Rewriting History? - Page 6

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

Maayaa.. (Abhishek Bachchan calling his wife maya in KANK style 😉)
parents like me!! Now I am furthermore scared 😭😭😭

😆😆😆

It is not that there were no wars while we were growing up, but don;t you think the poylitics is getting uglier by the day. On a day to day basis, kids may be very fine. In fact, they have google search engines, they have Ipods, they have forums and what not! But where is the peace?
Not depressed, but I always speculate and feel a bit sorry for the new generation. I am delighted not having to study the past 20 years as history in my textbook 😃

Peace can only be acheived when all of us understand what mistakes we made in the past, not repeat them, stay on vigil, do not live in fear of an uncoming calamity.

The past 20 years of Indian history we have learnt an important lesson, hopefully the when the newer generation looks at it, they say, What kind of @$#!@ let this situation occur and change course of our country. Unless they read about it, they would not, for that, they need to have it in their History course😉

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

Sareg, I rarely go against ur opinion, as i don;t like to be wrong either 😉 .. yet, I am going back to my earlier post, in response to your statement of LEARNING from history. We have learnt NOTHING from the crusades. we have learnt nothing from our wars. we have learnt nothing from the lack of unity between hindu kings. we pretend that we have learnt. Since our generation learnt no lesson even after aceing history tests, neither will the next generations to come.

If you look at our history books, they have been written from a political correct standpoint. the number of deaths is a footnote, the backstabbing always takes a invisible mode in our history texts, why?

We have always written our texts such that they do not hurt someone's feelings, When I read about Aurangzeb, I keep on wondering, ok, he is the emperor, he is not going anywhere else, his wealth is not going anywhere, what is his motive of suppressing others?

Originally posted by: bhilwara

But if we had history written your way, all of those events we aren't supposed to remember it and could have been wiped out from our texts and then what would we have to look at and take lesson from? By providing these examples you just proved that if we don't learn anything from our history then we are doomed to repeat it! The point is, human brain is capable enough to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong to put things in perspective for historical events, so why not throw things out at them and trust them to judge it? Are you implying that few years down the road we should earse the memories of all the tragedies you just mentioned? When you say, past history is distorted; you are already taking a stance on it just like everybody else.[/quote]

How capable is a young mind of 12-14 to judge incidents like this? Lets not forget we are talking about History textbooks of young school going children.... And I am certainly not telling that kids should not be told about Ghauri's and Gahzni's invasions or Babar's and Aurangazeb's policies... I am just telling that it is not right to communally colour these historical events in the text books of school going kids .... Such analyses should be left to students of higher education who are apable enough to judge the situation for themselves...

I would suggest u read the context in which I replied... It was a reply to Sareg's comment that India does not care to retaliate even if 2000 of its ppl die in an attack... Comparing India with the USA...To which I replied that India's proximity to the culprits is preventing India from attacking...We cannot certainly influence Pakistani policies.... All I said was India cannot attack Pakistan and stay unharmed... Like how the US stayed after attacking Afghanistan...

And who said we said we should wipe off the history?? I just said that the communal angle of India's MEDIEVAL history should not be portrayed in the books of young children...

Let them learn about Ghori and Ghaznavi... But let them not be told that these people were " MUSLIMS who killed HINDUS to spead Islam.. And the Muslims in India are their descendants"

We should prevent children from developing a biased attitude towards other religions and people by not presenting facts in a communal manner... The so called Jehadis have been cashing on the religious animosity between Hindus and Muslims in India... And such communal representations in textbooks will only fuel the fire...

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

It is the greed Sareg. back then we had Aurangzeb. Now we have our own politicians.

In Maharashtrian text books, my elder brother learnt about Shivaji maharaj and his freedom struggle against Mughal invasion. My friend from calcutta learnt that Shivaji was a thief or equivalent. I am sure there will be some who learnt how Auragzeb was the mighty emperor! The only thing every Indian learns for sure is how great RAMA was! How about the unjust suppression of women blatantly advocated by his behaviour portrayed by his actions? Who will learn that?

How many Budhdhists know that Gautam Budhha, born as Prince Sidhdharth was a Hindu prince? 😕

Back Then we had Aurangzeb and co. , then we had British india company and co. . Now we have Mulayam, Sonia, and others. We may have progressed in one way, but what have we learnt from our mistakes? That's why I said, we learnt nothing from the kind of history we learnt.

Pakistani textbooks portray Aurangazeb as a mighty Emperor...

Thats my point exactly..... What are we trying to achieve by thrusting our point of view-our opinions- our beliefs on our younger generation? This amounts to brainwashing them and not teaching them........ And its not just the Hindu-Muslim issue... or the India-Pakistan issue... It can be anything...

I mean as a kid I was lead to believe (thanks to my HISTORY books) that Nathuram Godse was a fanatic and a man completely lacking in principles.... It was later that I realised that inspite of being a murderer, he was a patriot who loved his country as much as anyone else did...

Originally posted by: sareg

Peace can only be acheived when all of us understand what mistakes we made in the past, not repeat them, stay on vigil, do not live in fear of an uncoming calamity.

The past 20 years of Indian history we have learnt an important lesson, hopefully the when the newer generation looks at it, they say, What kind of @$#!@ let this situation occur and change course of our country. Unless they read about it, they would not, for that, they need to have it in their History course😉

Agreed... Let them read about it.... And knw plain facts...

But putting in the political/communal angle in a 12 yr old kid's history Course? 😕😕😕

Wht do u think we should teach our children 20 yrs hence..

1). "America under George W Bush attacked Afghanistan to hunt own terrorist groups in Afghanistan " OR

2). " The cowardly Americans under their hare brained President Mr George W Bush attacked Afghanistan to hunt down those terrorists the USA had been indirectly supporting for two decades."

😆😉

Disclaimer: The above statements do not intend to represent true facts or opinions.... They are just illustrations to show how facts can be twisted and distorted for convenience...

Originally posted by: swordfishh

Agreed... Let them read about it.... And knw plain facts...

But putting in the political/communal angle in a 12 yr old kid's history Course? 😕😕😕

Wht do u think we should teach our children 20 yrs hence..

1). "America under George W Bush attacked Afghanistan to hunt own terrorist groups in Afghanistan "

This is a true statement

OR

2). " The cowardly Americans under their hare brained President Mr George W Bush attacked Afghanistan to hunt down those terrorists the USA had been indirectly supporting for two decades."

This is an opiniated statement by a person who has no idea what kind of a pain a terrorist attack brings

😆😉

Disclaimer: The above statements do not intend to represent true facts or opinions.... They are just illustrations to show how facts can be twisted and distorted for convenience...

FYI,

I was very close to the towers when 9/11 happened, and a few days here or there, I would have been one of the casualties of 9/11, 6 of my very close friends died in 9/11

Also both my brothers were on the train when the '93 blasts occured in Mumbai

It makes me very satisfied, that Bush took care of the people in Afghanistan, and very pissed off b'cos we have Govts in India who just sit like are enunch's contemplating what losses they might face while the victims of the attacks languish in pain and the perpetrators are laughing their way to the bank plotting another attack

hence the reason

I want the children of tommorow to know what '93 bomb blasts meant, what 9/11 meant, what Aurangzeb meant and what Babar meant and what kind of enunchs we had as our rulers to let this things perpetrate on our soil v/s someone with guts went out and did something to solve the issue

Originally posted by: swordfishh

Pakistani textbooks portray Aurangazeb as a mighty Emperor...

Why should I care what Pakistan portrays of Aurangzeb? From all historic accounts it has been proved that he was a tyrant to the tune of Saddam, some even consider Saddam to be a pious leader a saccha religious person who gassed his own people, hundreds of thousand of them

Thats my point exactly..... What are we trying to achieve by thrusting our point of view-our opinions- our beliefs on our younger generation? This amounts to brainwashing them and not teaching them........

We are teaching them the truth, we know Aurangzeb was a ruler who was a tyrant, he tried to spread his religion by the sword here in India, yes, whereas Akbar was a king who spread the goodwill by his acts, that is the truth, There it says everything about the religious aspect.

Beleive me I debated from your POV with people from RSS at nauseum, but the conversation stops at Aurangzeb and Babar for them

And its not just the Hindu-Muslim issue... or the India-Pakistan issue... It can be anything...

Who cares what Pakistan thinks? All I care is what Indians should learn, Akbar was a great king, Aurangzeb was not simple, there are good people in the world, there are bad people in the world, it is not about religion, If you dont want to say Aurangzeb was bad, then stop saying Akbar was good, why do you want to portray all Mughal rulers were good emperors by means of association?

I mean as a kid I was lead to believe (thanks to my HISTORY books) that Nathuram Godse was a fanatic and a man completely lacking in principles.... It was later that I realised that inspite of being a murderer, he was a patriot who loved his country as much as anyone else did...

There..... you got the point about Congress distorting the history😉, you said it, There was Mr Mani Aiyer who made a statement about Sawarkar too, these good for nothing congress people are living on the good name of Indian National Congress, why should we beleive everything that they say, let the truth reflect in the history