Why does God turn a blind eye ?

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#71

Originally posted by: _Angie_

I guess that takes care of the pain relievers. What else does your version of a perfect world with no pain, hardships, struggle or cruelty envision ? 😛

As a starting point, when I am contemplating about important matters, my perfect world would have no distractions, with thoughts moving at the speed of light :)

Nice compilation by the way.

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-Aarya-

@-Aarya-

Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

#72

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

I dispute that we only have knowledge to discuss human struggle.

I had a feeling you would state the above.

Do you want to elaborate on a particular animal/creature, or so you want to stick with human (the other animal 😆)

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#73

Originally posted by: -Aarya-

I had a feeling you would state the above.

Good. I am hard-pressed for time otherwise I would elaborate how exactly the nervous system works in mammals for them to experience pain.

Do you want to elaborate on a particular animal/creature, or so you want to stick with human (the other animal 😆)

I am not sure. I don't find anyone on my wavelength so I am thinking of keeping all thoughts on this matter to myself moving forward :) Either all life has value or no life has value. I don't think the ability to reason should somehow place human life above all other life, in terms of value; pain is pain without regard for where the creature is on the food chain. if there's a Creator, that's how his logic should work. IMO.

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Summer3

@Summer3

Trailblazer

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Posted: 10 years ago

#74

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

I thought all life is one just that we are unaware. But yes since bodies are different certain rules apply.

Generally humans are considered the crown of creation with ability to escape rebirths.

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sudesh kumar

@qwertyesque

Rocker

Posted: 10 years ago

#75

Originally posted by: Summer3
Frankly I think there is no one answer and whatever works for one may not work for the rest. As they say when a doctor asks you to take a certain herb it does not mean everyone else should eat the same. So the approach and attitude towards a Higher Being is different for each, but here we stray from the topic as to why this Higher Being seems nonchalant. Nonchalant does not mean that He is unaware...perhaps a role of being the Destroyer is being carried out or karma being fulfilled. I read about a case of a young graduate drowning in the Temple Pond, and none knew that it was what he had always been praying for in his past lives ( here most would blame the poor Temple Deity or God for the mishap or argue why not keep him alive longer ).
On Karma , yes Nishkam Karma is recommended, attitude is at the mental and emotional level.

I dont think thats a relevant analogy. Your underlying assumption is the concept of God is subjective. That can't be. Can you say there is that God of Imaandar Chor jo bahut imaandari aur ibadat sey apne kaam ko anjaam deta hai... and believes that its ordained by God!!!? Except for karma nothing explains such and other anomalies of life.. if you visit the mental asylum, people with the lost state of conscious realization have no way to reach God your way... they only prove god cant exist!!.

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#76

Originally posted by: Summer3

Generally humans are considered the crown of creation ...

That sounds presumptuous but till we encounter a more intelligent life, I guess we can forgive that arrogance.

By the way, why are we assuming that the Creator, if exists, is inherently good? Why can't the creator be evil? What if the devil is at the helm? Think about it.

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Summer3

@Summer3

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Posted: 10 years ago

#77

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

That sounds presumptuous but till we encounter a more intelligent life, I guess we can forgive that arrogance.

By the way, why are we assuming that the Creator, if exists, is inherently good? Why can't the creator be evil? What if the devil is at the helm? Think about it.

Yes I believe in entities that appear invisible to us and yet have an existence of their own, far advanced too.

Because all major religions teach only good I guess the Creator prefers good over evil. Still both negative and positive must have arisen from the same source; and yet the Creator is ever unaffected and never changes, only Creation undergoes all change. It is a beautiful depiction.

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Angel-likeDevil

@Angel-likeDevil

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Posted: 10 years ago

#78

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

It is stoic to say that pain and suffering are a natural by-product.

However, I don't see a need for life to embrace stoicism. Smacks of Stockholm Syndrome to me.

A dog-eat-dog world where one organism can only survive at the expense of another is an imperfect system, not to mention unscrupulous. If that is the only viable system, life is better off without it.

The whole point is that if there is a Creator, the Creation should have been "more intelligent" where there are no undesirable consequences. And if the consequences are unavoidable, there shouldn't have been a creation to begin with.

On the other hand, if there is no Creator, then there is no debate here.

Pain is pain because we have neurotransmitters. Existence/universe doesn't know no pain or pleasure. It's us living creatures :) And as pain is inevitable, life is so heartbreakingly beautiful, we are bound to bear suffering with stoic resignation.

The "intelligent" life(or universe) only knows change. It is neutral. There is nothing positive or negative. It is us, ones with nervous system that label this and that "pain", "pleasure", positive, negative etc. The ginormous Earth on which us living creatures live, is a tiny spec in this infinite universe, what is our "pain" now?.

Actually, in the whole universe, pain and suffering are too tiny, it is just because of damn nerves. Isn't pain good btw? Pain is just another sensation. It can be enjoyed too. My existence has given me pleasures, it is my same existence that is giving me pain, maybe, it is doing so to make me grow or maybe something unknown to me. How will we understand when the existence is more intelligent than us? How can WE say it could've been more intelligent, when it is more intelligent than us.

Edited by Angel-likeDevil - 10 years ago

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13thwish

@13thwish

Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

#79

Isn't the greatest fallacy of this argument the assumption that the Creator and the Creation(I'm including ALL creation in this one bracket, inanimate and animate) separate entities in the first place?

If I am the Doer and I am that unto which all is done, then it is only MY will that determines, well pretty much everything..

Also if subject and object are ONE then where is the question of consent or need for assumed responsibility?

What is enlightenment if not the realization that is in fact, simply how things have always been and how they will always be..

Being able to look through the prism of perceived duality and see oneself reflected in both sides of the equation, isn't that the ultimate answer?

But if we're going to be literal and irreverent, I like the idea that "God" is a sexily dressed, all powerful sadist.. BDSM is so trendy these days😆

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Summer3

@Summer3

Trailblazer

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Posted: 10 years ago

#80

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

I dont think thats a relevant analogy. Your underlying assumption is the concept of God is subjective. That can't be. Can you say there is that God of Imaandar Chor jo bahut imaandari aur ibadat sey apne kaam ko anjaam deta hai... and believes that its ordained by God!!!? Except for karma nothing explains such and other anomalies of life.. if you visit the mental asylum, people with the lost state of conscious realization have no way to reach God your way... they only prove god cant exist!!.

Basically God sets all on the proper path and treats each according to their needs.

It is said that though God is impartial yet He responds to those that are close and call upon Him. He often lessens the impact of their bad Karma; a jab of anesthetic to relieve the pain. The Karma has to be cleared but it becomes painless. Anyway the relationship between God and the is devotee is all personal and God can be whatever each individual makes Him out to be.

Edited by Summer3 - 10 years ago

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