs to put in her place.

Finally, I must say that I was pleased to see Manyata's expression while JN was singing: she looks at her sister and simply sees a party girl: but she forgets that JN has already learned what she is learning- she is already a princess. Manyata sees a brat, because that's how JN acts around her, but she is also a smart girl, and if Manyata wanted, she could learn from her too. There is no shame in learning from those who are younger then you. But, Manveer got the last laugh, although in a fashion that I thought was a little off. (1) Manyata challenges her to sing- JN obliges. (2) M is actually very surprised, and Uday comes over to sooth her disappointment that JN can actually sing, by mocking JN. Now, although it was a good line, I'm surprised Manyata didn't have a certain level of Diplomacy in the entire thing, but then again she is still learning.🤔

Bah! The entire point of this shpeel is this:

"Bitterness is like a cancer. It eats upon the host. But anger is like a fire. It burns it all clean."

-Angelou

JN should be angry, let the anger take over her till it burns her out, and then she too can rise from the ashes like a phoenix, just like her sister, but in a completely different way and for something else entirely.

Please do leave your thoughts!
-Reeha 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Anythoughts?, I love having discussions😳

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Posted: 13 years ago
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JN should be angry, let the anger take over her till it burns her out, and then she too can rise from the ashes like a phoenix, just like her sister, but in a completely different way and for something else entirely.👏👏👏

Exactly my point.She should actually evolve from Manveer's closeness.Her anger as you said will bring Manveer closer but it shouldn't destroy her dignity though I have least hopes on this to happen.Komal and DS I guess purposely let critisms come on M because sometimes criticisms act as challenges.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: arryline

Exactly my point.She should actually evolve from Manveer's closeness.Her anger as you said will bring Manveer closer but it shouldn't destroy her dignity though I have least hopes on this to happen.Komal and DS I guess purposely let critisms come on M because sometimes criticisms act as challenges.

I know Arya me too...sometimes CVs go with the conventional Cliched route and butcher the potential of a charecter. Infact...I think there's a bigger chance of her becoming evil then redeaming her self- but then I look at UV and see how he can change, and hope that JN can manage too. Infact, it would be a part of the story; we've seen too many disfunctional sibling relationships on TV...I don' t think we need another!

As for Komal and DS, I'm sure that has something to do with it...but JN isnt just citicizing M- she's flat out being a B*tch!😡. JN will only continue to do so, unless someone says something- thankfully UV did, but I don't think it has the same effect, it just makes her want to get back at M- like a perpetual cycle of hate. 🤢
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: reeha...k

I know Arya me too...sometimes CVs go with the conventional Cliched route and butcher the potential of a charecter. Infact...I think there's a bigger chance of her becoming evil then redeaming her self- but then I look at UV and see how he can change, and hope that JN can manage too. Infact, it would be a part of the story; we've seen too many disfunctional sibling relationships on TV...I don' t think we need another!

As for Komal and DS, I'm sure that has something to do with it...but JN isnt just citicizing M- she's flat out being a B*tch!😡. JN will only continue to do so, unless someone says something- thankfully UV did, but I don't think it has the same effect, it just makes her want to get back at M- like a perpetual cycle of hate. 🤢


Actually that's the sad part of Indian TV they always for tried and tested methods but hope DEK is able to break that convention,as of now J will burn and will make sure the heat reaches Manveer

UV knew JN can fight her battle alone but for a ashamed M ,UV could only have helped her and he did it too/
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I totally agree with you here, although I am a huge JN fan, I do feel it is vital for her to move on. BUT what I do understand is that, it is hard moving on and when you are you need someone to support and like you have mentioned before, JN doesn't really have a real friend. I have sort of been through what she is going through and from what i believe is that in order for her to move on, there at least needs to be one person that genuinely believes in her which is NONE if i am honest. I love manveer but uday's taunts are somehow making it worse for J and its becoming more hard for her to move on. The only thing I can hope for is for Manyata to see the vulnerable side to J and let J confide in her.she needs to see above the whole queen B act and actually understand J, see where she is coming from and understand her. i think it'll be a great way for both the sisters to bond after all these years of separation from each other. All in all, no one is perfect! even though J proved herself to be a good princes in from of her mum and DS, she knows herself that she isn't perfect but then again who is?

I just really hope they don't drag J's jealously track too long because i see a lot of potential in her character and there is a so much they can do with her characters since she also have so many grey shades to herself.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: arryline

Actually that's the sad part of Indian TV they always for tried and tested methods but hope DEK is able to break that convention,as of now J will burn and will make sure the heat reaches Manveer


UV knew JN can fight her battle alone but for a ashamed M ,UV could only have helped her and he did it too/

He did, but at the same time, Manyata was the one who issued the challenge, she should have been able to take the result- afterall, she loves to say she can handle things- really endearing how UV stepped up though- awesome Manveerness <3. I couldnt stop laughing at her expression while J was singing ( I don't know if it was JN herself, but it was good). As I said before, M only see's JN as a party girl and forgets that JN is a trained princess, already. M should have thought that through better- she just walked right into it 😆

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ayushiish

I totally agree with you here, although I am a huge JN fan, I do feel it is vital for her to move on. BUT what I do understand is that, it is hard moving on and when you are you need someone to support and like you have mentioned before, JN doesn't really have a real friend. I have sort of been through what she is going through and from what i believe is that in order for her to move on, there at least needs to be one person that genuinely believes in her which is NONE if i am honest. I love manveer but uday's taunts are somehow making it worse for J and its becoming more hard for her to move on. The only thing I can hope for is for Manyata to see the vulnerable side to J and let J confide in her.she needs to see above the whole queen B act and actually understand J, see where she is coming from and understand her. i think it'll be a great way for both the sisters to bond after all these years of separation from each other. All in all, no one is perfect! even though J proved herself to be a good princes in from of her mum and DS, she knows herself that she isn't perfect but then again who is?


I just really hope they don't drag J's jealously track too long because i see a lot of potential in her character and there is a so much they can do with her characters since she also have so many grey shades to herself.

Fabulous point! Wow. Thank you for sharing👏 You are absolutley correct: JN does NOT have a friend. She may think she does, but in reality JN just has a possy...not friends. She could have had Unnati as a friend, but she was too mean. K and L really just hang around her because she's a princess- and VB...VB just likes the show. It's sad, but true.

Honestly, JN has not shown Manyata her vulnerable side...but I hope Manyata gets to see it. Just so she can understand her sister better. It would be an amazing thing for Manyata to befriend JN- and it would be a great test as a royal: Winning over an enemy.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Love your post and analysis...
However I have to differ on 2 points...
If I remember correctly...the initial impression I got of Jai and UV...is of 2 people who have a lot of ...um...how should I put it...hot...tension between them...that they try and mask by throwing jibes at each other.
Only difference is...I think Jai was and is still in love with Uday...unlike him...for her it wasn't a matter of politics or of getting an estate. She was in love UV from childhood (as Unnati revealed to UV), but knew she couldn't have him because he had been reserved for a kidnapped sister that she would always play second fiddle to. When a proposal came to her for a very rich eligible young man...what did she do...try to make him a copy of UV...imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. 😆
Then circumstances change and bring Jai and UV to a point where they have to decide whether or not they want to marry each other...
Jai is super happy...and plays not too hard to get...just makes UV get down on his knees and propose. She got the man of dreams...or so she thinks.
Oh No...the missing sister shows up and pulls the rug out from under Jai...I almost feel sorry for her...really I do...but then it's so hard to feel sorry for the villain of the drama 😆.
Jai is still in love with UV...infact she's obsessed now...she has to prove that she's more worthy of UV...she's bitter because she knows she's more worthy and yet UV has fallen for Manyata...and despite UV's rebukes she still continues to throw herself at him...pathetic is the right word.
Of course much to our delight...Jai's plots work against her and in favor of Manveer...it's a drama...the villain always loses...and we love it. 😆
Secondly...I think Manyata is aware of how close Jai came to replacing her, but could care less if Jai gets UV or her estate.
Manyata spent the last 16 years of her life unaware of her entitlements...and she's not greedy...she can happily spend the rest of her life without them. She knows very well that her jodi with UV and in fact her very return to the palace irks the hell out of Jai. Jai has told her this point blank in one of their cat fights. That's why she doesn't trust Jai and as a result has often rebuked Jai's constant offers of helping her get Akash.
Manyata is not in love with UV..and many a times has herself suggested UV-Jai jodi (for example the New Year's party when Jai and UV were dancing). She loves Akash and is doing everything not so that she can become politically sound and hold onto her estate...she's doing it for her love...which for the time being she thinks is Akash 😕.
If this were the real world...I would say Jai...ghussa thuk and move on...you're worth a lot more than what you are reducing yourself to...but alas...it is a tv serial...her judgement is clouded because she is fullfilling the role of the grey/black/negative character for the time being...
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Originally posted by: ummesulaiman

Love your post and analysis...
However I have to differ on 2 points...
If I remember correctly...the initial impression I got of Jai and UV...is of 2 people who have a lot of ...um...how should I put it...hot...tension between them...that they try and mask by throwing jibes at each other.
Only difference is...I think Jai was and is still in love with Uday...unlike him...for her it wasn't a matter of politics or of getting an estate. She was in love UV from childhood (as Unnati revealed to UV), but knew she couldn't have him because he had been reserved for a kidnapped sister that she would always play second fiddle to. When a proposal came to her for a very rich eligible young man...what did she do...try to make him a copy of UV...imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. 😆 I am going to blame myself for this one😆 I didnt watch the show from the begining and skipped over a lot of parts. Most likely failed to pick up on some of these key moments. So I guess you're right, J did/does love UV; it would be interesting to see how this love started.
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Secondly...I think Manyata is aware of how close Jai came to replacing her, but could care less if Jai gets UV or her estate. I think she knows that J wants Uday- that much is obvious; but the point I was trying to articulate is that: Does she know J was left standing in her Rhoka outfit, while everyone else went running after Manyata? M may not like J...but ANY GIRL would feel a little sympathy for JN in that situation- even Manyata. Perhaps if she knew that..she would see why JN constantly has her claws out.

Thank you for your lovely response! My replies in this colour 😊

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