Originally posted by: return_to_hades
There have been some interesting aspects about the relationship intelligence and grades that have been raised here. I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with some aspects from both sides.
A lot of factors like teachers partiality, cheating, mugging can increase marks. At the same time lack of motivation, effort, negative treatment from teachers can reduce marks. The truth of the matter is none of these will ever effect the true intelligence of a person. A higher or lower score cannot effect the intrinsic intelligence that is inherent in a person.
dont know if anyone was saying that marks would affect any intrinsic intelligence. unless bad marks makes someone jump outa the window in which case they are not around to have any intelligence measurements conducted on them.😉😊
This definitely makes comparing intelligence based solely on marks in an exam as extremely skewed and faulty. I can vouch for that because some of my school scores would make me seem like a complete duffer (which I probably was on some level for slacking off so much and not caring).
However, you cannot blame exams for being an evil because of this. Exams are a really important tool in the education system. They constantly make teachers, parents and students check progress and identify strengths and weaknesses.
The problem lies in how people use these marks. Going of one exam score is not enough, it could be a freak of luck and fortune. One needs to look for consistency. Consistent high marks show that the person is either intelligent or a hard worker and consistent low marks show that the person either lacks intelligent or does not apply themselves. Improvement and Deterioration also reflect on levels of intellect and hard work.
pretty much what i was saying.😊
One cannot deny the fact that people can compensate a lower intelligence by sheer hard work and really intelligent people can mess up big time by being lazy. Exams try keep people working hard and not being lazy.
again.😊
Finally there is an intellect beyond marks.
and again.😊
There is book smarts and then there is street smarts. In the real world you need a good combination of both.
not necessarily. sometimes just one or the other or some other attribute including determination, sheer luck could also do it.😊
One of my managers from a previous job used to tell us, businesses do not really care on whether your degree is from a snooty ivy league college or a humble local college - what matters is how you interview, how you present yourself and most importantly how you are on the job, how you fit with the company, how you learn the job etc. You can get Harvard Assholes and Geniuses from Middle of Nowhere.
yes and no. for certain fast-track jobs, certain employers would not even bother going to lesser colleges. and if they do, they might take like 1 person out of 100, whereas they might recruit more heavily from the ivies. just need to look at the harvard alum list and the fact that it is the richest endowment by leagues due to those alums to see that point. bigger than most hedge funds in existence. 😉now, but only AFTER those candidates have been identified, i suppose the folks who interview best get selected.
to an extent there is a self-fulfilling prophesy with the ivies. they are supposedly the best institutions, and so attract the best students and the best employers. to what extent the students are great ton average to start with and to what extent it's the college that is turning those kids out smarter than where they were starting out is debatable. but it's undeniable i think that those kids generally get a better start, a start that often turns into career-long upward mobility.
and yes, once an employer has culled certain candidates and made them offers, it usually then comes down to on-the-job performance, good networking and other factors. but a lot of folks from lesser colleges dont even manage to get close to those jobs.
Schools and exams just give you information. In the real world you are on your own on how to gain information, how to store it and how to use it. You are on your own on how to apply your skills, how to retain them and how to improve them.
There are students who do brilliantly in school but falter in their career because they know nothing beyond school books.
true.😊
There are students who did not do well in school but have successful careers because they learned how to adapt the knowledge set they had.
and there's similar points we can make about otherwise intelligent people. they dont always succeed.😊
My advice to students is do not let exams get to you. Learn to appreciate them as a tool to gauge your learning. It is easy to get discouraged or feel stupid because of low scores, or feel overconfident and intellectual because of high scores. Focus on school, do your best, but always have a real world big picture perspective in mind.
depends what one is looking for. for certain professions, just the top grades from the top colleges cut it. beyond that, yes, one should have a life-long desire for learning and self-improvement. 😊
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