"Hindi is our National language" - Ajay Devgan - Page 11

May be my generalisation was extrapolated. May be most North Indians do not view, other languages are inferior and less imposing.
I got carried away, when the non Hindi speaking population was indirectly compared with the Khalistani group in farmer protest. You can’t keep branding people as selfish or anti national and what not, just because they don’t subscribe to your mentality.

Many a times, unfortunately the silent majority of any community gets branded, because of the vocal minority,

I must say, Hindi versus other language debate has been healthier as both voices from the same group have been heard. (Sonu Nigam & Ajay Devgan).

If you were to be a Hindi speaker, then I would have refrained myself (and apologise to you).

(Having said, I have read Pakistani people admitting that Punjabi not having the same status as Urdu).

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

May be my generalisation was extrapolated. May be most North Indians do not view, other languages are inferior and less imposing.
I got carried away, when the non Hindi speaking population was indirectly compared with the Khalistani group in farmer protest. You can’t keep branding people as selfish or anti national and what not, just because they don’t subscribe to your mentality.

Many a times, unfortunately the silent majority of any community gets branded, because of the vocal minority,

I must say, Hindi versus other language debate has been healthier as both voices from the same group have been heard. (Sonu Nigam & Ajay Devgan).

If you were to be a Hindi speaker, then I would have refrained myself (and apologise to you).

(Having said, I have read Pakistani people admitting that Punjabi not having the same status as Urdu).

We could always have an academic discussion on the merits and demerits of a majoritarian system on the topic of a national language for India while still treating the unity and integrity of India as non-negotiable. I believe a little ribbing here and there shouldn't hurt feelings to the point that we start making sweeping generalizations about vast sections of people just to get back. Also, a statement such as "West Pakistan tried too much to impose Urdu on East Pakistan and ended up loosing Bangladesh", which essentially glosses over the entire history before the 1971 war including the tenuous links that East and West Pakistan always had, is not constructive to this topic, IMO. Sure, history could be a lesson but only if the parallel are significant.

Not to state the obvious, but no one on these forums have the authority to impose a national language nor the power to affect a secession so the most we could do is debate what's best for India and what's detrimental.

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

Ravan worship was not a South Indian thing. It was invented by Periyaar, who extrapolated AIT and made Ravan as hero. That does not mean entire Tamilnad or South India are his followers. Similarly todays Left is creating Ravan God in other parts of India. But no one is bothered. Just like north India does not care about weirdos, south also does not care. If you are so concerned, you can fix your home first.

First you introduce hierarchy by calling one language more important than the others for whatever reason. Then when those at the bottom of hierarchy protest, call them selfish. What logic? Stubbornness is not an action. It is a reaction towards ego.

Today because of Urdu domination, Pakistani Punjabis feel inferior about their own mother tongue. They call it as a language of “gali galoch”. Why? It is a land of famous folklores and music. We don’t want our languages to be reduced like that.

A North Indian comes to Bangalore or Hyderabad, not because of magnanimity to unite India. It is simply because, he does not have enough job opportunities in his home state. That’s fine. India is one. Next, he wants his host state to learn his language. If the host state does not want to learn, they are selfish.

Hindi speaking people’s tantrum in South is no better than some Muslim’s tantrums in India. Both do not want to adapt to the native culture. They want everyone to act according to them. (If not, others are intolerant). They are experts in creating enemies out of friends. (This is how “Go to Pakistan” or “Bangalore is for Kannadigas” arguments stem). It is not that Hindus hate Muslims or South Indians hate Hindi. They simply don’t want their good will to be taken advantage of.

May be UP people have some inherent nature of imposing. Tarekh Fatah says, Muslims who went from UP imposed their Uudu on Punjabis and Sindhis. Here, they want to impose Hindi on non Hindi speakers. Why? Why can’t these guys just mind their own business? If someone wants to speak Hindi only, let them search for a job in their respective state. If they need to go to another state to earn their livelihood, let them have humbleness to learn native language, be it Gujarati, Marathi, Kannada, Telugu or Tamil.

Whether it's Ravan worship or something else, it sure seems like the dravidians have a need to create a different narrative, however illogical and silly that might be. By the way, I never said entire South is into Ravan worship, so please don't create your strawman.

I also gave you a darn good reason for why hindi could be a unifying language. It's spoken by majority of Indians. And I corrected folks here and gave stats on how Tamil is spoken by only 6% of Indians. That word "important" is also another of your strawman.

It's weird to see the opposition among your minority numbers towards hindi. All that ranting about hindi, urdu, pakis etc. All I implied was we should ADD hindi in the curriculum, not take away the regional languages. People learn a lot of stuff in schools. Why not hindi too? If your argument is that it will inconvenience some, then I have the argument of selfish people who will always oppose.

As for that last bit about people from elsewhere needing to be grateful, sorry that's bs. Bangalore did not develop because of anything inherent about kannada... ditto for Tamil Nadu. And ditto for any state including maharashtra. The locals in each state have probably had less to contribute than Indians from everywhere else. Without them, you would not have bollywood, you would not have the center invest in bringing up new cities and IT parks (thru tax revenue transfers to states). Its like Dubai that has prospered because of the expats. The south would not even have enough to eat if not for the north! Also the south has not had to suffer the consequences of wars and terrorism as much... given the north has been front line there. So how about you try be a bit grateful for the economy the south could create thanks to all Indians?

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

The south would not even have enough to eat if not for the north!

Not only is this an obnoxious statement, it's also an outright lie! Southern states are getting shafted by the center, having to contribute more in tax revenue and receive less, with most funds being redistributed to the underdeveloped districts of India most of which are located in the Hindi belt. Not that there is anything wrong with that because it is one India but to even question that fact or spin that into something a polar opposite and as negative as above is downright sinister.

There is a huge gulf between incomes of Indian states and that is a fact. Unchecked population growth again in some Northern states is also a fact.

Birdie, you know I like conversing with you and do look forward to reading your posts but if I have to go to war with you on this, I will.

I hope you realize that if northerners and southerners of India indulge in mudslinging, they will only end up trashing India. But if that's the name of the game here, so be it.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

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Also the south has not had to suffer the consequences of wars and terrorism as much... given the north has been front line there. So how about you try be a bit grateful for the economy the south could create thanks to all Indians?

For your information, Mysore was the richest state in Asia pre independence, There was no presence of North Indians. Not calling out BIMARU states. Today they are coming up. Wishing them the very best.

“The south would not even have enough to eat if not for the north”. If so, a request to these northerners who are coming to enrich the south and western states. We don’t need your favour. Instead of migrating to other states to make them rich, stay put in your state and make it richer.

South is covered by sea. Historically it was shielded by invasions. For that, one needs to thank the ocean, not the north. That does not mean, South did not have its share. Harsha who was unbeaten in 299 battles has to face defeat with Chalukyas. Babur did not invade south because, it was then ruled by Krishna Deva Raya.

It was north which mainly got converted in large population (Punjab, Bengal & Kashmir). The attacks north India is facing are from your converted brothers. What can south do about it?

I will stop arguing with a nut case like you. It unnecessarily makes me associate every North Indian with you. The superiority complex, the hollowness in that ego. It will result in sweeping statements about north Indians.

To keep my sanity, I will not post on this thread anymore.

@K.Universe

There was a reason I lost my cool. Superiority like this. Statements like this without any substance.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Not only is this an obnoxious statement, it's also an outright lie! Southern states are getting shafted by the center, having to contribute more in tax revenue and receive less, with most funds being redistributed to the underdeveloped districts of India most of which are located in the Hindi belt. Not that there is anything wrong with that because it is one India but to even question that fact or spin that into something a polar opposite and as negative as above is downright sinister.

There is a huge gulf between incomes of Indian states and that is a fact. Unchecked population growth again in some Northern states is also a fact.

Birdie, you know I like conversing with you and do look forward to reading your posts but if I have to go to war with you on this, I will.

I hope you realize that if northerners and southerners of India indulge in mudslinging, they will only end up trashing India. But if that's the name of the game here, so be it.

You are barking up the wrong tree! I was responding to this character who talked about northerners needing to feel grateful when they come south. He started that garbage talk, not me. So how if you take that up with them!

But thanks for derailing another topic with your nitpicking that still gets it all wrong! You just let this person scamper away without having to confront the issues I raised by just riding on the wrong assertions you made.

Now, as to your silly assertions, let's go thru them. Food. Yes, take just a northern state like Punjab out and the south would starve. That's factual and should not be a matter for stupid egos. Here's the logic you should get. India is just about self sufficient when it comes to food. And what makes that possible is Punjab which is the bread basket- rice, sugar, wheat, you name it, we depend on it as a nation, forget just the south! Other than Andhra which produces rice, the rest of the south does not have much agriculture. I don't know about you, but most people can't eat rubber and coconut all day long! 😂

Then you made the statement about the south paying more in taxes. Well, if you want to go with absolute numbers, then add Punjab and haryana nd gujrat to the list. These are not southern states and they too pay more than they supposedly take in.

And that's just one aspect. On a per capita basis, India's taxation is actually more regressive than most countries. That means the south does not pay as much as they would have paid even in a country like the US that we hold as a beacon for fairness! As another example, musk pays more in taxes than most Americans but he would have NO leg to stand on if he were to claim he is being treated unfairly. Reason- without the enabling infrastructure the country provided, he would have never made his money in the first place. So how about he shows some gratitude!

Ditto for south India. The MNCs did not set up car companies in Tamil Nadu because they had great Tamil engineers. They set up shop because of an enabling infrastructure made possible by the country.... the iits, the iims, the diaspora (many of them punjabis and gujratis) who put India on the world map when it came to foreign direct investments!

So next time you want to refute stuff, dig deeper and get your facts right. And yeah, use some.logic!

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

Ravan worship. There are such claims from northern India too. There is no need to “fix” anything. If anything you better fix yourself first, instead of preaching.

If more people speak Hindi is a damn good reason to make it compulsory, English should be made language of India as even more people speak English in world. Why India should think it as an external imposition? India thinking of Indian language; is it not selfish according to your terms)?

Hindi can be added in curriculum when Hindi speakers are also willing to learn a non Hindi Indian language IN ADDITION TO HINDI. (It does not have to be Tamil. I am not asking for Tamil to be made national language. I am asking for equal platform). As kids can learn lot of other stuff, another Indian language should not be a problem (according to you). Northerners can show their magnanimity to selfish South Indian population.

For your information, Mysore was the richest state in Asia pre independence, There was no presence of North Indians. Not calling out BIMARU states. Today they are coming up. Wishing them the very best.

“The south would not even have enough to eat if not for the north”. If so, a request to these northerners who are coming to enrich the south and western states. We don’t need your favour. Instead of migrating to other states to make them rich, stay put in your state and make it richer.

South is covered by sea. Historically it was shielded by invasions. For that, one needs to thank the ocean, not the north. That does not mean, South did not have its share. Harsha who was unbeaten in 299 battles has to face defeat with Chalukyas. Babur did not invade south because, it was then ruled by Krishna Deva Raya.

It was north which mainly got converted in large population (Punjab, Bengal & Kashmir). The attacks north India is facing are from your converted brothers. What can south do about it?

I will stop arguing with a nut case like you. It unnecessarily makes me associate every North Indian with you. The superiority complex, the hollowness in that ego. It will result in sweeping statements about north Indians.

To keep my sanity, I will not post on this thread anymore.

@K.Universe

There was a reason I lost my cool. Superiority like this. Statements like this without any substance.

Lol did you just call me an idiot? You shouldn't really! See, if we look at it factually, you'd be around half my IQ. So where would that put you?😂

But sure, scamper away. You did not have any argument you were able to sustain and you had to keep shifting. All that ranting about urdu, pakis, north, up etc. And now you are finally down to supporting english just because you want everyone to be inconvenienced. No concept of Indian ethos. Pathetic.😂

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

Now, as to your silly assertions, let's go thru them. Food. Yes, take just a northern state like Punjab out and the south would starve. That's factual and should not be a matter for stupid egos. Here's the logic you should get. India is just about self sufficient when it comes to food. And what makes that possible is Punjab which is the bread basket- rice, sugar, wheat, you name it, we depend on it as a nation, forget just the south! Other than Andhra which produces rice, the rest of the south does not have much agriculture. I don't know about you, but most people can't eat rubber and coconut all day long! 😂

Well, clearly, you know diddly squat about the south Indian crops like paddy, sorghum, pearl millet, pulses, sugarcane, ragi etc., and you know jack about how economy works in terms of imports and exports so I am not sure how much "deeper" you want me to dig considering your illiteracy in this subject. But if you insist that I entertain your folly, even if Punjab is taken out of the equation for south, they can still import from OTHER places in this world. In fact, your own Sitharaman recently said that importing wheat from North is costlier than importing from Australia for South India. Maybe they should start doing that.

By your "logic", the state of New York with a $1.9 trillion dollar economy would starve too because they don't produce wheat and would eat "dairy products" all day because in your warped world money can't buy anything!

Rest of your gibberish doesn't deserve a reply because it is too unintelligible.

But, now that we have covered "economy", 😂 what's the best time according to you to discuss rat worship in Rajasthan? I mean, a temple for rats? Seriously? 😂

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Well, clearly, you know diddly squat about the south Indian crops like paddy, sorghum, pearl millet, pulses, sugarcane, ragi etc., and you know jack about how economy works in terms of imports and exports so I am not sure how much "deeper" you want me to dig considering your illiteracy in this subject. But if you insist that I entertain your folly, even if Punjab is taken out of the equation for south, they can still import from OTHER places in this world. In fact, your own Sitharaman recently said that importing wheat from North is costlier than importing from Australia for South India. Maybe they should start doing that.

By your "logic", the state of New York with a $1.9 trillion dollar economy would starve too because they don't produce wheat and would eat "dairy products" all day because in your warped world money can't buy anything!

Rest of your gibberish doesn't deserve a reply because it is too unintelligible.

But, now that we have covered "economy", 😂 what's the best time according to you to discuss rat worship in Rajasthan? I mean, a temple for rats? Seriously? 😂

Lol you just out-did yourself... being dumb😂. New lows you hitting, bud.😂 It is implied that one can import.... same as people in the north can import cars. But even then, given that we have a large population that is close to high hunger index levels, any disruption in food from Punjab would be devastating as it has been this season because of the hot weather. Wheat prices have shot up globally because of our export ban, thats how important punjab's supply is... and you would have known that if you hadn't just crawled out from under the rock.

As for the rest of your garbage, Indian govt provided wheat rations for free during the pandemic. Forget about importing rations at high prices, it was giving away stuff!

The world wants India's food production and you are talking import prices. What a whack job.😂

And rat worship. 😂. That's hilarious. But to be fair to those dudes, they're not trying to create some new religion like the dravidians here who were talking about a distinct dravidian religion... using ravan for their shiny idol. And that was the crux of the debate, not the silly nitpicking side shows you got us on with your rants.

Btw before you flip out like that other dude, just know you started the aggressive talk. So don't be whining now. 😂

"You people don't understand! Yes, we speak in Hindi and you SHOULD do too because it's great for the economy. No, not for the economy in our Hindi belt because, you know, wars and such!"

"Where are you going? Come back! Let me tell you something about your cars. You see, the car industry in Tamil Nadu, the IIMs, the IITs...the brainy Gujarati, the brawny Punjabis...hey! Come back!"

😂

nice job unifying, ninny!