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Posted: 6 years ago
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I find nothing wrong or anti-feminist to take your husband's surname lol if you have full agency in it.What matters is the fact that whether you had the option of not to as well. That option is proof of agency of self. Yes women are forced around the world to take their husband's surname but that's all patriarchy's fault. Its human rights that you have the freedom of choice.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Double post.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: FateBeChanged


the example above is a woman who is raised with a belief that men are right and she has no standing in the society without his acceptance otherwise..so she 'thinks' it is ok to be mistreated by him..it is not free will

are you implying it is the same in priyanka's case?..that she is forced to believe that she had no other choice but to keep her husband's surname? do you think nick jonas would have rejected her if she hadn't?:)

also even though western countries are more open-minded when it comes to women rights but taking the husband's name after marriage is a norm there too as well as wearing a wedding ring...would you call them backward too?



She is giving an example that everything done in the name of free will is not necessarily acceptable. Would you consider purdah, hijab, ghoonghat a free will then ? Aren't women being socially conditioned like that ? Isn't the whole religious identity mostly a result of social conditioning as well ? How is going to temple/mosque free will then ? Aren't people being brainwashed to believe in religion ?

Free will argument is fundamentally flawed according to me. Basically there is no free will, just an illusion of it.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

I find nothing wrong or anti-feminist to take your husband's surname lol if you have full agency in it.What matters is the fact that whether you had the option of not to as well. That option is proof of agency of self. Yes women are forced around the world to take their husband's surname but that's all patriarchy's fault. Its human rights that you have the freedom of choice.



Muslim women don't change their surnames after so it's mostly a western norm . Even in east asia , I think the names don't change after marriage
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Calling it "choice" is illusory. Your choices are based on societal expectations and pressures. It's the same reason some burkha wearers call it a choice but how when it's clearly something that's prescribed by their society and value is placed upon it and people who wear them are seen as 'better' or 'more traditional?'
Wives most of the time erase their own identity when they name their children so what difference does it make keeping their maiden name themselves?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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We are living in a simulated world. There is no free will. Its an illusion.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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We are clouded by a very western sense of oppression. They think anything thats' covered is oppression. Well that's bland white feminism for you. But if burqa wearers have a choice not to that's enough and they do have a choice in many parts of the world. If they wear the burqa then because of their own personal beliefs there's nothing wrong in that. That's freedom of choice too. In fact Muslim women have reclaimed the Burqa in so many countries. Like I said Patriarchy is the problem.
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"reclaimed the burkha" 🤣

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Luna46


Is that so? But what name will Neha's daughter take when she gets married? Mehr Dhupia Bedi<Husband's surname>? 😕

And what about Mehr's child? What name will he/she get? <First Name>Dhupia Bedi<Husband's surname>😲

Man, it'll be so much trouble while filling up forms of such loong names.🥱

Let's face it. This surname system doesn't support modern day feminism. Feminism is about equality between men and women, and this surname system can either be patriarchal or matriarchal. Even if women don't change their surnames after marriage, but when the couple has a child, they give him/her the husband's surname. Why? Because the child is seen as the son/daughter of his/her father first and foremost. Then comes other relations.

If we really want equality then we have to ditch this surname system completely. What's the need to know about our bloodline? I am who I am. I don't need anyone's name attached with me. I've my own identity.

This surname thing is also the root cause of caste-based and religion-based differences between people.

And to those who are talking about feminism being "free will", there are women in the backward classes o f society, who consider it right if their husband beats them for any mistake done by them. Will you also call it "free will"?


Imagine when Neha's child grows up, she happen to marry Amir's kid (Azad Rao Khan). What would that child's surname be ? In which order? Going for Alphabetical order would be good. "... " Bedi Dhupia Khan Rao..

I agree surname does denote difference (caste/religion). But removing surname will not change the social set up. In some South Indian states, surname practice is not present. (Only first name, one which is common among all communities). Still caste practice is not changed.

But one thing. Either you have one surname or don't have any surname. Even if you don't change your surname after marriage, it is still patriarchal. You are carrying your father's surname, not mother's.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: whispermist

"reclaimed the burkha" 🤣


And this is why Muslim women feel rejected by modern read 'white' feminism. Anyway, do read up. Guess someone missed out on the whole movement that started in 2014.

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