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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie



I humbly request you to enlighten me about this "money trail", because I am very clueless what you both are saying or projecting when Govt. through IT and RBI are saying another thing.




As mentioned, this is India so things are going to be slow as molasses.

The following is but one example of income tax department following the money trail:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/i-t-unearths-rs-246-crore-one-shot-tamil-nadu-bank-deposit/articleshow/60431647.cms

Rs 246 crores made in one single transaction after banking hours.
441 account-holders with cumulative bank deposits of Rs 240 crores untraceable.

Have patience. If you want, I can keep updating this post once a while.
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Posted: 8 years ago
^^ Great effort, K. It would be nice if we can check the usual numbers IT Department had before this policy and after for say 5 years. To get a better idea about efficiency of this policy.
Also an assessment of how much black money is in the form of "Cash" in comparison to other means like benami property etc. Last I checked IT said only 6% was cash. Lets see if that number changes over the course.

Actually https://thewire.in/173706/demonetisation-income-tax-base/ Interesting numbers, right? Also hope you see what I meant by Govt. changing statements, numbers by each passing day.

Been born and brought up in India and still have to work in close association with the Indian banks annually, pardon me if my cynicism is mistaken for lack of patience.



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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie

@K- You know why it's very difficult for me to acknowledge that it's okay, policies fail or intent was "good", because I and maybe most of us come from a place of privilege ,we could work with no cash for a week or more, we live in cities and probably have access to many basic rights because of our privilege on the basis of social, economic parameters .

But the real blow was on the lower economic strata who are not privileged , most of them make a living solely through cash , unorganized sector and daily wage . I overlooked them and hoped the Govt. had thought it through for them but you know what happened, as now RBI numbers show unorganized sector, lower income groups have shown the greater hit .Some have lost lives, business and dignity. Like this story , do give it a read and understand why I feel angry - http://www.hindustantimes.com/gurgaon/a-retired-soldier-in-tears-meet-the-man-who-has-become-the-face-of-cash-crunch-woes/story-lz6t3xneMMJlF1rlnzhRlK.html
Thats one story, we have so many such cases where poor have lost their hard-earned money, business overnight. It's then when you realize how privilege one has to be to ignore or take them for granted while framing , analyzing any policy especially in India . I don't need to tell you that those 100 odd deaths belong to which economic group or which age group.


lol what do we have here? Ghar ghar ki kahani episodes from hindustantimes?😆

you get the stories you want. HT is generally anti-modi. TOI is pro-whoever is in power... ET talks both sides of the mouth. In any case, taking one person's story out of 1.3 billion and trying to make an issue out of that is a bit too slick. We should try to get back to debating on merits, not personal chutkalas.😆

now here are some eco arguments for you.

1. India's growth rate was trending lower way before demonet. We were somewhere around 4.5% in 2013 before the stat dept magically revised it up later on. You might remember that too many scams had left decision makers shell-shocked and paralyzed. Economy wasnt moving.

2. Rajan showed up around 2013. Tight policy guy. In his anti-inflation drive, he contributed to growth slow down.

3. Rajan also went hard after non-performing bank assets. The hard nose policy together with high real interests was a big mistake. It was the one-two punch the economy did not need. Incidentally the NP loan problem is a result of the scam years of Congress 2009-13.

now think of this- what have central bankers all over the world done in response to slow down or other problems? They have generally pumped money into the system. Draghi, Greenspan, Bernanke, you name them, they have tried to inflate the economy out of debt and other problems. Not so Rajan. He had a single-minded focus on trying to bring down inflation and clean up the public sector banks.

here's again where he was wrong- India's high inflation rate was generally supply-side bottlenecks. Food and other essential items are not very responsive to interest rates. His tight policy was responsible for construction/ infrastructure/ investment growth to also stall out. It is precisely that kind of growth you need to get rid of supply-side bottlenecks. Unfortunately, Urjit Patel seems to have adopted rajan's policies. These guys need to be kicked out and we need to open the spending/ monetary spigot. That's what we need. All the talk about demonet causing this or that is hog wash!
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Posted: 8 years ago
I don't think I have agreed with Birdie on these many posts ever :)

Rajan during his term as RBI governor focused too much on the consumer price index and completely ignored wholesale price index. He kept the interest rates too high and refused to lower them even when WPI based inflation was going into the negative territory. Some poor schmucks were borrowing money at real interest rates close to 15% at one point.

Today, in an interview, he says "the government should not have done chest-thumping on being the fastest-growing economy without achieving very strong GDP expansion for 10 years!"

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/indicators/let-india-grow-at-8-10-for-10-years-before-chest-thumping-raghuram-rajan/articleshow/60424152.cms

Understandably he is sore on not bagging a second term as RBI governor, but come on, does he need to bi!ch so much about lack of growth, especialy when he himself was instrumental in curbing it with very questionable and debatable monetary policies?

Edited by K.Universe. - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Busy week so will keep it short. Pretty amusing to read the remarks about Rajan now, expected, even if he was first brought in the argument by you.
Wonder what made you cite him when he is nothing but sour petulant ex-RBI. Horror if I had dared to bring him in this debate first!!I like a good turncoat.

Will get to the economic numbers later, and cite, post all the recent RTIs' filed with IT and RBI. Will make a very interesting debate then.


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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

I don't think I have agreed with Birdie on these many posts ever :)

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lol thanks but what can i say? You finally grew a trillion brain cells?😆
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Busy week so will keep it short. Pretty amusing to read the remarks about Rajan now, expected, even if he was first brought in the argument by you.

Wonder what made you cite him when he is nothing but sour petulant ex-RBI. Horror if I had dared to bring him in this debate first!!I like a good turncoat.

Will get to the economic numbers later, and cite, post all the recent RTIs' filed with IT and RBI. Will make a very interesting debate then.



all well CG? Really concerned because in your first para you are implying that we brought in Rajan first, only to wonder in the second para if you had done so first. Seems like the mind has gone for a walk.😆 Or maybe you're trying to be funny, sarcastic, or witty. Fell flat there too😆

btw here's more good stuff for you:

1. GDP numbers are notoriously difficult to measure. Should be simple, but it isn't. You need a basic course in eco to understand that. So dont sweat it out trying to cherry pick and stick together those numbers from various reports.😉

2. as we progress, sooner or later India's informal sector will have to shrink. Demonet just hastened the process. But point to understand is there's no place for those jobs in the modern economy. Adjustment, whenever it happens, will be painful. It's better that people in these sectors figure out sooner than later where their bread is buttered and train themselves for the power economy.😊

btw talking of informal economy, the joke about workers in it is following- if you notice, you will find 4 guys show up for any job eg. window washing. One guy is doing the job. 1 guy is carrying his tools. 2 guys are watching him, presumably to learn. Very unproductive. Ab aise kab tak chal sakta hai?😉
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

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One guy is doing the job. 1 guy is carrying his tools. 2 guys are watching him, presumably to learn. Very unproductive. Ab aise kab tak chal sakta hai?😉




Agree! You can do the job and hold the tools while doing it. Don't need your friends around.

My office window aint that big!

😊
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Posted: 8 years ago


Hello!

The problem with an open-ended Hello like yours is, if someone's there "at home", they are forced to respond, even if your hello may not be directed at them :))
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Posted: 8 years ago
How the hell does Sadiq Khan still have a job?!

P.S: those threat levels are a joke!

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