Why does God turn a blind eye ? - Page 5

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Sounds too mechanical, too robotic.

Let's take a real life example. In the Antarctic, we have emperor penguins who have to endure freezing temperatures and deadly cold to protect their young while the female penguins go on a long trek back to sea in search of food with no guarantee of returning and in the process leaving a few baby penguins as orphans to die of hunger and cold later.

How would you convince the penguins that this is necessary to "influence the evolutionary trajectory"?

Take another real life example. In the African Savannah, we have male lions savagely killing off cubs to advance their genes. How would you convince the cubs whose skulls are getting crushed that it is just an "electrochemical reaction"?

I m not sure if we can rationalize pain like that.

Will try to take a more emotional approach if you say so : ))

There never is a guarantee to anything yet the mama penguin takes the arduous journey out of her love for the young one. Not doing so would cause her emotional distress. So though the objective appears to be feeding the young one the mama penguin is actually giving in to her own emotions when she decides to take that journey. In other words each life form consciously or instinctly attempts to adjust its actions to ensure a state of its own mental or emotional wellbeing.

Nature or Creator hasn't plotted against the Penguins. The harsh cold conditions is common to all who stay on in that region. Some animals migrated and adapted whereas some decided to stay on and adapt to the Antarctica. If there is the cold condition to contend with there is also the fact that there are less predators to watch out for (Only polar bears and the Orkas would be cause for worry I think).

Penguins don't need any convincing since I doubt that they seek any.

The case of the lions in the African savannahs gets even more interesting. What appears as savage killing of their own cubs to advance their genes cannot be termed as cruel or unintelligent. Cruelty in the strict sense of the term implies a malicious intent to harm or cause pain. Other than humans no other animal is known to be capable of malicious intent. The cubs for their part are not seeking any answer to the savage behaviour of their parents and hence no convincing sought or required. They take life as it happens. Only human beings have the capability of seeking answers and tried to come up with more humane ways to advance desirable genetic pool through all those stressful R&D in the field of genetic science, technology, industrial , economic and political field working towards that goal. The animals seem to have achieved the same goal of advancing better genes without much ado.

Unlike animals, the human beings have the capability to realise the impermanence of all forms they see around themselves yet the attachment to hold on to the ephemeral causes suffering. Do humans have the capability to get over such attachments and overcome suffering or has the Creator been too unkind in denying that capability to the human beings!

Originally posted by: _Angie_

All things undesirable does not necessarily have to be unintelligent. Drowning in the flood waters was undesirable for those who died but the changes in fertility of the soil brought about by the floodwaters could be desirable to others. Intelligent or not would have to be seen in the broader context. A pity that the complete picture is unavailable to us.

Originally posted by: _Angie_

There never is a guarantee to anything yet the mama penguin takes the arduous journey out of her love for the young one. Not doing so would cause her emotional distress. So though the objective appears to be feeding the young one the mama penguin is actually giving in to her own emotions when she decides to take that journey. In other words each life form consciously or instinctly attempts to adjust its actions to ensure a state of its own mental or emotional wellbeing.

Nature or Creator hasn't plotted against the Penguins. The harsh cold conditions is common to all who stay on in that region. Some animals migrated and adapted whereas some decided to stay on and adapt to the Antarctica. If there is the cold condition to contend with there is also the fact that there are less predators to watch out for (Only polar bears and the Orkas would be cause for worry I think).

Penguins don't need any convincing since I doubt that they seek any.

The case of the lions in the African savannahs gets even more interesting. What appears as savage killing of their own cubs to advance their genes cannot be termed as cruel or unintelligent. Cruelty in the strict sense of the term implies a malicious intent to harm or cause pain. Other than humans no other animal is known to be capable of malicious intent. The cubs for their part are not seeking any answer to the savage behaviour of their parents and hence no convincing sought or required. They take life as it happens. Only human beings have the capability of seeking answers and tried to come up with more humane ways to advance desirable genetic pool through all those stressful R&D in the field of genetic science, technology, industrial , economic and political field working towards that goal. The animals seem to have achieved the same goal of advancing better genes without much ado.

Unlike animals, the human beings have the capability to realise the impermanence of all forms they see around themselves yet the attachment to hold on to the ephemeral causes suffering. Do humans have the capability to get over such attachments and overcome suffering or has the Creator been too unkind in denying that capability to the human beings!

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Most of you are looking at this from the point of view of humans.

I am more interested in looking at the pain and suffering from the point of view of life itself, along the evolutionary timeline. Humans are not the be-all-and end-all in my perspective.

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Alright K, lets have your version of a perfect world with no pain, suffering, unnatural death or brutality as you put it. I hope you do have one 😆 No world or no life is not a valid answer.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Other than a few humans, most animal species aren't seeking answers. They are seeking a means to survival. But are they enjoying a life without struggle?

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Who says you cannot enjoy life while seeking answers ? Its quite possible for people to enjoy the process of seeking otherwise they wouldnt indulge in it. 😆 Suffering happens when you get attached to a particular outcome and find alternative outcomes unacceptable.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

i think if God did not turn a blind eye, then sooner or later we'd have someone come along and ask "Why is God interfering"?😆

let's imagine this is a game with one simple rule- that of karma. Your previous deeds catch up with you. Would you want a higher authority interfering and affecting how the game turns out? Wouldn't that be match-fixing?😆

borrowing again from the parent/ child analogy,maybe God created it all in the heat of the moment,, after a one night stand or something😆. I mean we take ourselves too seriously. This might all be a quick thing for Him, something he did not bother too much about. He might now regret how the world (kid) turned out and might wish he'd done things differently, like creating rules or laws of physics that worked differently and that guaranteed happiness all the time. But short of destroying it all, he's probably helpless...like a mother who loves her kids but is ultimately powerless to do anything other than kill her child.

but all that is supposing he regrets what has been created. Maybe it is just us whiny humans who are not too happy. Maybe he's fine with it all... We'll never know, will we?

In any case, you cant hold God responsible for how creation turns out, same as you cant hold parents responsible for how their kids turn out.. For someone to do that, they're getting on very slippery slope. They'll ultimately be looking for handouts from their parents all their lives. Bad, very bad kid.😆.