Gulzar a maestro or a non shayar?

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Came across this very interesting bit of discussion about Gulzaar's shayari...

"By the way when I hear lyrics like this, or that new "libaas"
>>song: neeli nadee ?? geelaa chaand ??, I am forced to say that
>>ALL other lyricists would need many more years of schooling at
>>the "Gulzar school of lyrics-writing" before they can even begin
>>to express such depths of human emotion !!!"

"Personally, I think
> Gulzar's lyrics are too weird for me. I cannot understand
> and/or appreciate most of them ! In this category

........sometimes, Gulzar puts a simple thought in vague
terms and foists it as deep poetry. For instance, while talking about KHwaab,
Gulzar says "..palkon me lena inhe, aankhon me chubh jaaenge...".

> fall words like "din khaali khaali bartan hai" and
> "koi kinara jo kinare se mile woh apna kinara hai". The
> use of words like "bistar" and "sofe" and "bartan" find a
> place only in Gulzar's lyrics. Such words somehow seem
> inappropriate for poetry.

"EXACTLY my thoughts!! Words such as "bartan" and "choola" completely put me off.
Of course it's good to express thoughts in simple terms, but there should be
a basic minimum quality level for words used in poetry. And then again, we have
that classic "Prose or Poetry" (Abhay kuch yaad aaya ? :-) ) song "Mera kuch
saamaan...." in which he says "Gila to main le aae, sookha lauTado...." or
something to that effect. So, he's either putting simple thoughts in abstract
form or going to the other extreme and using words such as bartan etc.

> And often, I find myself struggling to
> find meaning in his words - not the meanings of words themselves
> but of the poetry as a whole. A classic example of this is
> "hum ne dekhi hai un aaNkhoN ki mehakti khushboo, haath se chhoo
> ke ise rishtoN ka ilzaam na do".

"I beg to differ here... this is one my fav. Gulzar songs (and there are many).
He has captured a lot of wonderful thoughts here...

"HonT kuch kehte nahin kaampte honTon pe magar
Kitne Khaamosh afsaane ruke rehte hain
Sirf ehsaas hai ye rooh se mehsoo karo
Pyaar ko pyaar hi rehnedo koi naam na do...."

Excellent lyrics!

Some more lines of Gulzar which I love are:

"Koi waada nahin kiya lekin, kyun tera intezaar rehta hai
Bewajaah jab quaraar mil jaae, dil baRa bequaraar rehta hai..."

(Jab bhi ye dil udaas hota hai, jaane kaun aas paas hota hai"

So what do you think of Gulzar's work...is it too abstract, does it take too many liberties...or is he a maestro whose creativity transcends the rules that define poetry!!

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Poetry is imagination, it is putting to pen what your mind sees. There are some who believe in structured poetry and others who do not. Ultimately poetry is something which has meaning in it, which has life in it. If the poetry touches you, if you feel the words in them, that poetry comes to life.

I do not agree with some of the discussions above.

The relevant part of Meraa Kuch Saaman is
ek akeli chhataree main jab aadhe aadhe bheeg rahe the - 2
aadhe sookhe aadhe geele, sukha to main le aaye thee
geela man shayad bistar ke paas pada ho
vo bhijwa do, mera vo saamaan lauta do

It is a beautiful verse describing a scene where they romantically walked in the rain, some part of her which is still drenched in the rain of love is still lying by their bed, the part of her which is no longer drenched with love, but now dried is only with her.....

This is just a literal translation, but poetically, there is such a depth of meaning to it, one can write paragraphs on this one verse itself.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Now this is amazing😃!

Earlier today I had made a thread on srgmp which immediately went to page 5-6 without any views😆 URL Not Available and now I see this.

Let me copy-paste the content here,

Do you ever analyze the lyrics of a song? Like search for an inner meaning or the milieu in which it was written. If you find confusing or tough lyrics then do you ask someone for elucidation or just leave it at that?

While growing up I have often found Gulzar's lyrics intense and at times confusing. For long I couldn't understand the meaning of

meraa kuchh saamaan tumhaare paas padaa hai
saawan ke kuchh bheege bheege din rakhhe hain
aur mere ik khat mein liptii raat padii hai
vo raat bujhaa do
meraa vo saamaan lautaa do ..

I still don't know if I understand the meaning in its entirety. 😊

Do post the songs the meaning of which you couldn't understand. BTW I am not talking about meaningless lyrics here.😆

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

meraa kuchh saamaan tumhaare paas padaa hai

Ok ...good start!


saawan ke kuchh bheege bheege din rakhhe hain

Hmmm great...this is poetry!
aur mere ik khat mein liptii raat padii hai

Now I am getting confused!


vo raat bujhaa do

☢️.... Kaise kaise?????
meraa vo saamaan lautaa do ..

Ok back on track now!

So basic idea about Gulzaar's poetry is try not to ananlyze it...not too much atleast!😛😉

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Posted: 17 years ago
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I love Gulzar Lyrics, his way of writing so lovely,with very short n sweet words he express his views to all......some songs are very touchy ,very romatic...He prove as a poet,lyricist,writer...and his some of short stories so good,I think he love nature a lot cos most of lyrics have he mention about nature,he is a genius ,I just loved all his works.... 😊

some my fevrt:
"Musafir hoon yaaron","Tere bina zindagi se","Aane wala pal" and all 'Dil se' songs 'Sathiyaa' and lot of Gazzals 😊
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: TallyHo

So basic idea about Gulzaar's poetry is try not to ananlyze it...not too much atleast!😛😉

😆 First of all I am not sure if Gulzar's poetry such as 'Mera kuch saamaan' actually has an intense meaning or are we analyzing it too much.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Naaa... there is too much depth in this song, there is a wide range of emotions in this song. Each one of his lyrics have a meaning... and u must analyse it. It shows you a new facet, a new ray of life...


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

😆 First of all I am not sure if Gulzar's poetry such as 'Mera kuch saamaan' actually has an intense meaning or are we analyzing it too much.



Mayaaaaaaaaaaaaaa what r u saying!!!!!!!!

That song has a whole range of meaning to it... and depending on your mood, you can find new meanings everytime... The song is beautifully abstract, yet it is beautifully definitive....


TallyHo thumbnail
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Posted: 17 years ago
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But how do you bujhao a raat??????? 😕
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: TallyHo

But how do you bujhao a raat??????? 😕



Its not bhujaao a raat.

Its bhulaao a raat... u forget a night..

I used to believe that it was ek Raakh (a simmering ember of the flame), which was to be bhujaaoed...

But I was later told that it was Raat and bhulaaoed..

Either which way, with raat and bhulana and with raakh and bhujana, I found a lot of meaning


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