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Originally posted by: Heisenberg17.

So the fat brown buffalo has been acquitted in the poaching case.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

I think we do a mistake if we dismiss or categorise Burhan Wahi as just your usual sns creation.Because modern terrorism has changed and he by today's definition was a militant , this is how they work aka ISIS types. Or the Bangladeshi ones. While terrorist attacks might have increased the "recruiting from the valley" was decreasing. Yes, I do agree the mishandling by Army, Govt and State during 2009-2010 first sowed the seeds of dissent but the shift in the protests in Valley , very reminiscent of 90s happened after 2013 when again coming out in support of militant processions became popular.

Army and Analysts were anticipating it for months. But this is worrying now because it took India a decade and more to make guns "uncool" for the youth, but people like Wani and now this procession might push us back to the 90s which is dark times.

HT did a cover story on these youngsters like Wani , interviewed their families . Wani's dad was unapologetic about his son joining militancy . He connected it with religion ,the connect of Jihaad. Funny this isn't your poorer section of Kashmir but able , well off and many of these youngsters had educational experiences outside Kashmir . The idea of encouraging the youth and then justifying using religion is so sad and pathetic .

I don't say Army and Govt are not guilty of letting this happen. Equally responsible especially about denialism . You have special status to Kashmir, every allocation but it rarely or never translate in the development of the State. Also, it's about time, when the situation improves , we must relax Afspa in Kashmir and Manipur , if not revoke it completely..because that is never happening.

At the same time, the whole idea of Azad Kashmir is so illogical. Is POK free? They will either turn into another Afghanistan or China would take complete control and do exodus of Muslims like it did in it's remote areas. It is just not an option. Never will any Govt of any country will give up.

This Govt is not equipped with dealing with rioters and thats not just limited to kashmir but in Haryana- during Jatt riots(which was a bigger mess) or the Gujjar ones. Also, the whole idea of shutting down the internet communication, press is silly..we paid the price of it during Operation Blue Star, check Turkey will did something similar this week..this never works. Infact you are agitating a generation which considers internet as a Birthright.

We cannot afford to go back to 90s and we need to, every party, take some hard decisions.

But I am so amazed at the stupidity of liberals in india when they too refuse to call Wani a terrorist or hark about Azad Kashmir - what do they even mean by that? Because it's cool these uni students and pseudo liberals take to the street shouting semantics which make no sense and end up glorifying militancy and people like Wani.

Prolonged army presence in any part of the world gives (and always has given)rise to human rights violations, that's a sad but immutable fact. Don't know if there's any way to control that, except may be the presence of a regulated UN peacekeeping force, which is out of the question insofar as Kashmir is concerned. AFSPA needs to undergo some major changes as far as holding a separate court martial for Army offenders is concerned. Offences by Army-men should be brought under the purview of the Civil and Criminal Offences judiciary. But that's nearly impracticable as of now, since it will lead to a huge uproar in the ranks. Already the Government has earned huge disfavour with the Army over the not-too-long-ago OROP agitations. (Admittedly though, some of the demands were inadmissible).

Hurriyat Conference hardliners form a huge part of the problem, especially the Tehreek-e-Hurriyat hardliner faction led by SAS Geelani. They need to be reined in by a great part if we ever hope to get the people on Kashmir on our side. And the only way to do that is infiltration by the Research & analysis wing, which was crippled in the leg by that imbecile Morarji Desai. Anyway, I'm digressing.

The fact of the matter is that it's extremely easy to just see one side of the deal and criticise. We never really come to know of the circumstances the Army has to face on a hostile turf they have to inhabit 24*7. Living within a circle of fire (both figuratively and literally) takes a severe toll on you. As for the pellet-blinding incidents, I don't condone them, but we should also dwell on the alternatives available, of if there are any at all.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

I cannot stand Salman at all.

Originally posted by: Arwen.

What the hell is a duvet and why do I need it 😡