Is Karvachauth wrong? - Page 7

Originally posted by: AishuHiBawari

I was not hectoring you. It's just that your analogy could very easily be taken as offensive. You compared someone who chooses not to participate in KC to an ugly person who doesn't like the idea of beauty and a stupid student who doesn't want to study. Don't you see how that can be offensive? We had this whole debate about how people who chose to fast should be respected. It works the other way as well. People who choose not to fast should be respected, too.

And I'm not saying that beauty is a bad thing. It's just that the idea of beauty is extremely subjective. What I think is beautiful, you might not. There is no set standard, and I don't think you can ever quantify beauty. So, to call someone "ugly" is just an extremely useless statement because that only means that the person referred to doesn't fit into your idea of beauty, but might in someone else's perspective. What's worse is when the way you look makes other people treat you differently. There is nothing wrong with thinking someone or something is beautiful, but if you treat that person differently than a regular person, that is bad. And plus, your external appearance doesn't reflect anything on your character. You look like your parents, who looked like their parents. That doesn't say anything about what kind of a person you are. But your actions, what you do, what you say, and even your knowledge, to an extent, do. In other words, it's what's on the inside that counts.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

wrong again on both fronts. I compared people making VIRULENT ATTACKS. Please don't mis-characterize my position. Again, I am fine with those opposed to KC, but it sure seems funny when someone would want to characterize people with terms such as misogynist just because they dont find the practice of KC offensive or discriminatory.

now for the point about beauty which seems to rankle you. Sorry, everything then can be said to count. It just depends on context. If i want a surgeon, i don't care how she looks. If i want a date, then she better be good looking. No one would want to marry someone who looks like a dog, would they? Yes, beauty is subjective but it is also not as subjective as you are making it out to be. Most people can and do agree on how someone looks, same as for any other trait. But if you want to quibble on, then i can point out that even goodness and apple pie are subjective.In any case, what was the point? You dig inner beauty, great. Go for it. Hope that makes you happy.😆

Originally posted by: joie de vivre

It's a relic of a shockingly misogynistic past. A woman's social status and worth is tied to her husband's existence, which is why she prays for his long life, because without him, she is worthless and a social pariah. India's treatment of widows has been - and remains to be - absolutely and staggeringly barbaric. How ANY woman can NOT feel insulted by this load of drivel is beyond me.

As for women 'choosing' to partake in this sh!t... it's a bit like Muslim women who choose to wear the burqa and call it their 'choice' or women who get boob-jobs and expect society to treat that as something not deserving censure because they are just exercising their volition. These women might be making a choice, but they are also entrenching misogyny and inequality and their actions indicate that they are victims of a culture of inescapable misogyny and sexism.

The sooner women come to their senses and stop showing totally unwarranted and unnecessary respect to their husbands, the sooner these men will learn how to see women as their equal. As for the in-laws, they should fu(k off to the darkest circle of hell or mind their own damn business. Cultural relativism shouldn't be used here as a get out of jail card in these cases.

Originally posted by: AishuHiBawari

Did I ever say I called you a mysogynist because you don't oppose KC? I spent a good few posts defending the right of women to choose KC. No, but the fact that you would make insulting comparisons to someone who would argue against KC is just wrong. If they make a valid point, can't it be taken as such without saying that the said person is like a stupid kid/ugly woman just because she argues against something? We're all civilized human beings, aren't we? Can't we have a discussion without making insulting remarks about each other?

And as far as the subjectivity of beauty goes, the idea of beauty changes every single day because of pop culture and what's "in" or not. It's fine if you have a preference for the type of woman that you would date, but don't say, "no one wants to marry someone who looks like a dog." That is very hateful and people do not look like dogs. It's because people like you who say things like that that so many women have a negative outlook on their body image. People come in all shapes and sizes and colors, and they are all beautiful!

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

of course that was my point and thanks for explaining it so well

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

here is the reference- "but given the virulence of the attacks, i am beginning to wonder if the women arguing against KC want to drag all women down to their level.😆" Given the context of that statement, once again please dont mis-characterize my position. If you dont get context or qualifiers, ask around. Better still, ask a lawyer😆. I am through trying to explain it any more.

now talking of beauty or lack thereof, i am fine with people wanting to marry dogs. I really am😆. I just didn't think it was possible, but then i suppose anything's possible.😆 By the way, this is getting as ridiculous as it gets with the latest body image talk. If it makes you happy, sure, everyone is beautiful. Can the rest of us now decide who we find "desirable", or is "desirability" a problem too? The only thing that should be a turn on is goodness, even though that's also subjective? 😆

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Burqas and boob jobs are red herrings to the topic at hand.

Sometimes I seriously contemplate wearing full burqua all the time. That way I can just roll out of bed, slip on the cover and head gear and not fuss over hairdos and what I shall wear that day.

Originally posted by: _Angie_

That there is no festival where men can express their gratitude or love for the women in their lives is a glaring anomaly.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Angie, is this a complaint or a rueful admission?

If on one hand, we are portraying that this festival is voluntarily observed by women, and on the other hand, we are pointing out that men are not coming up with a festival as some sort of a quid pro quo, isn't the "voluntarism" of the original deed, defeated?