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Posted: 18 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: Guardian Angel

Am I correct that when our temples didnot allow certain sects. like the untouchables ages ago, the Sikh Gurudwara welcomed anyone with open arms regardless of their cast? I was told this by one of my teachers years ago......... that we made the untouchables sweep outside of our temples but didnot allow them inside. Sorry I am getting side-tracked here but just could not help commenting and asking.........

Thanks😛

I have read about it. I think it is true.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

But Yesudas is a born Christian and practicing Hindu. How can a temple's sanctity get disturbed if the authorities let him enter the temple? The other case of temple going for shuddhikalasham (purifying because of a Non-hindu's entry) because the mother of the groom is a Christian. The guy's father is Hindu. So does it make the guy's blood mixed? Many temples in Kerala have such stringent rules. I am not making a comparison but have never found such discrimination in temples of other states. In our family temple only people of royal family and Brahmins are allowed. I follow the rules to respect the elders but it pains me that some of the elders in my family are being so narrow minded in this day and age and clinging onto old belief.

Let us not compare why and how other religious places don't let Hindus and strictly based on Guruvaypor issue I thing it is high time we let go off such discriminatory actions in the name of religion.



Maya, as I told u, I am not against religious discriminations, if a devotee draws solace or inspiration from a particular god, then he must be permitted to worship the Lord.

To cite an example of a temple in Tamil Nadu, Tiruppungar, (it is pronounced differently, cant write the tamil word here properly), where Lord Shiva is worshipped. The lore goes that the temple is very powerful. One untouchable, Nandanar, a great devotee of the Lord Shiva, who longed to get darshan once of the Lord in the temple, was always turned away from the temple because he was harijan. The lore goes that the idol of Nandi which is found outside every sanctum of Lord Shiva moved that morning to the side so that Nandanar, who was standing outside the temple, in front of the sanctum, could get the darshan of the Lord. When the Lord himself does not prevent his devotees from worshipping him, who are mere mortals to do so.

But the Devasthanam Boards do not bar such entries on whims and fancies or age old traditions alone.

At least speaking for Guruvayoor, the Tantris do a prasham, and then decide on the course of actions to be taken.

The construction of the temple and the sanctity of the temple are mantained not just by cleaniless and regular pujas, but by strictly adhering to the religious canons of the temple. Every such "canon" has a reason and rationale behind it and all I would say is we should respect it.

As I told above, this is my personal experience. In Hazratbal, we were not allowed entry beyond a particular point. I went there to see a place of worship and not as a tourist, but I am concious that there are many who go there as a mere tourist, and the religious canons of that place of worship dictates that they would not permit non muslims beyond a certain limit. One should respect it, I believe.

On the religious aspect, if all of us learn to respect other religions sentiments and adhere to follow the norms and canons of those religions while entering that place of worship, yes, why not. But till such time religious tolerance is practiced by all, would it be right to allow another religion to deface our place of worship.

When in rome, do as the romans. When we go to the Golden Temple, we are asked to cover our heads and we do so, because the temple canons and their religion require it. If one sees strictly, in our caste, only widows would cover heads, but we do not observe that when we go to their temples, because there, we must respect their place of worship.


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Posted: 18 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: Maya_M

I have read about it. I think it is true.

In "Sabarimala" also....all are welcomed and lot of believers visiting there.....The only hindu temple people practice Group prayers..😊

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

I have read about it. I think it is true.



Well, that's true. They do enforce covered head rule though and that's it... My punjabi husband was almost pushed out for not covering head..
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Posted: 18 years ago
#25

Hinduism not follow any particuler LAW...But if you check cristanity or Islam there is 100's of law,How many follow the law?.........Hinduism is a way of life......lot of Changes happening in this modern world.......Some are ready to change...it should be appreciated...😊

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Believe

Hinduism not follow any particuler LAW...But if you check cristanity or Islam there is 100's of law,How many follow the law?.........Hinduism is a way of life......lot of Changes happening in this modern world.......Some are ready to change...it should be appreciated...😊



Certainly. So if someone wants to change and be a Hindu, by following Hindu dharma, why not?

But does that include someone who is not a practicing hindu.


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Posted: 18 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: greatmaratha


Maya, as I told u, I am not against religious discriminations, if a devotee draws solace or inspiration from a particular god, then he must be permitted to worship the Lord.

To cite an example of a temple in Tamil Nadu, Tiruppungar, (it is pronounced differently, cant write the tamil word here properly), where Lord Shiva is worshipped. The lore goes that the temple is very powerful. One untouchable, Nandanar, a great devotee of the Lord Shiva, who longed to get darshan once of the Lord in the temple, was always turned away from the temple because he was harijan. The lore goes that the idol of Nandi which is found outside every sanctum of Lord Shiva moved that morning to the side so that Nandanar, who was standing outside the temple, in front of the sanctum, could get the darshan of the Lord. When the Lord himself does not prevent his devotees from worshipping him, who are mere mortals to do so.

But the Devasthanam Boards do not bar such entries on whims and fancies or age old traditions alone.

At least speaking for Guruvayoor, the Tantris do a prasham, and then decide on the course of actions to be taken.

The construction of the temple and the sanctity of the temple are mantained not just by cleaniless and regular pujas, but by strictly adhering to the religious canons of the temple. Every such "canon" has a reason and rationale behind it and all I would say is we should respect it.

As I told above, this is my personal experience. In Hazratbal, we were not allowed entry beyond a particular point. I went there to see a place of worship and not as a tourist, but I am concious that there are many who go there as a mere tourist, and the religious canons of that place of worship dictates that they would not permit non muslims beyond a certain limit. One should respect it, I believe.

On the religious aspect, if all of us learn to respect other religions sentiments and adhere to follow the norms and canons of those religions while entering that place of worship, yes, why not. But till such time religious tolerance is practiced by all, would it be right to allow another religion to deface our place of worship.

When in rome, do as the romans. When we go to the Golden Temple, we are asked to cover our heads and we do so, because the temple canons and their religion require it. If one sees strictly, in our caste, only widows would cover heads, but we do not observe that when we go to their temples, because there, we must respect their place of worship.

Priya, We agree on the basic point and that is our personal opinion on any devotee being allowed an entry.

Thanks for the story. I know our religion has many such wonderful stories about bhakts and lord.

I don't have a good opinion about devaswom boards after Sabarimala issue. The tantri is behind bars and the fact is there are many higher-ups involved from Kerala to Delhi. This whole shuddhi and prashnamvaikkal is all hogwash. This is strictly my opinion.

About being asked to follow certain norms in other religious places even temples do that. Temples in Kerala have stringent rules as I mentioned earlier. Why does it have to be different in Kerala when rest of India have no such rules in any temple? We can cover our head or bow down but at least let devotees enter the place of worship. Totally denying it is unreasonable.

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Posted: 18 years ago
#28

Now strictly staying on Guruvayoor temple rules, I personally known many people from different religion who have gone inside the temple. Most schools take students for yearly excursion and nuns of Catholic schools even wear saree for that one time visit to temple along with kids and they are not stopped because no one knows them. The problem arises only if it is Yesudas or Sonia Gandhi or Mercy Ravi.

Tantris do prashnam and shuddhi only if famous personalities enter the premise. What about so many unknown people disrupting the sanctity?

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Posted: 18 years ago
#29

Each temple have their on concept/Theory.......so we should follow that concept.....We can do prayer anywhere...but when you enter in a temple its have some theory some science there...Hindu solidarity as a "unity in diversity" among all sects and lineages.

http://evolutionoftruth.com/abennett/temple.htm

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Posted: 18 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: Maya_M

Now strictly staying on Guruvayoor temple rules, I personally known many people from different religion who have gone inside the temple. Most schools take students for yearly excursion and nuns of Catholic schools even wear saree for that one time visit to temple along with kids and they are not stopped because no one knows them. The problem arises only if it is Yesudas or Sonia Gandhi or Mercy Ravi.

Tantris do prashnam and shuddhi only if famous personalities enter the premise. What about so many unknown people disrupting the sanctity?

Personaly I feel Yesudas should allow to pray...cos he is a Devotee........But why societies leaders or other cultural people silent againt other religion who not ready to change.......

Some places womens not allow to pray in mousque......wheres our ministors and other cultural people to talk about this?other Marriage registraction act, matter why some are against cos their religion allow to marry 3,4 time?? so they dont want to register...??😳

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