why should we even have patriotism - Page 4

Originally posted by: KrishnaKeshava

In the new age, patriotism is equal to bashing other countries. That is very egoistic IMO. Why do you need to put down other countries in order to show your country as better one?

Without whataboutism they can't fulfill their deshbhakt quota. As if women here should be shut up and be satisfied about our condition thinking women somewhere else are having a worse fate. As if we should be just accept our situation thinking oh it's not absolute gutterish worse.

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

Patriotism means loving your country. And I dont need to love it for it to exist. So naah, without patriotism India can exist as well.

Some people have all the priviledge of separating whatever heck their idea of some utopian India is and what India actually is in their head. I dont. India is not some idea its a nation and nation is its people! When people of India dont give a rat's ass about their women, then India the nation is responsible. What kinda bs statement is ' India the nation is not the reason women are suffering'? Indian women are suffering because of India the nation. Our culture,religion,age old beliefs are literally responsible for half the shit that happens to women.

The question is : Why should we have patriotism? and you made it about unity. What is this unity? Where are we united? What does this unity do for the greater good? Is anyone staying in India happy right now? Is any woman truly happy in India? This unity is just the inability to escape from here. Indian patriotism today has nothing to do with unity. People are here because they have no other choice. Its everything to do with our war mongering and jingoistic tendencies. It has everything to do with the paranoia created around someone taking our identity and our majority numbers dwindling. Actual patriotism is the love for the country and there has to a reason for that. What reason do we have? Communal bias, dead economy, women safety a joke,unemployment all time high, marital rape legal, trans bill against trans people. If anyone actually feels love for their country after this whole week,then they must have really low standards.

Its time people merge whatever utopian idea of India the nation is with the actual sickening nation we have become. We have failed as a nation. This 'without patriotism India cannot exist' is complete bs. Right now India is existing on mere propaganda.

You are still not getting my point. You are unable to separate the identity of the nation India with the cultures and communal groups here, if patriotism dies today and everyone wants a separate nation, than India will cease to exist. But still economical issues, social issues, communal issues and political issues will be as it is, as the sovereign nation of India isn't responsible for any of this. The idea of "India", the nation India, is a totally seperate entity from the cultures present here.

You are clubbing the "Mera Bharat Mahaan" emotion with "We are Indian" identity. I was talking about the latter, you are arguing about the former. You still ain't getting the point of my post. You are completely correct in your assessment that people being proud of being India is phony and gimmicky, but a person living in Indian subcontinent comparising of Indian Republic, separated from others by language, religion, castr and so on, only has this identity of being Indian, which makes him/her feel he belongs to this nation, otherwise, if a Assamese(or another community member) person goes to abroad, and meets a person from Tamil Nadu, both of them will be called Indian. I am talking about that identity, and the loyality towards thar identity is important.

Yes there are thousands of problem, never denied, I never said blindly love the country without criticizing the people, government, culture, religious practices and so on. But my point was the day people living in India, don't identify with that pride, India wouldn't last.

Sorry, either you still didn't get my original point, or I am an inarticulate idiot, who isn't able to explain you.

some comments says here only NRI luvs India...but that is totaly wrong...when i went back home everybody like everybody luvs India back home.... friends and relatives 😊what we talk here always that only NRI luvs india

again 10% dosnet luv will not count whole India😲😆

Noted......

The same old rudaalis with the same old rona dhona. Like migrate to your paradise on earth jeez....instead of whining all the time.

Originally posted by: FilmiDhun

I don't believe in this patriotism b*llsh*t. Blind and crazy patriotism is lethal. It been the cause of countless stupid wars throughout history and has only bought divide between humans.

I don't know about others but I am not proud of my country. Not because my country hasn't had achievements but because I myself haven't done a sh*t to be so effing proud of my country.

All these propaganda movies with chest thumping nationalism makes me cringe. Instead of being so "proud" of ones country, people should instead grow a sense of reaponsibilty towards it and know to stand for what's right and just.

Patriotism is not bullshit, it is a natural sentiment to be proud of one's own identity. You country is a part of your identity, and any normal person would take pride in their identity.

Also, "nationalism" and "patriotism" are two different things, which I suspect many don't comprehend. Saying 'I'm not proud of my country' is extreme, especially when there are SO MANY things to be proud of about India.

Bold: Er, that is what 'patriotism' exactly is??

Originally posted by: hotchic2

Being a half indian and half pakistani😆, i can say this with 100% conviction that patriotism is shit. In disguise of passion and pride, it only brings out aggression and supremacy. People turn blind eye to high level politics with 'MY COUNTRY' slogans and lose every sense of tenderness and tolerance. I have started to feel the same way about religion as well.

You don't know the definition of 'patriotism' I guess. Patriotism is being proud of one's country, it has nothing to do with hysteria and aggression. Loving your country is a natural thing to do and it comes naturally to people like loving your own family or friends.

Doing politics in the name of patriotism is different from patriotism itself. 'Aggressive nationalism' is different from patriotism. Patriotism is a constructive thing and helps you to improve and care for your country.

Originally posted by: KrishnaKeshava

In the new age, patriotism is equal to bashing other countries. That is very egoistic IMO. Why do you need to put down other countries in order to show your country as better one?

Bold: Who told you this? Defending your country against slurs and onslaught is not exactly 'bashing other countries'.

And what do you want Indians to do when their country is being bashed by some other nation's members? Take it quietly and be mum?

Also, nobody here is saying India is the best; they are saying that "NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT". There's a difference.

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

We don't share same language or religion or ethnicity or even culture. It is just that one word India, which is keeping us all together, otherwise, India can today easily divided into hundreds of countries.

Daily we have people having differences, fights, disgust and so on, but at the end of the day when a problem arises to the whole of the subcontinent, the only word which unites us is India.

The day everyone stops caring about this word, either we have reached the Utopia with no borders or we are being slaves if someone else.

Word. Patriotism, nationalism, religion don't need to exist in an ideal world but our world has has not reached that level of utopia yet.

Although I am a moderate nihilist, I don't think humans need to exist at all so all this fighting is baseless anyway.