Is Karvachauth wrong? - Page 5

Originally posted by: AishuHiBawari

But do you see what you are doing here? You are saying that women should be like this, they should be like that. They should change their way of living just to make a point. You are creating rules for women, saying that they should do the opposite of what society expects them to do, and in that, you are imposing rules on them just like society is.

I am a feminist, and I believe that all women deserve respect regardless of what PERSONAL choices they make. Personal, as in, they are theirs to make alone. Whether or not a woman fasts doesn't affect anyone's life but hers, so it is HER choice. Selective abortion, raising her sons differently than her daughters, etc were NOT EVEN IN THE DISCUSSION. They don't relate to the topic at all. If she is selectively killing female babies, yes, that is wrong as hell. If she is treating her sons differently than her daughters, that is wrong too! But what she wears, whether she fasts, that doesn't affect anyone else, so how is that wrong? If she chooses to do it, then it's her business, not yours. In regards to the burkha: if a woman has the right to expose her body, she has the right to cover it. You cannot decide whether it is right or wrong.

Just because she chooses to fast, she chooses to wear a burkha, she chooses have a breast augmentation, that does not in any way mean that she is bowing down to patriarchy. There are so many different kinds of women out there! Open your eyes! And they should be able to make their own personal choices as long as they don't harm anyone else. And feminism seeks to impower women, regardless of whether they follow a certain faith or not. Karvachauth is a religious festival in which the woman fasts for the long life of a husband. You can say that there is inequality there, but it's not as if men don't fast for their wives. IN FACT, MANY MEN DO!

I think what the problem is that people keep making up rules for what a woman should do. Some say she should fast, some, like you, say that she shouldn't ever fast. But the idea behind feminism is that she should be able to do what she wants to do. Karvachauth is neither right nor wrong. It is simply a choice that should be left completely up to the woman who does it.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

I think misogyny is too strong a word and is not applicable in this context. Inequality yes, but certainly not misogyny.

I followed the etymology of this festival and I don't see how a "hatred of women" or "sexual objectification of women" or "violence against women" led the then society to come up with this festival, unless you have factual evidence to the contrary, that some of us are not privy to.

Originally posted by: joie de vivre

Originally posted by: charminggenie

@ Mr. K- you really think women will wiki about karwa Chauth and decide about participating on the basis of it's definition.

If it made to Wiki without getting tagged, that would mean WikiProject ensured the use of verified, reliable source for the content.

Which means, that particular Wiki article would be reflecting reality.

In essence, what I meant in that post was to make my proposal (celebrate together, fast together, pray together) a reality. Simple as that.

As for choice, I agree that the choice is up to the individual, provided it doesn't manifest into a social ill and doesn't negatively impact the society.

Personally, I don't see this festival degenerating into a social ill and I didn't come across anyone who convinced me that it is a social ill. It might put pressure on those who do not want to participate but such pressures are a fact of life.

Karva chauth is it is popularly known and celebrated is a festival where the woman fasts for her husband's long life. Of course as times change many men do keep a fast with their wives or request that these traditions not be followed. But this is still a woman fasting for her man. It is an inequality.

While I respect a woman's choice to keep a fast, for society in the long term I would like to see either the festival end or evolve to something that is equal to both husband and wife.

This makes me wonder, can I fast for someone's short life. 🤔

@Mr K- you really had to go all techno on me about wiki. Give this girl a break, I gave you a Raj from DDLJ, women in particular and men by default still follow that great man's footsteps.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

This makes me wonder, can I fast for someone's short life. 🤔

HAHA

Another twist: if one partner in a gay or lesbian couple would like to fast for the 'longevity" of the other, would that still be categorized as inequality?

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Karva chauth is it is popularly known and celebrated is a festival where the woman fasts for her husband's long life. Of course as times change many men do keep a fast with their wives or request that these traditions not be followed. But this is still a woman fasting for her man. It is an inequality.

While I respect a woman's choice to keep a fast, for society in the long term I would like to see either the festival end or evolve to something that is equal to both husband and wife.

This makes me wonder, can I fast for someone's short life. 🤔

Originally posted by: joie de vivre

Not because they put women at discomfort. If you can't bother to read my previous posts again and counter my points, please at least don't come up with a lousy strawman argument.

Furthermore, you're conflating too many disparate things here (one night stands?), and then have a pop at 'women's lib'. You sound like a certain type of desi person who has issues wrt some of the freedom's women enjoy in more permissive societies and cling to anachronistic traditions as some sort of talisman against this new breed of 'empowered woman'. Grow up.

I will let him defend himself, but purely from a debating standpoint, his emphasis was always on strengthening the relationship between partners, by any means necessary.

That approach makes much more sense than the antagonistic attitude some folks are adopting here. You have to prove why this festival is bad for the society, with working examples, instead of going off on a tirade against those with a difference of opinion or attacking those who have a different take on this festival.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

HAHA

Another twist: if one partner in a gay or lesbian couple would like to fast for the 'longevity" of the other, would that still be categorized as inequality?

First lets determine which should keep the fast in a homosexual couple (especially two men), then we can discuss if it is unfair on them.