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Posted: 10 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: zorrro



Its like saying if you are a doctor and true to your profession you got to be living in dire conditions to prove your dedication to your work.

It's not like saying that, at all.

Just imagine if all the good doctors were to decide to live only in the rural places how would we have the modern health facilities that we flock to?

I believe I was talking about family practitioners (general physicians) and not "specialists" when talking about shortage of doctors in rural areas. I was also emphasizing "diagnosis" and not "cure". Of course, even after a diagnosis, most people in the rural areas cannot afford the "cure" but that's a different problem altogether.

The main point I was interested in addressing is their unwillingness to work in rural areas. Which is where their "passion to save lives" comes in.


The required infrastructure simply does not exist in the villages to run them.😊

Knowledge, a stethoscope and a first aid kit will be enough "infrastructure" as a starting point.


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Posted: 10 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: ScorpionGunner

What a pathetic decision has been taken by Govt. 🤢
Now all foreign P@rn websites are blocked ! No work only moral policing, what a disappointment, is it the digital revolution has been dreaming by govt. It seems BJP don't want to retain the power in 2019 😡 Going back to the stone age



Damn!

That's really harsh!

Use proxies and if that doesn't work, as a last resort, your imagination.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: K.Universe.



Damn!

That's really harsh!

Use proxies and if that doesn't work, as a last resort, your imagination.


Yeah using VPN 😆 interestingly all Desi sites are working fine, matlab govt. make in India promote kar raha hain 😃
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Posted: 10 years ago
#54
I remember the days of VCRs when we used to secretly ask the video shop owner to rent us the blue films. don't think the younger generation understands what we had to do to watch one XXX movie.

Well there is always Proxies, VPNs and TOR to help you out when you are oppressed by your moral police.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#55


👏


Zorro, K basically summed it up. Also there are many examples of doctors working in rural area under the worst conditions and less resources to basically help the needy, eg. doctors with out borders...


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Posted: 10 years ago
#56
^^Thanks Aarya, but that clapping emoticon embarrasses me to no end 😆

Put another way, if a physician capable of helping patients in any environment has an option to work in an urban area as well as a rural area and if that physician still chooses to work in a rural area keeping the needs of the rural people in mind knowing fully well that the comforts offered by an urban area will simply be absent in a rural setting, what exactly is driving that physician to do so? More passion? More compassion? For a doctor, what relation do passion and compassion hold?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Doctor if he's passionate for his service it's obvious he would be compassionate. Passionate indicates, he knows his duty very well, has sincerely taken the pledge laid for medical professionals . The topmost oath being serve the human kind. Hence passion has to do a lot with compassion.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: -Aarya-




Zorro, K basically summed it up. Also there are many examples of doctors working in rural area under the worst conditions and less resources to basically help the needy, eg. doctors with out borders...


I am sorry but I dont see how Aarya😕 I understand that a doctor who is averse to serving in the rural area under any circumstance has his priority elsewhere. At the same time the reason for working in a village may be out of some compulsion for all you know. I dont get the logic of a medical professional being termed as more dedicated or passionate because he happens to work in a rural area against those who may be working much harder in a city. What you guys are talking about looks more like a missionary --a mother Teressa type who sacrifices her all for saving the downtrodden lives! You seem to forget that we are talking about professionals and not some social worker which actually dont need to belong to this field. Just about anyone can work for charity for people's welfare. What stops them? As a medical professional he also has a duty to continually upgrade his professional knowledge and skill and seek ways to improve the present logjam. Simply giving firstaid and referring patients elsewhere can be easily handled by lesser qualified personnel like the ANMs or anganwadi workers. Why a MBBS doctor or MD doctor for that? If people really expect the village conditions to improve then people from every walk will have to contribute so that the MBBS or MD doctor is able to do justice to his knowledge in treating people. Have good lab facilities, x-ray facilities without which its like working blind. Pharma companies can provide subsidised medicines, medical appliances, equipments to set these up. The engineers and architects can contribute by helping to build good hospitals, labs or dispensaries without their usual "commercial interests" to enable better delivery of health services. The computer professionals can help in better e-connectivity by volunteering their knowledge and skill. I wonder what stops them from helping to save lives? Why leave that only to a particular profession? Many medical colleges in India now have facilites for telemedicine and video conferencing where their medical experts do give"free" guidance, diagnosis and assistance to the hospitals in far flung areas. Most of them do not get any extra pay for all the time and expert advice they dole out. Many training sessions are also provided free. The number of ever increasing patients seen in the public hospitals in the cities are accommodated by these professionals without any incentive for the huge numbers of patients seen. Yet they do their duty day and night, holiday or not, with hardly any break. all this while attending to their academic and other administrative duties unlike those posted in the villages. How are these being considered less passionate than those in the rural areas is what I fail to understand ???? If saving lives is the measure for passion then those with better facilities at their disposal are doing a much better job and over and above that they also contribute to a much larger extent by training other professionals and also general public through their academic contribution. Some at the senior levels also play an important role by influencing govt policies. All that is done with the goal of serving the people. There isn't any financial benefits in most of these activities in case you think otherwise.

When needed people should not hesitate to work under adverse conditions like you guys are saying. But your expectation to "give up" an established practice to migrate to an area where they do not get to realize their full potentials of skill is impractical. There can be many ways to contribute their expertise "more efficiently" "without" having to physically "relocate permanently". More lives could be saved this way without having to "sacrifice" their own lives. That way more people can get involved. The govt has a role to play which it does not. It can easily make rural posting for all new doctors compulsory like being done in some states and levy a hefty bond or price for those opting for off shore lucrative posts. The country does not benefit one bit from such emigrants. Those investing huge amounts as fees and other expenses in studying in pvt medical colleges may be exempted perhaps . Incentives in the form of preference during admission to higher studies to those who served in rural areas as being done in Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra, some states of NE could serve as a motivation for all students. This should apply to all fields and not only medical. Hoping others to leave established practices and move to the villages isn't going to yield much result. Creating conditions for everyone to want to go there would.

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Posted: 10 years ago
#60

Originally posted by: K.Universe.



Put another way, if a physician capable of helping patients in any environment has an option to work in an urban area as well as a rural area and if that physician still chooses to work in a rural area keeping the needs of the rural people in mind knowing fully well that the comforts offered by an urban area will simply be absent in a rural setting, what exactly is driving that physician to do so? More passion? More compassion? For a doctor, what relation do passion and compassion hold?


May be and may be not 😆
1.The reasons could be as varied as having old parents in the village to look after. --- A good dutiful responsible son.
2. His wife belongs to that place and wouldnt dream of moving to the cities ---A good loving caring husband.😛
It could work the other way too if wife wants him to migrate.
3. A professional who would like to work without the sort of accountability in a corporate set up--- ??
4. Someone who is fed up of the hustle bustle in the city and would prefer a quiet life during retirement age. 🤓
5. A young doctor serving compulsory posting to improve chances of securing PG seat later -- practical decision 😊
6. Someone who has a martyr's gene 🤔
7. Plain loony
8. Adventure seeking ---bold doctor with raging hormones 😲

I think passion and compassion shouldnt be confused. Passion for profession or work was what we started out with. As a professional there would be many aspects of the work that needs to be considered. Saving lives is just one narrow aspect. Passion is what gives us a high 😛
A sense of accomplishment surely gives a high. Accomplishment can be in terms of success- seen as fame, money, reputation, qualifications, papers published , and also clinical outcome of treatment. For some the outcome may not be as satisfying as the process involved. So I think its difficult to generalise that those who give up an established practice are dedicated or passionate and those who stick to their grind in the urban areas are not dedicated.

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