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Originally posted by: raj5000

BTW - have anyone seen "Mannn mein hai Vishwas?" hope they are making up true stories for $$😛

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Ok just one point since you are not adding any more information than attributing everything that exists to God.. I dont really much care about that God... since I dont have any reason to believe him more when Science explains things with more consistency...

Secondly, natural dynamic.. is something which basically involves transfer of momentum, energy transfer, mass to energy convesion, mutation, evolution... etc thats is changes that are not initiated through independently generated forces for every interaction.. I thought you atleast know this....😊.. When you say FORCE!!! you should realize things moving with uniform velocity, critical velocity have no concept of net FORCE... so it doesnt make any sense....

so you find nothing out there with acceleration?😛 kya gaadi chalate ho bhai?😉

waise koi zabardasti karta hai, kya woh bhee force use naheen karta hai?😛

aur woh gravity? ab uska kya hoga? bhool jayein sab kuch?😛

you seem to be categorizing what we are talking about in a narrow newtonian sense of force, though even by that definition, there is force. beyond that we are saying there is something which has created all the energy around us, all the potential for energy, all the mass which can be converted to energy, and for moving force, for the intelligent design everywhere around us, for all the beauty. how did it all get started? natural dynamic? zero force creating something which is capable of doing so much work? ever seen an artist put together something beautiful by accident, without skill or purpose? an engineer put together a porsche by chance?😛

so you want a God with will? someone who will intervene everytime to set things right by your standards? why? why cant God be smarter than someone who needs to intervene all the time? why cant he simply step in to keep the karmic cycle going till we ourselves decide to get salvation? set the broad parameters within which we operate, the feedback mechanism that keeps things in check? why cant there be a God who delegates, does not micromanage, a God who lets us be for the most part, to make it more interesting for us, to let us reap as we sow? why are you so sure he has no will, when any of these are possibilities for what he wills? you got any scientific proof, the kind you harp on as if there's ever total proof for most theories?

next you'll say a God with a will but one who does not micromanage is not very relevant, wont you?😛 will be happy to get there if the above is clear😉

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

😆 😆 😆 I see this debate going the same way as is hinduism becoming extinct debate 😆 😆

lagey raho 👍🏼

god willing then why not? else at least i dont have "natural dynamic" to let it keep going indefinitely.😛

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

😆 😆 😆 I see this debate going the same way
as is hinduism becoming extinct debate 😆 😆 lagey raho 👍🏼

Originally posted by: chatbuster

god willing then why not? else at least i dont have "natural dynamic" to let it keep going indefinitely.😛

😆😆😆 so true...god willing then why not? after all god has sent qwerty our way to question his own existence. how can we ignore the natural dynamic provided by our very own god-sent qwerty😆

long live debate...and long live debaters....insha allah😆

Originally posted by: raj5000

Well, what's natural forces to do in the incident you mentioned, its human error that caused the tragedy. Nah.. from the point teh driver had the steering in his hands.. everything was unpredictable,... now for human error.. who is at fault, the mechanic for not checking the nuts and bolts, the driver who pulled the steering or the commuters who could have taken another bus...😆 Ok, per ur definition, I see the Natural forces are controlled by God, nobody controls natural forces they are self-perpetuating...I look at it this way "in favor" - God's grace, "Not in Favor" - God's action for a reason and accept it, not loose faith in almighty.

Also is "God doing nothing" do one expects God to eliminate the death from humans? Whatever let him do something consistently where his actions have some empirical evidence rather than just naive belief...Existence of God and related topics are all on beliefs and trusts. Thats fine... but then there should be as many Gods as many people since every one has their beliefs...😉

Those who term favorable natural happenings as God's grace and non favorable as God doesn't exists is blah IMO.....thats how the whole world of belief works.. do you believe in a God who will only destroy you physically, mentally, and morally. The concept of God has positivism thats why some worship and fear his wrath...

BTW - have anyone seen "Mannn mein hai Vishwas ", hope they are making up true stories for $$😛

Originally posted by: raj5000

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

😆😆😆 so true...god willing then why not? after all god has sent qwerty our way to question his own existence. how can we ignore the natural dynamic provided by our very own god-sent qwerty😆

long live debate...and long live debaters....insha allah😆

😆ok i would have agreed if you said insha qwerty.....😆.. since everybody loves their "God" right now...I am sure nobody really believes - most want to believe just to keep up with the joneses😆.. so we have these new state-of-art beliefs..

My God a Force.

I dont believe in idol worship.. My God, in my mind.

My God is energy.

My God is the initiator of unified force field theory..

.😆... Actually apart from going through the motions of the rituals nobody gives a damn..😆.

Originally posted by: chatbuster

so you find nothing out there with acceleration?😛 kya gaadi chalate ho bhai? 😉.. jyada der toh cruise pey chalti hai ka roon bhaiyya... acceleration karna shuru kar denge.. kya but for what?

waise koi zabardasti karta hai, kya woh bhee force use naheen karta hai?😛..Kaisi physical ya mental.?. physical hoga toh true mental hoga toh untrue..😉

aur woh gravity? ab uska kya hoga? bhool jayein sab kuch?😛... oy did you try the empire state .. I think gravity fails there for you..u.nless you prove otherwise..😆

you seem to be categorizing what we are talking about in a narrow newtonian sense of force, No....though even by that definition, there is force. there is no force which is why the planets remain in orbit.. nahi toh aap ka big bang phir shuru ho jaata..😆.beyond that we are saying there is something which has created all the energy around us, all the potential for energy, all the mass which can be converted to energy, and for moving force, for the intelligent design everywhere around us, for all the beauty.beauty.. yaar when you talk about logical things dont get illogical things in the mix.. how did it all get started? natural dynamic? zero force creating something if zero force can lead to a population ot 1 billion for india i think a lot of things dont need any force...which is capable of doing so much work? So what work is done for the forces acting on the planetary system ever seen an artist put together something beautiful by accident,without skill or purpose? an engineer put together a porsche by chance?😛...humans are illogical.. dont ask me how they work... i dont have any answer....why are these things even considered they are sheer waste of time.. paiinting is replaced by digital photography, Porche is a useless car, all roads have speed limits and not many can maintain it... so whats the idea..Life doesnt have any purpose...everybody/everything is just incidental...so stop hallucinating about grand scheme of operations here...😆

so you want a God with will? someone who will intervene everytime to set things right by your standards? why? why cant God be smarter than someone who needs to intervene all the time? why cant he simply step in to keep the karmic cycle going till we ourselves decide to get salvation? programming something doesnt nullify will.. yaar washer lagane key baad kapade dalney, nikalney toh honge nah...key cleaning cycle sorry karmic cycle apne aap chalu ho jaayega..?.set the broad parameters within which we operate, the feedback mechanism that keeps things in check? why cant there be a God who delegates, does not micromanage, a God who lets us be for the most part, to make it more interesting for us, to let us reap as we sow? all that requires a God with a will atleast to control...😉why are you so sure he has no will, when any of these are possibilities for what he wills? you got any scientific proof, the kind you harp on as if there's ever total proof for most theories?...I told u i can tell you what he cant do.. you cant tell me one empirical evidence for his existence... ghoom phir key phir se udhar- kuch aur nahi hai ka?😆

next you'll say a God with a will but one who does not micromanage is not very relevant, wont you?😛 I dont care if he can micromanage... right now I am questioning the ability to manage...😉will be happy to get there if the above is clear😉